3 years

[ball915]

After draft last night and another no 1st round pick from Canes the question comes up after Al's third year.

Did Al inherit that big of a greasefire from Blandy or is the staff just failing to develop talent?

 

[chicanego]

Did Al inherit that big of a greasefire from Blandy or is the staff just failing to develop talent?

Both.

 

[FullyERicht]

Tons of Florida kids being drafted yearly in round 1, but non happen to be from U of Miami anymore. Statistically it's obvious we have major development issues. This is why our kids seem to always play better on the next level.

Between the academic demands, poor coaching, a joke S and C setup, and constant staff turnover bc of money, our player development is abysmal.

 

[canesstevealum08]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

 

[Paranos]

After draft last night and another no 1st round pick from Canes the question comes up after Al's third year.

Did Al inherit that big of a greasefire from Blandy or is the staff just failing to develop talent?

Consider this Charlie strong was at Louisville for the same amount of time and they just had 3 first round picks an will have a few more get drafted over the next few days. An on the field strong embarrassed both UM and UF just to prove a point.

So to answer your question it is a combination of both staff and defensive scheme. But these things are being corrected.

Go Canes

 

[FullyERicht]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

 

[jandman514]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

Shayon Green was a lowly 2 star and actually developed pretty nice and had a solid jr and sr year.. Clive Walford has gotten better every season here and was another low 3 star recruit with 3 offers.. Ladarius Gunter was a 2 star juco recruit and should of made one of the all acc teams last year and has gotten better each year. He will play in the NFL..

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I personally think it was both... But moreso development... I mean the 2 of UL first round picks were 3star recruits... And then you have the anomaly drafted players from institutions like UCF(is becoming a legit power since 2010) and Buffalo that were lesser-heralded prospects from what we recruited... And to be honest, I still don't see a 1st round prospect on our team next year besides Duke and everything is contingent on his health...

There are players we are hoping take the next step but the majority of our starters this year will have limited production... I haven't seen the development that was expected of this staff... Streeter was a glimpse of potential then everyone like Byrd and Benjamin regressed... Our staff has to improve on developing talent...

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

Hurns, Linder

 

[OBLIVION]

What sad, is we don't even have a definite 2nd our 3rd round guy. We may actually have to go deep into Saturday. Until a cane player is drafted.

 

[FullyERicht]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

Hurns, Linder

Linder was a wildly heralded recruit who won't be drafted until at least round three, and Hurns may not be drafted at all despite bing a three star kid from Miami.

That is not development.

Development is taking a kid like Calvin Pryor, a 3 star who Miami didn't even want, and getting him drafted by pick 18 after his junior year.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

Hurns, Linder

Linder was a wildly heralded recruit who won't be drafted until at least round three, and Hurns may not be drafted at all despite bing a three star kid from Miami.

That is not development.

Development is taking a kid like Calvin Pryor, a 3 star who Miami didn't even want, and getting him drafted by pick 18 after his junior year.

If you don't think Linder and Hurns developed, there's no point in even discussing this. Your argument is weak on so many points. First of all, you're assuming that draft status equals development. Did Ken Dorsey develop? Yeah, thought so.

Hurns is going to be a heck of a receiver for whoever drafts him. Very sure handed, runs excellent routes. Could be a Wes Welker type player (who was also undrafted). I'm not sure that Linder's ceiling was ever that high (as in a first round talent). He was excellent for us, which is what we needed. I'd consider that development, unlike Henderson -- who should have been a first round talent that was not developed for whatever reason people want to attribute that.

 

[NVA CANE]

To OPs question its both, but the bigger problem is development. Golden's staff just isn't developing their players to their potential. Does anyone doubt that Calvin Pryor would not have even been in the draft if he played for Golden at Miami instead of Strong at UL?

 

[OBLIVION]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

Hurns, Linder

Linder was a wildly heralded recruit who won't be drafted until at least round three, and Hurns may not be drafted at all despite bing a three star kid from Miami.

That is not development.

Development is taking a kid like Calvin Pryor, a 3 star who Miami didn't even want, and getting him drafted by pick 18 after his junior year.

If you don't think Linder and Hurns developed, there's no point in even discussing this. Your argument is weak on so many points. First of all, you're assuming that draft status equals development. Did Ken Dorsey develop? Yeah, thought so.

