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Southern Oz said:
I know I should add some string constructive, but I am confused by the title of this thread.
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Added the string for you bro. Lmk if you need more.
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Facts. Posted this in the senior bowl thread. But this is the better thread for the 2024 talent discussion. We went from 3 drafted last year to most likely 5 drafted this year to around 9 drafted in next year. One of whom is our starting QB. Meanwhile we just had our second Top 10 class. There won’t be another team we play with that much talent including FSU.

This 8-5 talk is nonsense. We’re not Bama or UGA yet (and Bama is no longer Bama). But we’re definitely better than our comp at this point. Hopefully we grab one or more of a WR1, a DT1 and a DB1in the portal to really put separation between us and our opponents talent wise.
 
Dwinstitles said:
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Siiiigh!! Macho, I fck w/ u, but y do u force me to put on my Black Air Force 1’s to respond to this nonsense?

I hate to break ur heart, but I’m going to painfully slap u, & others (including this YT clip) who continue this “talent acquisition” rhetoric for the past 20 yrs back to reality. Lol

Since 2004 our overall class rankings have been the following:
2004 - #3
2005 - #9
2006 - #12
2007 - #13
2008 - #1
2009 - #16
2010 - #12
2011 - #32
2012 - #10
2013 - #15
2014 - #12
2015 - #26
2016 - #22
2017 - #13
2018 - #8
2019 - #17
2020 - #11
2021 - #11
2022 - #13
2023 - #8
2024 - #6

For 21 cycles, 76% of classes have finished w/in the top 15 in the nation, 33% have finished w/in the top 10 in the nation.

Let’s look at the rest of ACC during this same period:

2004: FSU (1st), Maryland (16th), UNC (27th), VT (33rd), UVA (37th), NCSt (39th), Clemson (43rd), GT (47th), Duke (65th), & WF (99th)

2005: FSU (1st), Clemson (16th), UVA (17th), VT (20th), Maryland (21st), NCSt (28th), UNC (47th), BC (50th), Duke (54th), WF (63rd), & GT (66th)

2006: FSU (4th), Clemson (13th), UNC (25th), Maryland (26th), VT (30th), BC (34th), NCSt (46th), Duke (49th), GT (60th), WF (64th), & UVA (75th)


—-The Coker ACC era had the 2nd rated ACC classes from 2004-2006, w/ a sizable “on paper” talent advantage over the rest of the ACC sans FSU; yet, we went 14-10 in ACC play w/ 0 ACC crowns or Coastal Crowns—-

2007: UNC (10th), GT (15th), Clemson (16th), FSU (20th), VT (26th), UVA (29th), Maryland (32nd), BC (42nd), NCSt (46th), WF (66th), & Duke (72nd),

2008: Clemson (10th), FSU (13th), VT (20th), NCSt (22nd) UNC (28th), BC (37th), Maryland (39th), GT (49th), UVA (54th), WF (60th), & Duke (65th)

2009: UNC (11th), FSU (15th), VT (24th), Maryland (29th), UVA (34th), Clemson (35th), GT (38th), NCSt (45th), Duke (51st), WF (59th), & BC (62nd)

2010: FSU (8th), UNC (21st), Clemson (25th), VT (26th), NCSt (34th), Maryland (37th), GT (40th), BC (43rd), WF (59th), Duke (67th), & UVA (71st)

—-During the Shannon era, we had the 2nd, 1st, 3rd, & 2nd ranked ACC classes from 2007-10, w/ a sizable “on paper” talent advantage over the rest of the ACC sans UNC; yet, we went 16-16 in ACC play during this period w/ 0 ACC Crowns & 0 Coastal Crowns—-

2011: FSU (2nd), Clemson (10th), UNC (18th), UVA (23rd), BC (38th), UVA (34th), GT (42nd), Maryland (49th), Duke (62nd), WF (65th), & NCSt (69th)

2012: FSU (4th), Clemson (20th), VT (21st), UVA (25th), Maryland (37th), UNC (41st), NCst (52nd), GT (53rd), Duke (62nd), WF (66th), & BC (69th)

