Article: Jedd Fisch Is Gone.

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

I know we had two late 3-and-outs vs UVA in the 4th. ONE of those 3-and-outs was a result of running the ball 3 consecutive plays.

1st-10, MIAF47 4:19 M. James rushed to the left for 6 yard gain
2nd-4, UVA47 4:13 M. James rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss
3rd-6, UVA49 4:00 D. Johnson rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain

And we ALSO ran the ball once in the other 3-and-out:

1st-10, UVA41 5:33 S. Morris incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, UVA41 5:22 D. Johnson rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
3rd-7, UVA38 5:20 S. Morris incomplete pass to the left


SO....we ran the ball 4 out of 6 times in 2 drives.

And it factored heavily into the loss. Fisch picked a bad time to get overly conservative given how awful our defense was playing. Otherwise I was largely a fan of Fisch's play calling this season.

I was fine with the play calling all around.

We'd been running the ball well, averaging big yards on the ground vs. UVa. Even if you take Duke's 52-yard TD out of the equation, we still averaged nearly 6 yds per carry. So running the ball late in the game was not a bad thing.

IMO, about the only thing you might be able to fault Fisch for is that he ran the hurry-up at a time when we needed to milk the clock. In that one 3-and-out listed above, we ran the ball 3 consecutive plays within 19 seconds. We had the lead; we needed to take as much time as possible, but we ended up holding onto it for just a little over a minute.

That said, the hurry-up was working for us throughout the game, and it was Fisch's game-plan pretty much all season long, so it's not like he did something out of the ordinary.

I'll start doin my own research so this doesn't happen again. In the first series throwing on 1st down was the error that ****ed me off. In the second drive we ran it three str8 times yes. I can't recall what the actual playcalls/formations were though, James up the middle doesn't really tell the whole story. The formation or way they ran it may be where my frustration came if it was a delay outta the gun that's probably why I remember it being stupid. Looking at the play by play I was also aggravated we didn't throw on 3rd down. I hold myself accountable for misremembering why I thought Fisch had a brainfart at the end of the game but, regardless he did **** the bed in those two series no matter how you want to spin it.

So yea my gripes were, throwing on 1st down/2 of 3 plays when we should have been burning clock in the first series and then being conservative (possibly too cute/tricky if we didn't run from the I with a lead blocker) by not throwing once we found ourselves in 3rd and 6 probably is what got me goin in the second series.

Again my mistake not running didn't give UVA a chance to beat us in Charlottesville, still think those series could have been handled much better.

Could he have called it better down the stretch in the last few minutes? Maybe. But hindsight is always 20/20. You can say he should have passed on 3rd and 6, but then we had been averaging about 7.5 yards a carry throughout the game, so the odds were in our favor.

My point is these feelings I'm expressing aren't hindsight thoughts. I cursed Fisch when Morris dropped back on 1st down, not when it went incomplete, and after the second down run cause I knew he would have to throw on 3rd. Then the next drive I applauded the 1st down carry, can't say for sure how I felt about the second down call, and then was like WTF!!!!! when he ran it on 3rd and 6. He is too concerned with trying to out smart a defense with the call instead of executing what we do best. He constantly tries to make the unexpected call regardless of how the team is performing.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

Before anyone jumps on me about the UNC game. Morris actually completed a pass to Dorsett before he threw the helmet bounce screen int to Mike James. I'll be honest my main gripe with Fisch is he throws way too much on first down and doesn't appear to have a consistent plan of attack. His game plans differ greatly from game to game and I feel like it makes our offense less consistent. No one talks about him jumping into odd formations that may contribute to illegal formation/procedure and false starts. How much he runs may not be the issue as much as when he decides to do it. Trying to make a concise argument in response to random posts without looking back on the facts is not the way to go about winning a debate and of this I am guilty.

Either way I watched the games the last two seasons and I know that I spent a lot of time questioning what Fisch was trying to accomplish. If you sat next to me during a game you would find it way more difficult to disagree with me. When I have the facts I make more sense. While I didn't love Fisch I have expressed that I think losing him is more likely to hurt the offense than help it and also may affect our recruiting.

That being said I still feel like Jedd's style was not the best for this team. If we bring in the right guy the offense will be able to score quickly when needed, control the clock if we have to, and operate more efficiently. Whether you believe that or not is your own opinion.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

And it factored heavily into the loss. Fisch picked a bad time to get overly conservative given how awful our defense was playing. Otherwise I was largely a fan of Fisch's play calling this season.

I was fine with the play calling all around.

We'd been running the ball well, averaging big yards on the ground vs. UVa. Even if you take Duke's 52-yard TD out of the equation, we still averaged nearly 6 yds per carry. So running the ball late in the game was not a bad thing.

IMO, about the only thing you might be able to fault Fisch for is that he ran the hurry-up at a time when we needed to milk the clock. In that one 3-and-out listed above, we ran the ball 3 consecutive plays within 19 seconds. We had the lead; we needed to take as much time as possible, but we ended up holding onto it for just a little over a minute.

