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Yeah especially when that horse is really a jackass.Lol. Pretty sure I used other teams, throughout, but hey....can’t lead a horse to water.
Yeah especially when that horse is really a jackass.Lol. Pretty sure I used other teams, throughout, but hey....can’t lead a horse to water.
Seeing this just makes me think about how much I miss Bernie Mac.
F it, BShaw....let’s take out the *** we gave up to Wisconsin in 2018....last 6 games, we still gave up an avg. of 155 yrds/game.
Bro, I know, I know....like I said, blame @D RevLee for making me rewatch the LA Tech game. We have a lot of **** stats that’s made our def look phenomenal: TFLs, Sacks, ypc, ypg, the T.O chain....but, the ypg against the run, the 3rd down conversions, the 4th down conversions have caused us to blow late game leads, including waning moments when the O took the lead. We have a really good defense, but we cannot pretend like this Def have been all world and does not have a share in our woes. It needs to be tighten up.
https://media.giphy.com/media/***ln5qp01U9q/giphy.gifYeah especially when that horse is really a jackass.
My friend, I suggest you go back and read through this thread. We've been giving the defense a pass and calling them elite. They are far from elite, but it is definitely a very good defense for our division. My whole point in this thread is to highlight that our interior needs improvement, our missed tackles needs to improve, and we gotta get off the field by not allowing teams to willingly just run the ball at us.
Mannys defense has always been more flash than substance. That’s why I always ***** when we get punched in the mouth when we verse a ground running team like BC or Wisconsin
In the past 4 years if we could have scored min of 30 points, which should not be hard in todays college football landscape our regular season record would be:
2016: 10-2 (counting ND as loss)
2017: 11-1
2018: 11-1
2019: 10-2 (counting FIU as loss)
Our defense is overrated to an extent but for 90% of our games either keeps us in the game with a good offense or outright wins it for us
Our offense has been putrid the past 2 seasons and it shows
I respect you as a poster, and you're not being a homer. I know we like to think this b/c that's how propaganda works, but it's not really true, either.
Game 1.
Miami goes ahead 20-17. Miami gives up a 4 play 80 yard drive to UF and we lose 24-20.
Game 2.
Miami goes ahead 25-20. Miami gives up a 9 play 75 yard drive to UNC and we lose 28-25.
Game 5.
Miami comes back to tie game 35-35 against VT. Miami gives up 5 play 63 yard drive to VT and we lose 42-35
Game 7.
Miami is up 21-14 against GT. Miami gives up 6 play 80 yard drive to tie the game. We lose in OT.
Game 11.
Miami gives up scoring drives to FIU where their starting position was their 20, 18, and 11 yard line. (they had a couple of short fields, as well)
Game 13.
Miami gives up scoring drives to LA Tech of 13 plays, 91 yards (egregious), and 5 plays 56 yards (the back breaker)
Like I said, to go 6-7 and sub .500 over the past 2 years has been a team effort.
Any team with a decent OL that can hold back the initial rush, ala Wisconsin, will shred Manny's defense. It is all fizz bang pop..
We have a good overall defense. But ask yourself this. If we were ahead 20-19, :30 on the clock, and the opposition was 10 yards from scoring, would you be confident or just hopeful?
My example was lacking. I wanted to get it typed before my conference call started. But that was my point in an earlier post. How much of this is because the defense is demoralized as they watch their season slip away? My example was simply asking if the defense is elite or just looks it by comparison? I can see it from both sides. @Rellyrell's point about early defense vs later highlights both those questions.Even the best defenses in the world would have a hard time keeping a team that's on the ten from getting any points. Unless you force a turnover, you're still giving up an easy, chip shot, go ahead field goal.
Which is part of the main issue when we complain about the defense. We expect the defense to go way above and beyond what would be considered fair expectations.
There's certainly a few areas that could be improved on defense, they're not elite. I would grade the overall defense since Manny has been here as a B+/A-. Very good but not quite peak level. Meanwhile, I would grade the offense over the same period of time a D+. Occasional glimpses of good play but mostly garbage. Yes we can pick out specific moments during games where the defense failed but you could start a twenty page thread just listing individual moments where the offense failed. Honestly, the fact that the defensive players have not had an all out mutiny against the offensive coaches and players is a miracle. If the defense was even average last year, they would have gone 2-9. Louisville was the only game where I could honestly say, "thankfully the offense carried the load because the defense just wasn't very good today".
While the Defense could've made some plays/gotten some more stops - I feel like some context is needed on the contribution the offense made to losing these games,
Game 1 - Miami goes ahead 20-17. Miami gives up a 4 play 80 yard drive to UF and we lose 24-20.
UF drive before that TD - INT returned to UF 25. Miami misses 27 yd FG
UF drive after that TD - INT returned to UF 25 with 4 min to go. Miami goes on a 4 minute 10 play 2 yard drive. Game over.
Game 5 - Miami comes back to tie game 35-35 against VT. Miami gives up 5 play 63 yard drive to VT and we lose 42-35
Miami should've been up 36-35 but missed the XP
Miami still had 2 shots from the VT 10 yd line at the end of the game to tie it but threw 2 incomplete passes.
Miami had 5 turnovers on their first 6 possessions
Game 7 - Miami is up 21-14 against GT. Miami gives up 6 play 80 yard drive to tie the game. We lose in OT.
The score was 21-21 at halftime.
2 GT TD's were recovered fumble in the end zone and fake punt TD. Neither are on the D.
Miami gives up 0 pts in the 2nd half, but scores 0 pts and missed 25 & 27 yd FG attempts in the 4th that would've won the game
Game 11 - Miami gives up scoring drives to FIU where their starting position was their 20, 18, and 11 yard line.
Miami's first 7 possessions include 3 INT's, failed 4th & 1 at FIU 1, failed 4th & 1 at FIU 18
You can't put up only 3 pts on FIU thru 3 quarters
Game 13 - Miami gives up scoring drives to LA Tech of 13 plays, 91 yards (egregious), and 5 plays 56 yards (the back breaker)
In 13 possessions, the Miami offense never crosses the La Tech 30 yd line
Miami has 3 turnovers