2013: FSU (11th), Clemson (14th), VT (21st) UNC (28th), UVA (29th), Pitt (33rd), Maryland (39th), NCSt (59th), WF (64th), GT (69th), Duke (70th), Cuse (73rd), BC (84th)

2014: FSU (4th), Clemson (15th), VT (28th), UNC (31st), UVA (3rd), NCSt (34th), Pitt (44th), UL (46th), BC (51st), Cuse (53rd), GT (54th), Duke (61st), & WF (66th)

2015: FSU (4th), Clemson (9th), UNC (28th), VT (30th), NCSt (31st), UL (33rd), GT (44th), UVA (46th), Pitt (47th), WF (51st) Duke (52nd), Cuse (57th), & BC (60th)

—-During The Golden/Scott (interim) era, we brought in the worst ACC class in 2011 (5th) in our history, followed by the 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, & 3rd ranked ACC classes. Even though this is our worst period of recruiting, once again, “on paper”, we had a sizable talent advantage sans FSU & Clemson during this time. To note, we only played Clemson once between 2011-2015; yet, we went 21-18 in ACC play with 0 ACC crowns & 0 ACC Coastal—-

2016: FSU (2nd), Clemson (11th), Pitt (31st), Duke (32nd), UNC (37th), UL (38th), VT (42nd), NCSt (50th), WF (58th), GT (61st), Cuse (62nd), UVA (63rd), & BC (78th)

2017: FSU (6th), Clemson (16th), VT (25th), UNC (30th), UL (34th) Pitt (37th), Duke (47th), GT (48th), Cuse (54th), NCSt (55th), UVA (59th), BC (67th), & WF (68th)

2018: Clemson (7th), FSU (11th), UNC (20th), VT (24th), NCSt (26th), UL (31st), GT (44th), Pitt (48th), Cuse (51st), UVA (59th), Duke (63rd), WF (64th), & BC (71st)

—-During the Richt era, by far our best era, we had the 3rd, 2nd, & 2nd ranked ACC recruiting classes. Even though this was our best era in the ACC resulting in 1 ACC Coastal Crown (0 ACC Crowns), we still went 16-8 in the ACC despite having the 3rd most talent “on paper” in the ACC by a sizable margin. The two teams who had more talent (FSU & Clemson) were in the cross-division, and we didn’t play Clemson once in the regular season during this era. —-

2019: Clemson (12th), FSU (19th), VT (27th), NCSt (28th), UNC (32nd), UVA (42nd), Cuse (50th), Duke (52nd), GT (54th), Pitt (57th), WF (59th), BC (66th), & UL (71st)

2020: Clemson (3rd), UNC (16th), FSU (21st), GT (28th), UVA (40th), Pitt (43rd), NCSt (44th), UL (45th), BC (55th), Duke (56th), VT (59th), Cuse (62nd), & WF (63rd)

2021: Clemson (5th), UNC (14th), FSU (21st), Pitt (32nd), UVA (37th), NCSt (38th), BC (40th), UL (41st), GT (43rd), VT (49th), Duke (59th), Cuse (64th), & WF (68th)

—-During the Diaz era, we had the 2nd best ACC recruiting class all 3 yrs. This was also our 2nd best ACC record in the last 21 yrs going 16-9. The only team that had a decided talent advantage than us was Clemson during this era, & we played them once in 2020. Once again, despite the talent advantage, this era brought us 0 ACC Crowns & 0 ACC Coastal Crowns.—-

2022: UNC (11th), Clemson (14th), FSU (19th), UL (35th), VT (43rd), GT (44th), BC (51st), Duke (61st), UVA (64th), Cuse (65th), Pitt (70th), NCSt (72nd), & WF (79th)

2023: Clemson (15th), FSU (16th), UL (24th), UNC (28th), VT (44th), NCSt (49th), Pitt (56th), BC (57th), GT (64th), UVA (65th), WF (67th), Duke (68th), Cuse (73rd)