That said, the hurry-up was working for us throughout the game, and it was Fisch's game-plan pretty much all season long, so it's not like he did something out of the ordinary.

I'll start doin my own research so this doesn't happen again. In the first series throwing on 1st down was the error that ****ed me off. In the second drive we ran it three str8 times yes. I can't recall what the actual playcalls/formations were though, James up the middle doesn't really tell the whole story. The formation or way they ran it may be where my frustration came if it was a delay outta the gun that's probably why I remember it being stupid. Looking at the play by play I was also aggravated we didn't throw on 3rd down. I hold myself accountable for misremembering why I thought Fisch had a brainfart at the end of the game but, regardless he did **** the bed in those two series no matter how you want to spin it.

So yea my gripes were, throwing on 1st down/2 of 3 plays when we should have been burning clock in the first series and then being conservative (possibly too cute/tricky if we didn't run from the I with a lead blocker) by not throwing once we found ourselves in 3rd and 6 probably is what got me goin in the second series.

Again my mistake not running didn't give UVA a chance to beat us in Charlottesville, still think those series could have been handled much better.

Could he have called it better down the stretch in the last few minutes? Maybe. But hindsight is always 20/20. You can say he should have passed on 3rd and 6, but then we had been averaging about 7.5 yards a carry throughout the game, so the odds were in our favor.

My point is these feelings I'm expressing aren't hindsight thoughts. I cursed Fisch when Morris dropped back on 1st down, not when it went incomplete, and after the second down run cause I knew he would have to throw on 3rd. Then the next drive I applauded the 1st down carry, can't say for sure how I felt about the second down call, and then was like WTF!!!!! when he ran it on 3rd and 6. He is too concerned with trying to out smart a defense with the call instead of executing what we do best. He constantly tries to make the unexpected call regardless of how the team is performing.

Just seems like you're really nit-picking, or like you already made up your mind about Fisch before you looked at the facts of the game.

Again, we were averaging 7.5 yds per carry. I have no problem (either in hindsight or at the time) with his decision to run on 3rd and 6 when we have the lead and 4 minutes on the clock. Even if we don't make it, it's better than an incomplete pass, because it allows more time to run off the clock. It's a smart play call, period.

Fish's style was perfect for this team, IMO. Good god, Morris put up great numbers and Duke and James were beasts. The only thing holding us back was inexperience. Fisch's play calling was not a problem.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

^ running the ball on 3rd and 6 (actually I thought it was 3rd and 7) with 4 minutes still on the clock was the worst call Fisch made all season. He put the game in the hands of our defense with that call, which was essentially waving the white flag. Our defense couldn't stop UVA when they only had 3 downs. What the **** did he think was going to happen when they had 4 downs to work with?

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

I was fine with the play calling all around.

We'd been running the ball well, averaging big yards on the ground vs. UVa. Even if you take Duke's 52-yard TD out of the equation, we still averaged nearly 6 yds per carry. So running the ball late in the game was not a bad thing.

IMO, about the only thing you might be able to fault Fisch for is that he ran the hurry-up at a time when we needed to milk the clock. In that one 3-and-out listed above, we ran the ball 3 consecutive plays within 19 seconds. We had the lead; we needed to take as much time as possible, but we ended up holding onto it for just a little over a minute.

That said, the hurry-up was working for us throughout the game, and it was Fisch's game-plan pretty much all season long, so it's not like he did something out of the ordinary.

I'll start doin my own research so this doesn't happen again. In the first series throwing on 1st down was the error that ****ed me off. In the second drive we ran it three str8 times yes. I can't recall what the actual playcalls/formations were though, James up the middle doesn't really tell the whole story. The formation or way they ran it may be where my frustration came if it was a delay outta the gun that's probably why I remember it being stupid. Looking at the play by play I was also aggravated we didn't throw on 3rd down. I hold myself accountable for misremembering why I thought Fisch had a brainfart at the end of the game but, regardless he did **** the bed in those two series no matter how you want to spin it.

So yea my gripes were, throwing on 1st down/2 of 3 plays when we should have been burning clock in the first series and then being conservative (possibly too cute/tricky if we didn't run from the I with a lead blocker) by not throwing once we found ourselves in 3rd and 6 probably is what got me goin in the second series.

Again my mistake not running didn't give UVA a chance to beat us in Charlottesville, still think those series could have been handled much better.

Could he have called it better down the stretch in the last few minutes? Maybe. But hindsight is always 20/20. You can say he should have passed on 3rd and 6, but then we had been averaging about 7.5 yards a carry throughout the game, so the odds were in our favor.

My point is these feelings I'm expressing aren't hindsight thoughts. I cursed Fisch when Morris dropped back on 1st down, not when it went incomplete, and after the second down run cause I knew he would have to throw on 3rd. Then the next drive I applauded the 1st down carry, can't say for sure how I felt about the second down call, and then was like WTF!!!!! when he ran it on 3rd and 6. He is too concerned with trying to out smart a defense with the call instead of executing what we do best. He constantly tries to make the unexpected call regardless of how the team is performing.

