Fundamental issues

DMoney

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I’m not ready to lump Coach Golden with Shannon and Coker, at least not yet. He works too hard and is too smart.

But the reality is that the results have been the same. We are an annual embarrassment. There remain fundamental problems that Golden needs to overcome if he is going to succeed. Sorry about the length. But there are a lot of issues.

In my opinion, there is one issue that trumps them all: Coach Golden has not adapted his Northeastern mentality to a South Florida program. He is a New Jersey guy who coached at Penn State, Boston College, Virginia and Temple. His professional idols are Bill Parcells, Al Groh and Tom Coughlin. He is as pure of a Northeast guy as it gets.

This manifests itself in three ways. First, it affects the scheme he runs. This has been covered ad nasueum by others with much more technical knowledge. But, at bottom, this scheme is about strength and discipline and our talent pool is about athleticism and playmaking. It doesn't fit, and the results have been historically bad.

Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Third, the Northeastern mentality affects the way he deals with the athletes. He works these kids hard, which is a good thing. JJ and Schnellenberger worked their kids hard. The UTough program is an unquestioned improvement. But the volume of team-building, community service and Deserve Victory activities is starting to wear on guys. From everything I've heard, this was a tired and unhappy team at the end of the year. South Florida kids are a unique breed. They don’t lack for work ethic or toughness, which is why they succeed in the NFL. But you can’t treat them the same way you treat Penn State players.

Coach Coley understands South Florida talent, but that's not enough. Those guys still need to be coached. Stephen Morris played much better under Jedd Fisch. That's obvious. And although I appreciate Coley’s commitment to a power run game, the execution has been poor. Eduardo Clements is the team’s best short-yardage runner, but we kept giving those carries to Gus Edwards. Even my wife began to key on the personnel groupings—Malcolm Lewis may as well have run on the field with a leather helmet. I like Coach Coley and think he has a bright future, but he still has a lot to prove.

As for Coach D’Onofrio, this board has covered it pretty well. One thing sticks out, though, and it relates to my first point about Coach Golden. South Florida is a linebacker paradise. You could sustain two NFL teams with local linebackers. But in year three, Coach D is still relying on Jimmy Gaines and Tyrone Cornelius. We cooled on James Burgess. Now he's putting our running backs in body bags. Skai Moore was an obvious stud to everyone except the people that matter. These are just two examples. Like Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Three years in, Coach D's record speaks for itself.

The optimist in me says Golden is smart enough to adapt. The pessimist in me says "you are what you are," especially when you write a 300-page book about your core values. The decisions he makes in the next few months will speak volumes.
 
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I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'm also not going to listen to anything Al has to say between now and next season. I just don't want to listen to sales talk.
 
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Great stuff $. Unfortunately I just don't think golden can set aside years of coaching philosophies and beliefs. At this point they are ingrained in him and changing the things you stated above would require a monumental shift in Goldens understanding of football.
 
Nailed it.

We are an average program ran backwards in many regards.

We also dont have a stadium to call our own.

Chicken/egg argument but both situations need to be addressed to be considered an elite program.
 
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I disagreed with your other thread about the fans being too hard on the kids, Dmoney. But this one was SPOT ON. Great point of view. Never thought about it from this perspective.
 
Knee jerk post.
But It does highlight that it will take longer then most here are willing to wait for Golden to implement his system to the fullest.
 
I think you give Alpo too much credit for being smart. A big part of being smart is the ability is the ability to adapt and to quickly repair things that aren't working. He's shown no ability to do either.

Stubborn and pig headed and trying to force square pegs into round holes for 3 years does not equate to intelligence in my book. Those are signs of lack of intelligence. He's a hard worker no doubt. But that doesn't mean he's a particularly bright fellow.

I see him as a hard working oaf who doesn't possess the ability to think on the fly or to overcome his own cognitive ceiling. I think guys mistake his ability to string sentences together at times (and those times are not when things are going poorly) for intelligence.
 
I’m not ready to lump Coach Golden with Shannon and Coker, at least not yet. He works too hard and is too smart.

But the reality is that the results have been the same. We are an annual embarrassment.

Sad to say, that's all that matters. This is a bottom line, performance based business.

I don't care how nicely he combs his hair, or how many cliche' she can work into an interview, he puts the exact same product on the field as the other two. Work as hard as you want, 0-4 against the best teams you face, losing by an average of 42-17 in your 3rd year puts you in Coker/Shannon territory, no matter how many hours a week you spend in your office.
 
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Knee jerk post.
But It does highlight that it will take longer then most here are willing to wait for Golden to implement his system to the fullest.

You're one of those guys who assumes that because it hasn't happened yet that it will eventually happen.
 
Knee jerk post.
But It does highlight that it will take longer then most here are willing to wait for Golden to implement his system to the fullest.

How long are you willing to give golden to implement his system? 5 years? 10 years?
 
Golden has been at Penn State, UVA, Temple. None of those programs get the kind of athletes that Miami is used to having. So it is not apart of his coaching makeup to be able to coach these kinds of players. He can't just reinvent himself and become something he is not.

When you've been coaching "Rudy" type athletes your entire life with that conservative style of coaching and you come to Miami and you have elite, explosive athletes that need to be let loose you are going to be a fish out of water.

Golden might leave for Penn State and have a lot of success there and it wouldn't surprise me. Because he fits Penn State much better than he fits Miami.

He is a square peg trying to fit into a round hole here.
 
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Knee jerk post.
But It does highlight that it will take longer then most here are willing to wait for Golden to implement his system to the fullest.

Did you read the original post?

It highlights a fundamental conflict between his vision and execution.

The scheme he runs on defense does not fit with the current players on the field or the players he recruits, which will be our future leaders.

The entire argument here is that he must adapt because his system, which you're advocating, will not manifest given his methods of coaching, recruiting, etc.
 
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