—-Thus far in the Mario era, we’ve had the 2nd, 1st, & 1st ranked ACC classes by a pretty substantial margin, “on paper”; yet, we are now 6-10 in ACC play, with 0 ACC Crowns & 0 ACC Coastal Crowns (which is no longer an option). Despite out recruiting the ACC since his arrival by a wide margin, the results have not equated—-

2024 is a TBD; but, this little data sheet shows some in this fan base has selective memory, or have convinced themselves that all of sudden our talent is better than the rest of the ACC. We haven’t been just losing to the FSU’s & Clemson’s of the world, that would be understandable; we’re losing to the GTs, Dukes, ULs, UNCs, NCSts, Pitts, VTs, UVAs of the world, and the talent levels are NOT REMOTELY close.

So until I see something on the field, imma stop basking in the glory of another successful recruiting cycle & off season. I need to see something, b/c I’m frankly tired of celebrating from late December - August.
 
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Rellyrell said:
⚠️: Hazardous Response ‼️

Siiiigh!! Macho, I fck w/ u, but y do u force me to put on my Black Air Force 1’s to respond to this nonsense?

I hate to break ur heart, but I’m going to painfully slap u, & others (including this YT clip) who continue this “talent acquisition” rhetoric for the past 20 yrs back to reality. Lol

Since 2004 our overall class rankings have been the following:
2004 - #3
2005 - #9
2006 - #12
2007 - #13
2008 - #1
2009 - #16
2010 - #12
2011 - #32
2012 - #10
2013 - #15
2014 - #12
2015 - #26
2016 - #22
2017 - #13
2018 - #8
2019 - #17
2020 - #11
2021 - #11
2022 - #13
2023 - #8
2024 - #6

For 21 cycles, 76% of classes have finished w/in the top 15 in the nation, 33% have finished w/in the top 10 in the nation.

Let’s look at the rest of ACC during this same period:

2004: FSU (1st), Maryland (16th), UNC (27th), VT (33rd), UVA (37th), NCSt (39th), Clemson (43rd), GT (47th), Duke (65th), & WF (99th)

2005: FSU (1st), Clemson (16th), UVA (17th), VT (20th), Maryland (21st), NCSt (28th), UNC (47th), BC (50th), Duke (54th), WF (63rd), & GT (66th)

2006: FSU (4th), Clemson (13th), UNC (25th), Maryland (26th), VT (30th), BC (34th), NCSt (46th), Duke (49th), GT (60th), WF (64th), & UVA (75th)


—-The Coker ACC era had the 2nd rated ACC classes from 2004-2006, w/ a sizable “on paper” talent advantage over the rest of the ACC sans FSU; yet, we went 14-10 in ACC play w/ 0 ACC crowns or Coastal Crowns—-

2007: UNC (10th), GT (15th), Clemson (16th), FSU (20th), VT (26th), UVA (29th), Maryland (32nd), BC (42nd), NCSt (46th), WF (66th), & Duke (72nd),

2008: Clemson (10th), FSU (13th), VT (20th), NCSt (22nd) UNC (28th), BC (37th), Maryland (39th), GT (49th), UVA (54th), WF (60th), & Duke (65th)

2009: UNC (11th), FSU (15th), VT (24th), Maryland (29th), UVA (34th), Clemson (35th), GT (38th), NCSt (45th), Duke (51st), WF (59th), & BC (62nd)

2010: FSU (8th), UNC (21st), Clemson (25th), VT (26th), NCSt (34th), Maryland (37th), GT (40th), BC (43rd), WF (59th), Duke (67th), & UVA (71st)

—-During the Shannon era, we had the 2nd, 1st, 3rd, & 2nd ranked ACC classes from 2007-10, w/ a sizable “on paper” talent advantage over the rest of the ACC sans UNC; yet, we went 16-16 in ACC play during this period w/ 0 ACC Crowns & 0 Coastal Crowns—-

2011: FSU (2nd), Clemson (10th), UNC (18th), UVA (23rd), BC (38th), UVA (34th), GT (42nd), Maryland (49th), Duke (62nd), WF (65th), & NCSt (69th)

