Addition by subtraction at QB?

[BlackKeysFan]

You don't need to throw the ball far to go deep with the speed and ability we have at WR. I want 2 or 3 screens to Coley a game.

 

[wvcanefan]

Derrick Crudup, Kyle Wright, Kirby Freeman, Robert Marve, Jacory Harris, Stephen Morris....at one time or another all were considered addition by subtraction. I'll take the wait and see route.

 

[We'retheBoss]

Losing the deep ball isn't a good thing. Considering our main threat will be our RB, expect the box to get stacked and the safeties to creep up.

Did we lose the deep ball when Dorsey was our QB? Early recognition and release can help compensate for lack of arm strength.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Losing the deep ball isn't a good thing. Considering our main threat will be our RB, expect the box to get stacked and the safeties to creep up.

Did we lose the deep ball when Dorsey was our QB? Early recognition and release can help compensate for lack of arm strength.

Right on target.
Steve Walsh. Noodle arm, great production - 1 MNC, AP All-American. I'll go farther on your second sentence. Timely recognition and release make a rocket arm irrelevant.

 

[DMoney]

We have had an "addition by subtraction" post for every new QB since Brock left.

By my calculations, we can expect Ryan Williams to be a cross of Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas.

 

[Dingaan1828]

We have had an "addition by subtraction" post for every new QB since Brock left.

By my calculations, we can expect Ryan Williams to be a cross of Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas.

Well, we saw what Morris gave us - a big arm and nothing else. Some fans are in love with the rocket arm. Apparently Morris was too. The only thing we lose in Morris is the arm.

Williams needs to utilize his offensive weapons better than Morris did. That shouldn't prevent him from throwing a deep ball. It just can't be a LATE deep ball. Morris could get away with that, but Williams can't IMO.

I'm not real high on Williams. But, I do think he can be more effective than Morris was. If that's addition by subtraction, oh well.

 

[nyibis]

Losing the deep ball isn't a good thing. Considering our main threat will be our RB, expect the box to get stacked and the safeties to creep up.

Did we lose the deep ball when Dorsey was our QB? Early recognition and release can help compensate for lack of arm strength.

Timing is everything.
Throw it as far as you can but throw it early enough to leave room to let your speed receiver run under it.
That's what all those pre camp practices are for. Getting your timing right with your receivers.
Big arm is great but average arm still works.

GO CANES!!!!

 

[DMoney]

My take on Williams/Morris.

I've been a Williams fan since his first practice as a transfer. In 2012, I heard from people close to the team that Williams was miles behind Morris. The same people told me Williams didn't have Miami-caliber talent, which disappointed me. Spring practice was more of the same. Morris was killing it, and Williams was competing with Gray Crow for the backup job.

But something changed over the summer. In August camp, Morris began struggling. Williams actually outplayed him and did so throughout the season in practice. The reason Golden didn't make the change is because he felt Morris was the better player (based on a larger body of work and eye test) and the fact that it takes extreme circumstances to bench a senior QB. The offense wasn't costing us games, and actually played pretty well in the first three losses.

I believe Morris is better than Williams. Based on objective measures like stats (and possibly draft position), the past two years have been the best two-year string of quarterback play since Ken Dorsey.

However, I would not be surprised if Williams has a better year this year than Morris had in 2013. Williams is the kind of guy who works and improves. He improved a ton between his junior year at American Heritage and his senior year at Miramar. Even though he wasn't as good as Geno Smith, he did what Geno could not do at Miramar and won a state title. The offense is very strong around Williams, and the defense won't get worse. If he stays healthy and his weapons stay healthy, I expect us to be a good offensive team.

 

[nyibis]

My take on Williams/Morris.

I've been a Williams fan since his first practice as a transfer. In 2012, I heard from people close to the team that Williams was miles behind Morris. The same people told me Williams didn't have Miami-caliber talent, which disappointed me. Spring practice was more of the same. Morris was killing it, and Williams was competing with Gray Crow for the backup job.

But something changed over the summer. In August camp, Morris began struggling. Williams actually outplayed him and did so throughout the season in practice. The reason Golden didn't make the change is because he felt Morris was the better player (based on a larger body of work and eye test) and the fact that it takes extreme circumstances to bench a senior QB. The offense wasn't costing us games, and actually played pretty well in the first three losses.

I believe Morris is better than Williams. Based on objective measures like stats (and possibly draft position), the past two years have been the best two-year string of quarterback play since Ken Dorsey.

However, I would not be surprised if Williams has a better year this year than Morris had in 2013. Williams is the kind of guy who works and improves. He improved a ton between his junior year at American Heritage and his senior year at Miramar. Even though he wasn't as good as Geno Smith, he did what Geno could not do at Miramar and won a state title. The offense is very strong around Williams, and the defense won't get worse. If he stays healthy and his weapons stay healthy, I expect us to be a good offensive team.

