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ACC Championship Game

NCCanefan said:
Sure. Some guy on the internet can tell you the 2 teams who will be in the championship game even though some teams have played zero conference games. They can also give you the seeding and tell you which side of the field they will be on.
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Read forward fella, don't be so judgemental
 
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112_cane said:
One side goes to whoever clinches first. It's on the ACC website with seating chart. Keep in mind that might be Clemson (if they continue to win), because their ACC schedule ends two games before ours does. They end with two out of conf games while we still have Wake and Cuse.

North side is 1st to clinch

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So now it will come down to the last day presumably?

If SMU gets a early game vs Miami getting a night game?
 
So who we rooting for this week to help the cause? I know all we need to do is win out and get in, but hopefully we can get some breathing room. I'm guessing best case scenario is.

Syracuse win over BC.
VA over Pitt
Va. Tech over Clemson
Duke over NC State
F$U and ND = asteroid strike on the stadium
 
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112_cane said:
One side goes to whoever clinches first. It's on the ACC website with seating chart. Keep in mind that might be Clemson (if they continue to win), because their ACC schedule ends two games before ours does. They end with two out of conf games while we still have Wake and Cuse.

North side is 1st to clinch

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Looks like SMU would clinch first if they win their next 2 games as they only have to win 2 out of 3 to clinch
 
We are pretty much doomed with another loss I believe. Would need something wild to happen to make it with 2 losses.
 
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CANESCANES said:
Looks like SMU would clinch first if they win their next 2 games as they only have to win 2 out of 3 to clinch
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That is not true.

If SMU loses a game and Miami/Clemson win out, it would be a 3-way tie at 7-1 each.

And you know who has the weakest "opponents' record" tiebreaker? SMU.

There are 3 tiers.

1. SMU has zero losses, but 3 games remaining. Their max losses are 3.

2. Miami and Clemson have 1 loss each. Miami has the tiebreaker over Clemson (we beat Louisville, they did not). However, Clemson has 1 remaining game and Miami has 2. If Clemson beats Pitt and Miami loses a game, then Clemson clinches.

3. Pitt and Louisville have 2 losses each AND have to play each other. Whoever loses is almost certainly out of the running.

The interesting point to make is that if SMU finishes in a 3-way tie with TWO of Miami/Clemson/Pitt/Louisville, then SMU likely gets knocked out, because they have played the WORST overall group of ACC teams. Louisville has had the toughest ACC schedule, followed by Pitt, and then Miami.


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TheOriginalCane said:
That is not true.

If SMU loses a game and Miami/Clemson win out, it would be a 3-way tie at 7-1 each.

And you know who has the weakest "opponents' record" tiebreaker? SMU.

There are 3 tiers.

1. SMU has zero losses, but 3 games remaining. Their max losses are 3.

2. Miami and Clemson have 1 loss each. Miami has the tiebreaker over Clemson (we beat Louisville, they did not). However, Clemson has 1 remaining game and Miami has 2. If Clemson beats Pitt and Miami loses a game, then Clemson clinches.

3. Pitt and Louisville have 2 losses each AND have to play each other. Whoever loses is almost certainly out of the running.

The interesting point to make is that if SMU finishes in a 3-way tie with TWO of Miami/Clemson/Pitt/Louisville, then SMU likely gets knocked out, because they have played the WORST overall group of ACC teams. Louisville has had the toughest ACC schedule, followed by Pitt, and then Miami.


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Clemson essentially needs Miami to lose one of its last two conference games or for SMU to lose two of its last three conference games.


In SMU’s case, the Mustangs could lose to Boston College or Cal and still make the ACC title game over Clemson because they would be 5-0 among common opponents with Clemson, while the Tigers would be 4-1 because of their Louisville loss.

And if SMU lost to Virginia (a common opponent), Clemson and SMU would both be 4-1 in “pod” play. But the Mustangs, a first-year expansion team formerly of the AAC, would likely still have the edge because of their win over Louisville.

ACC tiebreaker policy dictates that if two teams have the same winning percentage against common opponents, the next step to possibly break the tie is ranking those common opponents by order of finish in the ACC and going one by one from best to worst. This rewards which team won against the better common opponent(s).

Even with a loss among common opponents, SMU’s win over Louisville (currently in the top half of the ACC standings at 4-2) would likely break a tie against the Tigers.

But if the Mustangs lose twice in their last three games, they would drop to 6-2 at best and fall behind a 7-1 Clemson in the conference standings.

If Clemson beats Pittsburgh on Saturday (in the third-to-last week of the regular season), all of these potential outcomes could extend to the final week of the regular season, when Miami and SMU both play their final conference games.
 
CANESCANES said:
Clemson essentially needs Miami to lose one of its last two conference games or for SMU to lose two of its last three conference games.


In SMU’s case, the Mustangs could lose to Boston College or Cal and still make the ACC title game over Clemson because they would be 5-0 among common opponents with Clemson, while the Tigers would be 4-1 because of their Louisville loss.

And if SMU lost to Virginia (a common opponent), Clemson and SMU would both be 4-1 in “pod” play. But the Mustangs, a first-year expansion team formerly of the AAC, would likely still have the edge because of their win over Louisville.

ACC tiebreaker policy dictates that if two teams have the same winning percentage against common opponents, the next step to possibly break the tie is ranking those common opponents by order of finish in the ACC and going one by one from best to worst. This rewards which team won against the better common opponent(s).

Even with a loss among common opponents, SMU’s win over Louisville (currently in the top half of the ACC standings at 4-2) would likely break a tie against the Tigers.

But if the Mustangs lose twice in their last three games, they would drop to 6-2 at best and fall behind a 7-1 Clemson in the conference standings.

If Clemson beats Pittsburgh on Saturday (in the third-to-last week of the regular season), all of these potential outcomes could extend to the final week of the regular season, when Miami and SMU both play their final conference games.
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Correct. Smu has to lose to Virginia for clemson to make it. Clemson needs us to lose another game to make it.
 
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ristwasdown said:
Correct. Smu has to lose to Virginia for clemson to make it. Clemson needs us to lose another game to make it.
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And if SMU lost to Virginia (a common opponent), Clemson and SMU would both be 4-1 in “pod” play. But the Mustangs, a first-year expansion team formerly of the AAC, would likely still have the edge because of their win over Louisville.
 
CANESCANES said:
And if SMU lost to Virginia (a common opponent), Clemson and SMU would both be 4-1 in “pod” play. But the Mustangs, a first-year expansion team formerly of the AAC, would likely still have the edge because of their win over Louisville.
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Does it not go to acc opponent win percentage after the common opponent win percentage in the tie breaker rules? With them both 4-1 vs common opponents. What does it then look at then?
 
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CANESCANES said:
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Yeah I'm fixated on the first sentence. Where one team is identified. Then the procedures restart for other two teams (If and only if smu drops one)

First round would be us vs. Smu down to #5, since Clemson lost to Louisville. I think we'd win that breaker

Then they compare smu and clemson. It would also go to #5 if smu loses to virginia. If they lose to anyone else. They get in over Clemson.

Maybe I'm misreading this
 
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Canes Legacy said:
Not having divisions is stupid, tie breakers are asinine and teams play totally different conference schedules leading to a disparity in records.
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Divisions doesn't stop tie breakers lol. Nor does it make conferences weaker. In fact all it actually does is guarantee the top two teams are playing for the championship.
Sounds like your problem is with the conference size or how many conference games there are.
 
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