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So as we know if SMU clemson and Miami continue to win out there is a possibility that Miami would be left out of the ACC Championship game. However if this is the case Miami would most likely make the at large bid and could potentially get the number five seed. In many ways don't you guys think that getting a #5 seed would be better even if we are not ACC champions. this is a much easier route through the playoffs. What are your guys' thoughts
 

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In the number of games played, it's even. Instead of playing the ACC Championship game, the Canes would have to play in the 1st round of the playoff instead of getting a bye. The advantage would be the 1st round of the playoff would be a home game against the Group of 5 champ while the ACC Championship game is a neutral site game, but if Clemson is the opponent, we all know who will have more fans there as they are about 2 and a half hours away by car.

To me, I'd rather be the 3 seed, get the bye, and play the 6th/11th seed winner to get to play most likely the 2nd seed in the semi-finals. As the 5th seed, you play the 4th seed and then most likely the 1st in the semis.

Of course, I don't see the selection committee picking Miami as the 5th seed anyway even if they go undefeated and are left out of the ACC Championship game. I'd see a one loss SEC or B1G team getting that seed.
 
I hope Louisville steps up beats Clemson and it's a Miami - SMU title game. Tickets and the ticket prices will be much cheaper and easy to be had than if Clemson is there for what is basically a home game for them. And a 2ND loss would knock Clemson out of the playoffs.
 
If the Canes, Clemson, and SMU win out, which I doubt happens, SMU will be left out. Their conference schedule is far too weak compared to Miami and Clemson.

Clemson has a tough slate of games to finish conference play and SMU just lost their best pass catcher for the year and made up of a ton of mercenaries. One of them is dropping a game before it's all over.
 
jsy said:
So as we know if SMU clemson and Miami continue to win out there is a possibility that Miami would be left out of the ACC Championship game. However if this is the case Miami would most likely make the at large bid and could potentially get the number five seed. In many ways don't you guys think that getting a #5 seed would be better even if we are not ACC champions. this is a much easier route through the playoffs. What are your guys' thoughts
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You're way too generous in thinking we'd definitely get the 5 seed in that scenario.

The SEC and B1G runner up are more than likely getting the 5 and 6 seeds no matter what happens.

The biased playoff committee values "good losses" as much as they do wins over bad teams. Its just a convenient way to boost the SEC and B1G.

But its also why I wouldn't be surprised if their initial rankings have us behind Clemson, because of their "good loss" to UGA.

Don't be surprised if they have us behind BYU (and 1 or 2 others) either.
 
We can all agree the worst case scenario isn’t we win out. Play the ACC ship game. Lose. Then we play the extra game and the extra game in the playoffs. Assuming we still make it in

I will say the hilarious poetic justice would be us going undefeated with our best team in over a decade and then we can’t even play for the ACC ship. We’ve gotten so much crap for not winning that stupid thing. We have to.
 
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SCarolina Ibis said:
You're way too generous in thinking we'd definitely get the 5 seed in that scenario.

The SEC and B1G runner up are more than likely getting the 5 and 6 seeds no matter what happens.

The biased playoff committee values "good losses" as much as they do wins over bad teams. Its just a convenient way to boost the SEC and B1G.

But its also why I wouldn't be surprised if their initial rankings have us behind Clemson, because of their "good loss" to UGA.

Don't be surprised if they have us behind BYU (and 1 or 2 others) either.
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I think the "good loss" scenario might apply if it were a close competitive game. But Clemson got spanked by UGA like a G5 team
 
JayCane20 said:
If the Canes, Clemson, and SMU win out, which I doubt happens, SMU will be left out. Their conference schedule is far too weak compared to Miami and Clemson.

Clemson has a tough slate of games to finish conference play and SMU just lost their best pass catcher for the year and made up of a ton of mercenaries. One of them is dropping a game before it's all over.
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Question concerning SMU schedule and why you think its far too weak compared to us?

Conference opponents:

FSU
Louisville
Stanford
Duke
Pitt
BC
UVA
Cal

Miami shares the following:

Cal
Lousiville
Duke
FSU

Id say Wake and Stanford are equally as bad
Syracuse and BC are about equal
Pitt right now is better than VT
then you have GT and UVA

If they beat Pitt this week they will have two ranked wins, Lousiville when they were 22 and Pitt at 19.

We beat the same lville team but they werent ranked when we played so that somehow matters. SMU one loss was by 3 to BYU who is now #11.

I also tend to agree with you, SMU gets left out and probably becomes moot as they will drop one and I think losing Maryland hurts them, but I cant say the conference schedule slate would be the reason why.
 
Cookie917 said:
Question concerning SMU schedule and why you think its far too weak compared to us?

Conference opponents:

FSU
Louisville
Stanford
Duke
Pitt
BC
UVA
Cal

Miami shares the following:

Cal
Lousiville
Duke
FSU

Id say Wake and Stanford are equally as bad
Syracuse and BC are about equal
Pitt right now is better than VT
then you have GT and UVA

If they beat Pitt this week they will have two ranked wins, Lousiville when they were 22 and Pitt at 19.

We beat the same lville team but they werent ranked when we played so that somehow matters. SMU one loss was by 3 to BYU who is now #11.

