Arrest made in Carson Beck auto theft case

[grover]

Let's be clear. I'm saying "I have no sympathy" and that I believe he should get the max FOR HIS CRIME. I'm not saying "go to jail for life" without taking anything into account.

But this quickly went beyond "steals a Lambo" when he went inside the house. Let's not forget the "king/castle" doctrine. I may joke sometimes, but if Beck's arm isn't in a sling and he pulled a gun and shot that kid dead, he would have been well within his rights. Which is why ANYONE, even an 18 year old knucklehead, needs to draw the line at "entering the house".

I don't want the kid dead, I don't want him in jail forever, but entering the house puts him in my "max sentence" zone for car theft. Sorry, that's just where I stand on this. I knew multiple people, including myself (when we were at UM Law in the 1990s), who lived in CORAL GABLES and were burglarized in their homes. It's horrifying and life-threatening (for both parties). I have no problems elevating the punishment when it involves entering someone's house late at night.

You replied to a post which ended: "but lock him up and throw away the key is crazy" by writing "**** that bull****". That was what I reacted to. Perhaps I misunderstood your comment. But IMO stealing and breaking & entry still doesn't merit throwing away the key.

 

[Calinative]

Super easy to steal modern day cars with the apps they have. You can buy the equipment to do it on Amazon. Super easy

My city was the capital of car stealing in the 90’s

Depends on what modern day car you're talking about. Tesla is the most modern day vehicle and basically fully unstealable except by literally towing it away, and even if you did it's fully trackable and you can stop the vehicle from your phone.

But also sounds like they literally just opened the car hit the garage door opener then got in the house and actually got the keys. Wouldn't be surprised if there was someone who ripped them off where the keys would be or something...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You replied to a post which ended: "but lock him up and throw away the key is crazy" by writing "**** that bull****". That was what I reacted to. Perhaps I misunderstood your comment. But IMO stealing and breaking & entry still doesn't merit throwing away the key.

You are accurate. My frustration was more about the earlier statement, about how he "just stole some cars". I should have been more precise in my response, I was certainly unclear on that bit. Appreciate the dialogue.

 

[grover]

You are accurate. My frustration was more about the earlier statement, about how he "just stole some cars". I should have been more precise in my response, I was certainly unclear on that bit. Appreciate the dialogue.

Appreciate you, TOC.

 

[Cajuncane]

You replied to a post which ended: "but lock him up and throw away the key is crazy" by writing "**** that bull****". That was what I reacted to. Perhaps I misunderstood your comment. But IMO stealing and breaking & entry still doesn't merit throwing away the key.

how about throwing away the "FOB"....

 

[passitback]

Yup and if you don’t hold him accountable, no telling what the next crime will be. lock him up.

Depending on where you reside, the felon may (or may not) be locked up.

Some municipalities prosecute crimes to the full extent of the law. Others, like NYC, let criminals loose.

Is what it is. Strange world we reside in.

 

[ssvir]

What planet do you reside on?

I pay for insurance (with my money) to help recuperate monies lost in the event of damages, losses, etc. Maybe you don't. But I certainly do. That is the entire point of having an insurance policy.

What I/you/we/he/she/they/it need insurance for is irrelevant. It is an important financial tool, and hopefully tools like you have some.

You really don't understand that you pay higher insurance premiums for everything (home, auto, health) b/c of fraud and theft? #Wow

 

[passitback]

Again.

Having "no faith" in police, DAs, and judges, when the voters do not approve the resources for those people to do their jobs in an ever-increasing population zone, is just denial.

And again. Bail has very little to do with this situation. At a certain level, it is EASY to make bail (particularly for people who make "careers" out of criminality).

If the "masses aren't trying to hear it", then the masses are just ostriches with their heads in the sand. If you want a Judge-Dredd-style judge/jury/executioner system, well, that's not what we currently have. We can't just "demand" that people "get all the criminals off the streets" unless and until we hire more police, DAs, PDs, and judges. And build the buildings. Because we **** sure know that we have private enterprise lined up to INCARCERATE people at a profit.