Hurns is going to be a heck of a receiver for whoever drafts him. Very sure handed, runs excellent routes. Could be a Wes Welker type player (who was also undrafted). I'm not sure that Linder's ceiling was ever that high (as in a first round talent). He was excellent for us, which is what we needed. I'd consider that development, unlike Henderson -- who should have been a first round talent that was not developed for whatever reason people want to attribute that.

Come on man.

That is a horrible example. Dorsey was great at the college level, but he did not have an arm to be drafted higher than what he was. He was fortunate to get drafted period. If he had Morris arm he would have been at least a 2nd day pick.

Then on top of that, your pitching a guy that played when dudes were getting developed.

 

[canesstevealum08]

So if Duke goes 2nd rd next yr he didnt develop either? nonsense. The draft is about need and production plus value to franchise.

 

[FullyERicht]

Again, a 4 star and a 3 star senior contributing to their squad, even well, isn't development.

Every single team has players that get better. It's what happens when you get older and continue to play.

Development is when you take those players and make them SPECIAL. Did you mouth breathers follow Butch Davis at all? Smfh.

 

[OBLIVION]

So if Duke goes 2nd rd next yr he didnt develop either? nonsense. The draft is about need and production plus value to franchise.

RB isn't even a premium position when it comes to the draft. So if he did get drafted in the 2nd round. It wouldn't be shocking and then add on top of that. His ability to not stay healthy for lengths of time. Would probably hurt his status as well. These are some things to take in factor when that day comes.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

Hurns, Linder

Linder was a wildly heralded recruit who won't be drafted until at least round three, and Hurns may not be drafted at all despite bing a three star kid from Miami.

That is not development.

Development is taking a kid like Calvin Pryor, a 3 star who Miami didn't even want, and getting him drafted by pick 18 after his junior year.

If you don't think Linder and Hurns developed, there's no point in even discussing this. Your argument is weak on so many points. First of all, you're assuming that draft status equals development. Did Ken Dorsey develop? Yeah, thought so.

Hurns is going to be a heck of a receiver for whoever drafts him. Very sure handed, runs excellent routes. Could be a Wes Welker type player (who was also undrafted). I'm not sure that Linder's ceiling was ever that high (as in a first round talent). He was excellent for us, which is what we needed. I'd consider that development, unlike Henderson -- who should have been a first round talent that was not developed for whatever reason people want to attribute that.

Come on man.

That is a horrible example. Dorsey was great at the college level, but he did not have an arm to be drafted higher than what he was. He was fortunate to get drafted period. If he had Morris arm he would have been at least a 2nd day pick.

Then on top of that, your pitching a guy that played when dudes were getting developed.

How is it a horrible example? It's an example of a guy who developed, but wasn't drafted high. The porster was trying to say that draft status correlates with how well a player has developed.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Again, a 4 star and a 3 star senior contributing to their squad, even well, isn't development.

Every single team has players that get better. It's what happens when you get older and continue to play.

Development is when you take those players and make them SPECIAL. Did you mouth breathers follow Butch Davis at all? Smfh.

You're dumb. And you're backtracking. Again -- no point in debating people with agendas.

 

[pbcup]

Give me one guy in this Sr. class that Al "failed" to develop as a first round pick?

Again you aren't understanding the point. We don't know who would have developed. But when your school is consistently failing to produce first rounders from a crop of players that other schools pump out into first rounders, statistically it is impossible that three different staffs just happen to be "unlucky" when it comes to who ends up being a good player.

This idea that every other school is guessing write in recruiting, including the lower rated kids, and we are constantly guessing wrong, is LAUGHABLE.

Here's the better question: what senior did Al Golden DEVELOP?

Hurns, Linder

Linder was a wildly heralded recruit who won't be drafted until at least round three, and Hurns may not be drafted at all despite bing a three star kid from Miami.

That is not development.

Development is taking a kid like Calvin Pryor, a 3 star who Miami didn't even want, and getting him drafted by pick 18 after his junior year.

By that definition, it would be impossible for us to "develop" anyone since it would have to be a player we didn't want. Not all 2 stars are the same. No amount of development gives Gaines the natural athletic ability of Mack. They may have both been 2 stars, but Gaines had a much lower cap due to his lack of athleticism. With Hurns, he had one of the best single seasons in school history as a former 3 star. How is that not development? His lower draft status is due to his limited athleticism, not production. I would argue the staff got as much out of them as they possibly could.