2012: FSU (4th), Clemson (20th), VT (21st), UVA (25th), Maryland (37th), UNC (41st), NCst (52nd), GT (53rd), Duke (62nd), WF (66th), & BC (69th)

2013: FSU (11th), Clemson (14th), VT (21st) UNC (28th), UVA (29th), Pitt (33rd), Maryland (39th), NCSt (59th), WF (64th), GT (69th), Duke (70th), Cuse (73rd), BC (84th)

2014: FSU (4th), Clemson (15th), VT (28th), UNC (31st), UVA (3rd), NCSt (34th), Pitt (44th), UL (46th), BC (51st), Cuse (53rd), GT (54th), Duke (61st), & WF (66th)

2015: FSU (4th), Clemson (9th), UNC (28th), VT (30th), NCSt (31st), UL (33rd), GT (44th), UVA (46th), Pitt (47th), WF (51st) Duke (52nd), Cuse (57th), & BC (60th)

—-During The Golden/Scott (interim) era, we brought in the worst ACC class in 2011 (5th) in our history, followed by the 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, & 3rd ranked ACC classes. Even though this is our worst period of recruiting, once again, “on paper”, we had a sizable talent advantage sans FSU & Clemson during this time. To note, we only played Clemson once between 2011-2015; yet, we went 21-18 in ACC play with 0 ACC crowns & 0 ACC Coastal—-

2016: FSU (2nd), Clemson (11th), Pitt (31st), Duke (32nd), UNC (37th), UL (38th), VT (42nd), NCSt (50th), WF (58th), GT (61st), Cuse (62nd), UVA (63rd), & BC (78th)

2017: FSU (6th), Clemson (16th), VT (25th), UNC (30th), UL (34th) Pitt (37th), Duke (47th), GT (48th), Cuse (54th), NCSt (55th), UVA (59th), BC (67th), & WF (68th)

2018: Clemson (7th), FSU (11th), UNC (20th), VT (24th), NCSt (26th), UL (31st), GT (44th), Pitt (48th), Cuse (51st), UVA (59th), Duke (63rd), WF (64th), & BC (71st)

—-During the Richt era, by far our best era, we had the 3rd, 2nd, & 2nd ranked ACC recruiting classes. Even though this was our best era in the ACC resulting in 1 ACC Coastal Crown (0 ACC Crowns), we still went 16-8 in the ACC despite having the 3rd most talent “on paper” in the ACC by a sizable margin. The two teams who had more talent (FSU & Clemson) were in the cross-division, and we didn’t play Clemson once in the regular season during this era. —-

2019: Clemson (12th), FSU (19th), VT (27th), NCSt (28th), UNC (32nd), UVA (42nd), Cuse (50th), Duke (52nd), GT (54th), Pitt (57th), WF (59th), BC (66th), & UL (71st)

2020: Clemson (3rd), UNC (16th), FSU (21st), GT (28th), UVA (40th), Pitt (43rd), NCSt (44th), UL (45th), BC (55th), Duke (56th), VT (59th), Cuse (62nd), & WF (63rd)

2021: Clemson (5th), UNC (14th), FSU (21st), Pitt (32nd), UVA (37th), NCSt (38th), BC (40th), UL (41st), GT (43rd), VT (49th), Duke (59th), Cuse (64th), & WF (68th)

—-During the Diaz era, we had the 2nd best ACC recruiting class all 3 yrs. This was also our 2nd best ACC record in the last 21 yrs going 16-9. The only team that had a decided talent advantage than us was Clemson during this era, & we played them once in 2020. Once again, despite the talent advantage, this era brought us 0 ACC Crowns & 0 ACC Coastal Crowns.—-

2022: UNC (11th), Clemson (14th), FSU (19th), UL (35th), VT (43rd), GT (44th), BC (51st), Duke (61st), UVA (64th), Cuse (65th), Pitt (70th), NCSt (72nd), & WF (79th)

2023: Clemson (15th), FSU (16th), UL (24th), UNC (28th), VT (44th), NCSt (49th), Pitt (56th), BC (57th), GT (64th), UVA (65th), WF (67th), Duke (68th), Cuse (73rd)

