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He put a good hit on a running back that slipped. Let's relax before we commence with bj's. Wish him the best, but slow down.
 
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It's still early, but looks like a whole boatload of crow will be eaten on this board.

Tons of gurus swore he would never play LB b/c he was not suited for it.
 
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so what is that now if we are keeping score...

I Great CFB hit
I great NFL hit..

Bosher had more hits than this clown....
 
He still made 2nd team all acc as a soph in 2010 so stop acting like he was horrible here.. His jr year he missed half the season with NCAA crap. But yes i agree he would have been an all american OLB here with Spence..
 
Dghustla, typically I don't descend on an individual sentence in a post like this, but your statement that "to prove to the NCAA we have changed our stance on compliance" does not reconcile well with the reality of what occurred. Perhaps I am mis-understanding your intent. In any case, institutionally, we have one of the best compliance departments in the country. Our compliance - as a university - was what it should have been. Think about it - the ncaa hired Paul Dee to run their show. Presumably, they at one time thought we were doing things by the numbers. What happened - and most here already know - was that a few rogue employees acting on their own broke rules and did so without the knowledge of our compliance department, our senior administrators, or even our then head coach (Shannon), which is why the whole "loss of institutional control" is such a slap in the face. Mind you that of the initial avalanche of alleged wrong doing they have only been able to substantiate a few of the minor claims though it appears they might try to hold us accountable for claims they have not been able to substantiate, which is why as SFBAYCANE mentioned in a post in this forum recently that an army of attorneys has previously been convened at UM to discuss our options in responding to the ncaa when they do finally hand down their ruling. Assuming it can be substantiated, as I see it, the athletic department and administration colluding to cover their tracks of the wrong doings at Penn State is a textbook example of loss of institutional control for all the obvious reasons.

Canes as far as Ray Ray is concerned, I'm not even sure if going out to eat and spending an evening with his girlfriend at a hotel is in fact an award or extra benefit - even if she did pay. (See here [http://www.hurricanesports.com/pdf9/1804185.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=28700] for the NCAA official definition of an extra benefit.) If somehow it had been then I imagine that it would have been reported as a minor transgression with the anticipation of our compliance department of receiving an equally minor penalty, perhaps warning, from the NCAA. However, Ray Ray lying about his night out in the midst of an ongoing investigation of which he was a part increased exponentially the severity of his later lying about it. This leads me to believe that Ray Ray was dismissed because of his combined acts of poor judgment; the final straw being that he lied to the university and to Coach Golden. Also, his girlfriend being a promoter is eyebrow raising but would be incidental to receiving an extra benefit, again if it was an extra benefit. What she could not be in taking him to dinner or paying for a hotel room - as I interpret the rule (again see the NCAA definition above) - is an employee of the university or a booster of our program.

Dghustla said:
Ray Ray was given soo many chances here but he refuse to buy into Golden and didn't take Golden seriously. He thought he was too good to be dismissed from the team. Al Golden didn't want to boot Ray Ray, look at how many chances Seantrell has gotten. If Ray Ray would have kept his nose cleaned from the NCAA mess he would have been able to stay on the team. Ppl saying the university was looking for a reason to boot him is just silly talk. He was becoming a liability to our efforts to prove to the NCAA we have changed our stance on compliance.
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nystateofmind said:
Newkirk said:
nystateofmind said:
NVA CANE said:
dycane said:
I don't feel sorry for Ray, other than the general sympathy I have for any kid that had to play for Randy. How illuminating that the Razerbacks' linebackers coach decided that Ray's best position was safety. Lulz.
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The guy has been in and around football for most of his life, played/coached with some top coaches and was part of those great canes teams. How in gods name can you fail with that kind of history? That man should never be in charge of a **** thing that has to do with football.
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And some people wanted to give him another year. Lol.
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I'd like to see actual proof of this. I mean, do these people really exist?
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Some posters on Scout were saying we cut ties too soon, we should've given him one more shot with the '08 class, etc. I'm not sure the threads are still up but you can go search if you'd like.
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This is true.
 
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Hey we always said to make sure the best players were on the field... He was under RS for 2 years... We had some talented linebackers in 09 with Sharpton, Spence and Cmac... He wasn't better than any of them as a freshman... And lets not forget Arthur Brown was our top reserve... 2010 Arthur Brown was slated to start at MLB but he didn't return Cmac and Spence was our linebackers and Buchanon was promoted to first team... No matter what we kept the guy on the field and a lot of times we played him close to the line... As a freshman he rarely played in coverage and was used like a 4th linebacker... As a sophomore he improved in coverage but still played close to the line... He had 80 tackles as a sophomore that's more than anyone had totaled last year... He wasn't bad here we just killed him for not being ST...

That being said, Golden thought he was a safety as well... I mean Golden has shown no issue with converting players... Cornelius to safety then back to lb; Cain to DE after being a MLB to outside lb to DE, Perry and Dye to TE; he even wanted L. Robinson on the oline... I think Ray was a good safety... He was better in run support than coverage, I just feel he never had the opportunity to develop because of the suspensions... He wasn't out of place because we had players better than him at linebacker in 09 & 2010... I'm happy he's doing well...
 
jandman514 said:
He still made 2nd team all acc as a soph in 2010 so stop acting like he was horrible here.. His jr year he missed half the season with NCAA crap. But yes i agree he would have been an all american OLB here with Spence..
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This is what I don't get... We haven't seen production like that from any of our safeties since he did it in 09... After missing a number of games on 2011 he still came back and gave us 30 tackles and a pick... He was far from horrible... We can use an all-acc selection right now...
 
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AllAboutTheU said:
nystateofmind said:
Newkirk said:
nystateofmind said:
NVA CANE said:
The guy has been in and around football for most of his life, played/coached with some top coaches and was part of those great canes teams. How in gods name can you fail with that kind of history? That man should never be in charge of a **** thing that has to do with football.
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And some people wanted to give him another year. Lol.
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I'd like to see actual proof of this. I mean, do these people really exist?
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Some posters on Scout were saying we cut ties too soon, we should've given him one more shot with the '08 class, etc. I'm not sure the threads are still up but you can go search if you'd like.
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This is true.
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I only saw 2 posters say that. Playthefreshmen and jaxsonville cane or something like that. That's 2 people. Everyone else seems to think he deserved to get fired.
 
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