There's no "mockery" going on. Only underfunding. Until someone invents Robocop, this is the reality of what we have.

This is a very simple thing for ordinary folks like me. Criminals break the law, they should go to jail. When a cop arrests a criminal, the DA should prosecute the case, and the judge should lock the criminal up. I am all for bail, very high bail, depending on the severity of the crime. This idea that one is innocent until proven guilty is a crock of ****, lol.

Just lock the scumbags up in cages and society will be a better, safer place.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Depends on what modern day car you're talking about. Tesla is the most modern day vehicle and basically fully unstealable except by literally towing it away, and even if you did it's fully trackable and you can stop the vehicle from your phone.

But also sounds like they literally just opened the car hit the garage door opener then got in the house and actually got the keys. Wouldn't be surprised if there was someone who ripped them off where the keys would be or something...

They do have a master key as well and a program that resets the car and wipes the vin # and all. All those things are changeable, Idk about Tesla though tbh. But I always say anything can be taken away eventually.

 

[dycane]

Beck is a moron. But I guess most of these new money millionaire kids are. Buy a truck.

 

[305 MOUNTAIN MAN]

Beck is a moron. But I guess most of these new money millionaire kids are. Buy a truck.

It’s going to be interesting. Let’s track all these kids since NIL, let’s see how many go broke, don’t graduate from college and never make the pros. I am going to go out on a limb here and say, a large percentage of them.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This is a very simple thing for ordinary folks like me. Criminals break the law, they should go to jail. When a cop arrests a criminal, the DA should prosecute the case, and the judge should lock the criminal up. I am all for bail, very high bail, depending on the severity of the crime. This idea that one is innocent until proven guilty is a crock of ****, lol.

Just lock the scumbags up in cages and society will be a better, safer place.

And yet, it is one of the crocks of **** upon which this country was founded.

So...I don't know...

And...again...I would like to know what happens when there is insufficient funding for the DAs and judges (and even the cops) to do their jobs to the level required for an ever-increasing population.

These things don't just happen magically or in a vacuum. If you want cops and DAs and PDs and judges to "do their jobs", then we have to pay for it. "Justice" isn't a non-profit charity.

And "locking the scumbags up in cages" was tried previously, until our Founding Fathers determined that it wasn't such a hot idea.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Cam McCormick had it right. I’m sure he wasn’t raking in NIL money but if I could still be in college forever free, getting my housing and meals and pretty much everything covered, I’d be there now still. **** working

you forgot thee most important benefit *****

 

[Felonious Monk]

Beck is a moron. But I guess most of these new money millionaire kids are. Buy a truck.

Is a truck more difficult to steal?

 

[Cane4life18]

Yup and if you don’t hold him accountable, no telling what the next crime will be. lock him up.

I'm fine with the locking him up part, but the throw away the key part(life sentence) is what I vehemently disagree with.

 

[AtlAtty]

Just for a little context, the young men (more than one car stolen had to mean multiple perpetrators) will be charged with theft of the vehicles, but also a burglary. A burglary (at least in Georgia law) is when you enter a home without permission for the purpose of committing a theft or felony therein. It is the burglary charge which is likely to result in prison time.

Auto thefts for young and/or first time offenders rarely result in prison time as we simply don’t have enough prison space and we do not want to pay the taxes to build more prisons and warehouse more people. Not to mention the fact that as a prosecutor, you can’t take an auto thefts to trial because there are only 52 weeks in a year and the judge to which you are assigned has too many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies to have trials for auto thefts. That same judge also has civil cases and domestic cases so as a prosecutor, you typically get 15-20 weeks a year at most for trials. The average felony trial takes a week to pick a jury, have a trial and get a verdict. That means you can have 15-2- criminal trials per year. My judges always had at least that many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies that needed trial weeks, so as a prosecutor, you work out probation for first time property crimes.