—-Thus far in the Mario era, we’ve had the 2nd, 1st, & 1st ranked ACC classes by a pretty substantial margin, “on paper”; yet, we are now 6-10 in ACC play, with 0 ACC Crowns & 0 ACC Coastal Crowns (which is no longer an option). Despite out recruiting the ACC since his arrival by a wide margin, the results have not equated—-

2024 is a TBD; but, this little data sheet shows some in this fan base has selective memory, or have convinced themselves that all of sudden our talent is better than the rest of the ACC. We haven’t been just losing to the FSU’s & Clemson’s of the world, that would be understandable; we’re losing to the GTs, Dukes, ULs, UNCs, NCSts, Pitts, VTs, UVAs of the world, and the talent levels are NOT REMOTELY close.

So until I see something on the field, imma stop basking in the glory of another successful recruiting cycle & off season. I need to see something, b/c I’m frankly tired of celebrating from late December - August.
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I know it’s not a perfect science but can we agree that the prospects we are getting now are different from the previous regimes? I’m specifically talking Miami, I haven’t seen this caliber of talent as a whole since Butch. Not saying it’s Butch levels but it’s different regardless of rankings in terms of tape, MR AG RS LC and MD we’re not getting kids like this especially up front. Yea sometimes team out perform their ranking make a bowl here and there. But for sustained elite success imo is maximum talent overload (pause). If that makes any sense, we can agree the Pancakes FM Bains Lightfoots Scott’s would never come to UM under those other staffs.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
I know it’s not a perfect science but can we agree that the prospects we are getting now are different from the previous regimes? I’m specifically talking Miami, I haven’t seen this caliber of talent as a whole since Butch. Not saying it’s Butch levels but it’s different regardless of rankings in terms of tape, MR AG RS LC and MD we’re not getting kids like this especially up front. Yea sometimes team out perform their ranking make a bowl here and there. But for sustained elite success imo is maximum talent overload (pause). If that makes any sense, we can agree the Pancakes FM Bains Lightfoots Scott’s would never come to UM under those other staffs.
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No, I can’t b/c we’re 6-10 in the ACC. Until I see something different, I can’t just say “look at this talent we’re bringing in.”
 
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Rellyrell said:
No, I can’t b/c we’re 6-10 in the ACC. Until I see something different, I can’t just say “look at this talent we’re bringing in.”
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Nor should you. Talent hasn't been the problem for 20 years as you pointed out. Coaching has been and until they show otherwise, I'm just a barely interested fan at this point. Even if we start winning, I still feel like this NIL era we're in, it'll never be the same as it once was. The game has lost a lot of it's luster.
 
Rellyrell said:
No, I can’t b/c we’re 6-10 in the ACC. Until I see something different, I can’t just say “look at this talent we’re bringing in.”
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We’ll see it this season. We’re not elite but we’re good enough across the board with a quality QB to win a lot of games.

It’s not just recruiting. The upper class are talented too. Ward, Restrepo, George, Rivers, Coop, the C transfer, JHH, Mesidor, Kelly, Kiko, Wes, Porter, the S transfer. We’re developing guys at the same time we’re recruiting talent and bringing in known talent from other programs. Firing on all cylinders even if our top speed is still very good not great.

This time last year I was livid about not having a backup QB, not having a WR1, being way too weak at LB, not having a replacement for Jackson at DT, not having a CB1 and having no safety depth. We had massive holes. Now while there are still upgrades we need to make, the roster is already good enough to win in the ACC.
 
Sigh…..
I refuse….
I refuse to believe….
I refuse to get my hopes up….
I refuse to think this year will be different….
I refuse to think we win 9/10 last year with a decent QB….
I refuse to put all my emotions into this team for the 20th year in a row….
I refuse to think Mario is better than Radio, Golden, Richt, or Diaz….
I refuse to see how our OL/DL keeps getting better every single year….
I refuse to believe that our talent is now good enough to overcome most struggles in any game….
I refuse to have my heart broken again….
I refuse your optimism….
I will not believe….
I will not….
Sigh….

WORK HARDER CANES!!!
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