I also tend to agree with you, SMU gets left out and probably becomes moot as they will drop one and I think losing Maryland hurts them, but I cant say the conference schedule slate would be the reason why.
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I posted about it in another thread.

Currently Miami's conference opponents are 13-18 in conference, Clemson's are 12-18 in conference, and SMU's are 11-19 in conference. We have a 2 game jump on SMU and .5 game on Clemson. Then, our uncommon opponents (not on Clemson or SMU schedule) are Syracuse and GT, Clemson's uncommon opponent is NCST, and SMU's is BC. Cuse and GT are 2 of the top 6-7 teams in the conference and BC/NCST are bottom dwellers.

We need Cuse to beat Pitt tomorrow night and we go up another game on each of them. Technically Clemson could jump us if Pitt wins that and then SMU would be behind .5 game. They also both still play Pitt so someone is losing those or Pitt is adding 2 L's to that record.

Of course it's not an exact science but I went through every team on each's schedule and projected that Clemson, SMU, and Miami go undefeated and then projected everyone on their schedule's remaining games and plugged in projected records and I came out to Miami's opponents having a 4 game lead on Clemson's schedule and Clemson's having a 2 game lead on SMU's schedule.
 
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SCarolina Ibis said:
You're way too generous in thinking we'd definitely get the 5 seed in that scenario.

The SEC and B1G runner up are more than likely getting the 5 and 6 seeds no matter what happens.

The biased playoff committee values "good losses" as much as they do wins over bad teams. Its just a convenient way to boost the SEC and B1G.

But its also why I wouldn't be surprised if their initial rankings have us behind Clemson, because of their "good loss" to UGA.

Don't be surprised if they have us behind BYU (and 1 or 2 others) either.
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Only 1 scenario would justify us not being #5, that would be OSU 12-1 beating undefeated Oregon in the BIG championship game.
Oregon would be 12-1, with a loss to the #1 team, to our 12-0.

That being said, I agree that we would be behind SEC2 and BIG2 in any case and be slotted in at #7.

However…
Right now we’re up on conference opponents conference win pct, and there’s some key games coming up.
There will not be a 3-team tie IMO.
 
johnnytsunami01 said:
You're assuming we would get the #5, unfortunately there is a very real possibility that the loser of the SEC or Big 10 championship will get that seed
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yea looking at the bracket the 5 seed is actually the best seed
would guarantee us at least two wins
 
NJshoreCane said:
Only 1 scenario would justify us not being #5, that would be OSU 12-1 beating undefeated Oregon in the BIG championship game.
Oregon would be 12-1, with a loss to the #1 team, to our 12-0.

That being said, I agree that we would be behind SEC2 and BIG2 in any case and be slotted in at #7.

However…
Right now we’re up on conference opponents conference win pct, and there’s some key games coming up.
There will not be a 3-team tie IMO.
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Yeah I agree with all that tbh. Unbeaten Miami getting left out of the ACCCG would make it interesting though.

I think we can all agree that the committee will have us behind Texas and OSU when they release their rankings next week.

Let's say the polls/rankings stay that way until the conference championship games.

Oregon and UGA are #1 and #2, and they win close games against Texas and Ohio State in their conference championship games.

There's already been debate over whether or not the the committee will/should punish teams for losing their conference championship games.

OSU would have two losses to #1
Texas would have two loses to #2
The second loss for both teams would've come in their conference championship game.

The ONLY way they aren't 100% getting the 5 and 6 seeds is if it takes place in OP's original scenario..

But.. Miami wasn't ranked ahead of either team before their conference title game losses. So would they punish unbeaten Miami for not playing in the ACCCG?

I honestly don't know. These are crazy, biased times.
 
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kccanefan said:
Pitt hasn't really played anyone yet. I think Syracuse has a good shot of beating them tomorrow night.
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Pitt beat Cincinnati and that was a crazy game. Cincinnati whooped them up in the first half but in the 2nd half it was the Eli Holstein and Des Reid show. If Pitt was in the Big 12 they would be the team to beat and unlike SMU they went 2-0 against the Big 12. My thing about Pitt, I question their defense against SMU. Pitt a good team who could go 8-4 or 9-3....maybe 10-2 but I doubt it
 
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JayCane20 said:
I posted about it in another thread.

Currently Miami's conference opponents are 13-18 in conference, Clemson's are 12-18 in conference, and SMU's are 11-19 in conference. We have a 2 game jump on SMU and .5 game on Clemson. Then, our uncommon opponents (not on Clemson or SMU schedule) are Syracuse and GT, Clemson's uncommon opponent is NCST, and SMU's is BC. Cuse and GT are 2 of the top 6-7 teams in the conference and BC/NCST are bottom dwellers.

We need Cuse to beat Pitt tomorrow night and we go up another game on each of them. Technically Clemson could jump us if Pitt wins that and then SMU would be behind .5 game. They also both still play Pitt so someone is losing those or Pitt is adding 2 L's to that record.

Of course it's not an exact science but I went through every team on each's schedule and projected that Clemson, SMU, and Miami go undefeated and then projected everyone on their schedule's remaining games and plugged in projected records and I came out to Miami's opponents having a 4 game lead on Clemson's schedule and Clemson's having a 2 game lead on SMU's schedule.
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