Which brings us to the burglary. Burglaries can and will result in prison time because jurors will convict a person for burglary because they don’t want someone breaking into their home. And judges will sentence to prison time for burglary for the same reason. As a DA you can take a burglary to trial and win.

My guess as to sentences is:
First time offender; 2-5 years in prison followed by probation for a total sentence of 10 years.
Prior felony history; 5 years in prison followed by a lengthy probation.

And before you scream about probation, the courts put people on probation because revoking a probation and sentencing someone to prison is easier and quicker than a jury trial. And, you maybe shocked, many people do turn their lives around. Men do not have fully formed Frontal Lobes (think emotional break pads) until we are about 25 years old. Which is why we do so much impulsive stuff before the age of 25 (and why the military drafts at 18 years old when you can still convince someone to run into gunfire). Most people age out of their crimes by 25. And if they don’t, the sentences become longer and longer.

 

[mirvin88]

Just for a little context, the young men (more than one car stolen had to mean multiple perpetrators) will be charged with theft of the vehicles, but also a burglary. A burglary (at least in Georgia law) is when you enter a home without permission for the purpose of committing a theft or felony therein. It is the burglary charge which is likely to result in prison time.

Auto thefts for young and/or first time offenders rarely result in prison time as we simply don’t have enough prison space and we do not want to pay the taxes to build more prisons and warehouse more people. Not to mention the fact that as a prosecutor, you can’t take an auto thefts to trial because there are only 52 weeks in a year and the judge to which you are assigned has too many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies to have trials for auto thefts. That same judge also has civil cases and domestic cases so as a prosecutor, you typically get 15-20 weeks a year at most for trials. The average felony trial takes a week to pick a jury, have a trial and get a verdict. That means you can have 15-2- criminal trials per year. My judges always had at least that many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies that needed trial weeks, so as a prosecutor, you work out probation for first time property crimes.

Which brings us to the burglary. Burglaries can and will result in prison time because jurors will convict a person for burglary because they don’t want someone breaking into their home. And judges will sentence to prison time for burglary for the same reason. As a DA you can take a burglary to trial and win.

My guess as to sentences is:
First time offender; 2-5 years in prison followed by probation for a total sentence of 10 years.
Prior felony history; 5 years in prison followed by a lengthy probation.

And before you scream about probation, the courts put people on probation because revoking a probation and sentencing someone to prison is easier and quicker than a jury trial. And, you maybe shocked, many people do turn their lives around. Men do not have fully formed Frontal Lobes (think emotional break pads) until we are about 25 years old. Which is why we do so much impulsive stuff before the age of 25 (and why the military drafts at 18 years old when you can still convince someone to run into gunfire). Most people age out of their crimes by 25. And if they don’t, the sentences become longer and longer.

 

[San Amaro Dr]

Beck is a moron. But I guess most of these new money millionaire kids are. Buy a truck.

You’re assuming these kids are buying these cars? They aren’t lol.

 

[passitback]

And yet, it is one of the crocks of **** upon which this country was founded.

So...I don't know...

And...again...I would like to know what happens when there is insufficient funding for the DAs and judges (and even the cops) to do their jobs to the level required for an ever-increasing population.

These things don't just happen magically or in a vacuum. If you want cops and DAs and PDs and judges to "do their jobs", then we have to pay for it. "Justice" isn't a non-profit charity.

And "locking the scumbags up in cages" was tried previously, until our Founding Fathers determined that it wasn't such a hot idea.


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Counselor, there is a lot of truth to what I said about it being a crock of ****.

The quality of life in NYC simply isn't what it used to be. Your words don't change the reality of the situation. Much of it is the result of criminals running amuck. Many used to be locked up for breaking the law, but this isn't happening as often these days. I don't believe it is because of money or resources. There are others reasons these things happen in NYC.