I liked what little we saw of Williams and I expect him to play well. If a better option shows up in camp it's a win.

 

[Tad Footeball]

But something changed over the summer...

They got into the "meat" of Coley's offense and Morris showed that he only excels at tangential things like drills at passing acadamies and throwing the deep ball?

Not all of this is an indictment of Morris though. If my assumptions are true it shows Coley wasn't nearly as adept as Fisch at working with the talent he has. Hopefully that's never an issue again if Williams is at least capable enough to play to his potential within Coley's system for a year and then (hopefully) we get a stream of legit talent flowing in at that position after. DMoney's analysis actually gives me much more hope for this season though. Well that and the belief that Duke will be back at 100%.

 

[um101]

We have had an "addition by subtraction" post for every new QB since Brock left.

By my calculations, we can expect Ryan Williams to be a cross of Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas.

Since Berlin? Plenty of fans were happy to see Dorsey go and couldn't wait for a "bomber" like Berlin to take over.


It's amazing how quickly people turn on the players.

 

[JHallCanes]

Williams has gotten a lot better since he arrived here.

That's about as far as I can go with this.

I have no ******* idea what to expect.

 

[pope7137]

I'd love to see Olsen kill it in spring and take the job. But we are never that lucky.

 

[Tad Footeball]

I'd love to see Olsen kill it in spring and take the job. But we are never that lucky.

Based on the perception of Golden's philosophy/preference, Olsen probably would actually have to literally kill Williams to win the job going into the season.

 

[DMoney]

But something changed over the summer...

They got into the "meat" of Coley's offense and Morris showed that he only excels at tangential things like drills at passing acadamies and throwing the deep ball?

Morris was making all kinds of throws in the spring. Look at the back-shoulder throws from the spring game.

I've heard whispers that he got too comfortable and started reading press clippings. For whatever reason he and Jacory both began to struggle once the hype picked up.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I would equate Morris to when I was in the military.

There were some who were excellent shooters on the range. I mean, dead-on. Others on the range were just good.

But in combat, with all the 'diversions,' they'd choke. Whereas, some of the others who on a range were just adequate - when the pressure was really on, they were processing information on another level, and made spectacular shots - those that had to be made in a constantly descending order.

Morris apparently was a practice guru. But he wasn't processing information very well on game day when he had 'diversions.' So he reverted to just concentrating on a couple shots - making those instead of truly working the problem. Thus the spectacular, occasional long shots, but he couldn't just move the ball down the field.

 

[JHallCanes]

But something changed over the summer...

They got into the "meat" of Coley's offense and Morris showed that he only excels at tangential things like drills at passing acadamies and throwing the deep ball?

Morris was making all kinds of throws in the spring. Look at the back-shoulder throws from the spring game.

I've heard whispers that he got too comfortable and started reading press clippings. For whatever reason he and Jacory both began to struggle once the hype picked up.

D, the biggest disappointment with Jacory and then Morris is the regression when times got the toughest. Both of them seemed to shine when the moment was crucial early in their careers, and then something happened. Morris was a clutch kid when he first got in there, same with Jacory....IIRC anyways. Both of them seemed to really fall back on bad habits under pressure as they progressed in their careers which was very disheartening. Gimme a kid that keeps his focus in those times and we can roll with that. Maybe Williams can do it, maybe he can't, but he will get the chance.

 

[deleted4697]

We have had an "addition by subtraction" post for every new QB since Brock left.

By my calculations, we can expect Ryan Williams to be a cross of Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas.

Since Berlin? Plenty of fans were happy to see Dorsey go and couldn't wait for a "bomber" like Berlin to take over.


It's amazing how quickly people turn on the players.

i hope ur not serious....hope i never meet those fans

 

[deleted4697]

But something changed over the summer...

They got into the "meat" of Coley's offense and Morris showed that he only excels at tangential things like drills at passing acadamies and throwing the deep ball?

Morris was making all kinds of throws in the spring. Look at the back-shoulder throws from the spring game.

I've heard whispers that he got too comfortable and started reading press clippings. For whatever reason he and Jacory both began to struggle once the hype picked up.

D, the biggest disappointment with Jacory and then Morris is the regression when times got the toughest. Both of them seemed to shine when the moment was crucial early in their careers, and then something happened. Morris was a clutch kid when he first got in there, same with Jacory....IIRC anyways. Both of them seemed to really fall back on bad habits under pressure as they progressed in their careers which was very disheartening. Gimme a kid that keeps his focus in those times and we can roll with that. Maybe Williams can do it, maybe he can't, but he will get the chance.

i agree....harris vs fsu, oklahoma, and wake forrest in 09 was clutch....and morris vs maryland 10 was clutch....downhill since...well he did have some moments his jr yr,but never made a real leap

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I'm just glad we'll never have to hear "the ankle is much better than last week/almost 100%" ever again.