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Allan Haye Jr HL ('21 DT)

Cane4life18 said:
I rarely throw out the word elite but his ability to shed and disengage with blockers is exactly that, elite. Hayes also displays good ball awareness and good gap discipline as he's rarely moved out of his responsibility (gap). Good initial burst from his stance hints to him being explosive for his size. I like. Have we offered @DMoney?
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Yes, we’ve offered.
 
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DMoney said:
Yeah, LCE's been on him for a year.

I just posted because Haye put out an updated HL yesterday.
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What's the disadvantage of a shorter DT? That they cant get hands up to bat down passes? Most of the time DTs dont swat down passes anyways unless they enjoy getting punched in the stomach. Seems that there would also be advantages to short DTs in that it would be harder for the OL to get leverage and a lower center of gravity.
 
gogeta4 said:
Played against him this year. He impressed me....had a point in the game where he made 3 straight plays to kill a drive. He seems closer to 6'2 when i saw him. He carries his weight pretty good...and chaminade does a good job in the weight room
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Their head coach has done a good job with them in years past. We need a big group from them this year.
 
TimeB0mb said:
What's the disadvantage of a shorter DT? That they cant get hands up to bat down passes? Most of the time DTs dont swat down passes anyways unless they enjoy getting punched in the stomach. Seems that there would also be advantages to short DTs in that it would be harder for the OL to get leverage and a lower center of gravity.
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The bigger a DT is, the more space he occupies across the line. Smaller DTs can get swallowed up which leads to big gaps. There is a reason the NFL and bigger schools typically have big, war daddy DTs. There is a trade-off in leverage once you get in that 6’5 range which is why you rarely see Daryl Gardener and Marcus Stroud-types.

Smaller DTs like Grady Jarrett can still be successful if they are great athletes.
 
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^ Smaller DTs can get engulfed but also taller DL can see over the line and react to backfield action.

Brandon Williams is an example of a short DT who has the girth and skills to anchor and eat up space without getting engulfed. I think he led his team in tackles in college.

Haye can anchor and does a good job reacting to the ball and disengaging. I'd just like to see him make body contact more often when he tackles rather than lunging with his arms. That's where the lack of agility comes into play.
 
4 best Miami DTs - Brown, Sapp, Wilfork and Kennedy.

The tallest was only 6'2" (Brown), the shortest was maybe 6'1" (can't remember which one).

And once Wilfork gets in the HOF, we'll have more than ANY other college.

I'll take what's worked for us in the past - because it's worked better than ANY other school.

If this kid is 6'1" - 6'2" and can get it done, then that sounds plenty good to me.
 
jkaz1 said:
4 best Miami DTs - Brown, Sapp, Wilfork and Kennedy.

The tallest was only 6'2" (Brown), the shortest was maybe 6'1" (can't remember which one).

And once Wilfork gets in the HOF, we'll have more than ANY other college.

I'll take what's worked for us in the past - because it's worked better than ANY other school.

If this kid is 6'1" - 6'2" and can get it done, then that sounds plenty good to me.
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Maryland has some to say about that
 
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jkaz1 said:
4 best Miami DTs - Brown, Sapp, Wilfork and Kennedy.

The tallest was only 6'2" (Brown), the shortest was maybe 6'1" (can't remember which one).

And once Wilfork gets in the HOF, we'll have more than ANY other college.

I'll take what's worked for us in the past - because it's worked better than ANY other school.

If this kid is 6'1" - 6'2" and can get it done, then that sounds plenty good to me.
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You forgot Russell Maryland - 2 time all american and Outland Trophy winner. And to your point - he was 6’1
 
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jkaz1 said:
I've already chatted about this above.
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Good. But I’m chatting about it again, for all the guys who only read the last couple posts. And I’m still salty they didn’t offer Clyde Pinder who committed to UNC and stayed loyal even tho bigger offers came in at the end. Kid wanted a UM offer.
 
TimeB0mb said:
What's the disadvantage of a shorter DT? That they cant get hands up to bat down passes? Most of the time DTs dont swat down passes anyways unless they enjoy getting punched in the stomach. Seems that there would also be advantages to short DTs in that it would be harder for the OL to get leverage and a lower center of gravity.
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A player I would like Miami to recruit is 2021 NT/DT Nicholas Barrett out of North Carolina at 6'4" 330lbs with a massive wing span that use to his advantage.


Go Canes
 
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DancingBear said:
He looks and plays like Warren Sapp.The best and most dominating defensive tackle we have ever had.
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When Sapp came to the U he was an undersized TE, listed at 6'1" and 230 or so. That was as a college freshman.

Our coaching staff was looking to Dwayne Johnson as the freshman who provided badly needed depth from the '90 freshman class.

I don't know when the staff got the idea to make Sapp a DT. I spoke to the DL coach Bob Karmelowicz in May '90 during his recruiting trip in the NY-NJ area. We discussed Dwayne in context of our DL needs that coming fall. Sapp's name never came up. That might suggest the staff only got the idea to make Sapp a DT after he arrived at UM.

I know that successive staffs had the idea to switch Darren Krein to DE when they recruited him (he was a LB in HS). They never told Darren. It was Jimmy's staff that started that. Did they lie?

I won't answer the question because I don't know all the details. Just heard it 3rd or 4th hand but I believe it to be reliable information.
 
HighSeas said:
^ Smaller DTs can get engulfed but also taller DL can see over the line and react to backfield action.

Brandon Williams is an example of a short DT who has the girth and skills to anchor and eat up space without getting engulfed. I think he led his team in tackles in college.

Haye can anchor and does a good job reacting to the ball and disengaging. I'd just like to see him make body contact more often when he tackles rather than lunging with his arms. That's where the lack of agility comes into play.
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49.5 tackles for loss in college. Averaging 12.3 TFL during his 4 year college career. I think he had a medical RS his sophomore year because of a disc injury. 12.3 TFL
DMoney said:
Really impressive. He's not huge (6'1, 296 as a sophomore), but he has natural strength and is much more dynamic than your classic nose tackle.

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I really like his film. He jumps out on the screen. I really hope we make him a priority. He's at a school that is pro UM.
 
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