Just seems like you're really nit-picking, or like you already made up your mind about Fisch before you looked at the facts of the game.

Again, we were averaging 7.5 yds per carry. I have no problem (either in hindsight or at the time) with his decision to run on 3rd and 6 when we have the lead and 4 minutes on the clock. Even if we don't make it, it's better than an incomplete pass, because it allows more time to run off the clock. It's a smart play call, period.

Fish's style was perfect for this team, IMO. Good god, Morris put up great numbers and Duke and James were beasts. The only thing holding us back was inexperience. Fisch's play calling was not a problem.

As I said just after that post or porst if that's how you feel. Throwing way too much on 1st down. Not having a bread and butter run style. Sometimes we sweep other times we delay, or I, or single back. Never with any clear purpose. Calls seem to come out of a hat just cause he thinks the defense they might be in has a weakness to it. These are my problems with Fisch.

For example, I felt like Fisch never set up the run to the edge, you do that by pounding inside and getting the ends to pinch and the LBs to step up crash the A's, over play the interior run. Then you bust em outside from a similar formation. I never got the impression he set plays up. He preferred to use his formation to create a weakness rather than the success of the previous play. He might set the pass up with the run but, it never seemed like he was playing within a formation to cause the D to fall into any habit for defending that particular set. I can't describe it any other way. I would be watching the game and think to myself alright bust inside two more times and they'll be ripe and then here comes a PA pass to the TE into coverage that wasn't there yet, a sweep to the short side, or a bubble screen that was well defended, or the worst of all some trick play that we have no business running til we are up 3 TDs or struggling.

I can't argue with the points we put up in most games, the D did cause us to lose most often. Still when I watch Fisch I don't like his style. I think the talent does a lot to make his offense look nice but, in the end he's left holding the bag for their shortcomings.

 

[RohanMotor]

I look at this as a +! We all knew that he would be leaving. Now who ever Golden brings in will be here, hopefully, for at least a few years. Therefore, Olsen can learn the system and grow on it.

I would rather Jebb leave now instead of next year, or worse 2 years from now and have Olsen under a new system in his Soph or Junior year.

Is this to much simply logic for this board? Why doesn't anyone see this? We all know Golden is going to get an OC that is competent, if not great, and with our talent, we are going to be good!

Our fans need to understand that this is Golden's system not Jedd's. Jedd was hired to install an offense for Golden. The next that's hired will come in and come up to speed with the new system so the entire offensive roster doesn't have to learn the new system. In today's coaching world you have to set it up this way. Coaches will come and go but the system will stay the same.

Golden is sharp. Quit thinking just because someone leaves it means we go back to square one on implementing new systems.

Pick six, thanks for the education. I did not know that.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

I look at this as a +! We all knew that he would be leaving. Now who ever Golden brings in will be here, hopefully, for at least a few years. Therefore, Olsen can learn the system and grow on it.

I would rather Jebb leave now instead of next year, or worse 2 years from now and have Olsen under a new system in his Soph or Junior year.

Is this to much simply logic for this board? Why doesn't anyone see this? We all know Golden is going to get an OC that is competent, if not great, and with our talent, we are going to be good!

Our fans need to understand that this is Golden's system not Jedd's. Jedd was hired to install an offense for Golden. The next that's hired will come in and come up to speed with the new system so the entire offensive roster doesn't have to learn the new system. In today's coaching world you have to set it up this way. Coaches will come and go but the system will stay the same.

Golden is sharp. Quit thinking just because someone leaves it means we go back to square one on implementing new systems.

Pick six, thanks for the education. I did not know that.

I was unaware the system was all Al's doesn't change my opinion on Fisch but, does give me hope the next guy who steps in will be able to hit the ground running and the offense won't suffer.

 

[The Franchise]

I look at this as a +! We all knew that he would be leaving. Now who ever Golden brings in will be here, hopefully, for at least a few years. Therefore, Olsen can learn the system and grow on it.

I would rather Jebb leave now instead of next year, or worse 2 years from now and have Olsen under a new system in his Soph or Junior year.

Is this to much simply logic for this board? Why doesn't anyone see this? We all know Golden is going to get an OC that is competent, if not great, and with our talent, we are going to be good!

Our fans need to understand that this is Golden's system not Jedd's. Jedd was hired to install an offense for Golden. The next that's hired will come in and come up to speed with the new system so the entire offensive roster doesn't have to learn the new system. In today's coaching world you have to set it up this way. Coaches will come and go but the system will stay the same.

Golden is sharp. Quit thinking just because someone leaves it means we go back to square one on implementing new systems.

Pick six, thanks for the education. I did not know that.

I was unaware the system was all Al's doesn't change my opinion on Fisch but, does give me hope the next guy who steps in will be able to hit the ground running and the offense won't suffer.

That system wasn't all Al's.

 

[nadiamufdi]

Pretty sure Al....and Jedd developed a system that they felt would work best with our personnel