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2nd Quarter Swoons

423Hurricane said:
After we got into conference play and opponents had tape on us, Mario, Dawson, and Guidry have all said teams started doing stuff on both O and D they didn’t show on tape.

When we’re on offense, the opposing team plays a cover 2 shell to attempt to limit our explosives. Dawson and Cam see it and make adjustments after testing them.

Same thing when opponents are on offense they try and play keep away to limit our offensive possessions and run plays not shown on tape. Except for GT, Guidry has been pretty good making adjustments in the 2nd half.
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It’s amazing our coaches seems shocked when a team does something they don’t do on tape.
 
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Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
Well, I'm pretty sure last two games, the opponent has a 10+ play 8+ min drive in the 2nd quarter.

I never payed attention to that in previous games, but drives like that keeping our offense completely off the field def dint help.
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There’s definitely some of this to it. Here’s our number of 2nd quarter drives by game

VT - 3 (2 Punts, halftime)
Cal - 3 (FG, 2 Punts)
Louisville - 2 (2 Punts)
FSU - 2 (TD/FG)
Duke - 2 (FG/Punt)
GT - 3 (2 Punts/Downs)
WF - 2 (INT/FG)

We really haven’t seen the ball much in 2nd quarters. Part of that is the defense allowing long drives. Part of it is us being less explosive and having longer drives ourselves. And part is I think both of our non-offensive scores have come in 2nd quarters (WF pick six, Louisville fumble in end zone)

But end of the day, we’ve punted 9 times in 2nd quarters since USF and Joyce has only punted 22 times all season. Something is up in 2nd quarters.
 
BeastMode said:
It is very strange.

Cant recall if it was the 1st or 2nd quarter but cam missed #4 wide open on a roll out and instead decided he wanted to throw across his body for an almost INT in the endzone.

For such a great player he makes a few completely ridiculous decisions in each game.
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That won’t work at the next level.
 
I started a thread about this topic a week or 2 ago but could not locate efficiency numbers by quarter to substantiate it. Those numbers are interesting (in a bad way). I feel like we always move the ball but don't score and games at halftime are a lot closer than what it should be. We've given a lot of teams hope with our play after the 1st drive until halftime.
 
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AlexCane said:
I started a thread about this topic a week or 2 ago but could not locate efficiency numbers by quarter to substantiate it. Those numbers are interesting (in a bad way). I feel like we always move the ball but don't score and games at halftime are a lot closer than what it should be. We've given a lot of teams hope with our play after the 1st drive until halftime.
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Agreed

Stats can usually be manipulated but going beyond that I think all of us know watching our games week to week that it’s a legit concern

Then again our 4th quarter offense wouldn’t be as insane as it is if we would just put games away early so there’s that

But at least it would save us all on some blood pressure medication
 
This staff is not a top 25 staff, maybe not top 50. They are easy to figure out and show zero creativity or flexibility. Other staffs take advantage of us because of this. The Syracuse staff is having fun in the film room right now.
 
JHallCanes said:
Agreed

Stats can usually be manipulated but going beyond that I think all of us know watching our games week to week that it’s a legit concern

Then again our 4th quarter offense wouldn’t be as insane as it is if we would just put games away early so there’s that

But at least it would save us all on some blood pressure medication
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Cam is a cool customer. It makes him awesome and makes him who he is as a player (and in the pocket). But I think to some degree, there's a natural lull for the team because they follow his lead. Cam is obviously "calm, cool, collected" but arguably a little "too cool for school" too and I wonder if the offense doesn't have the same urgency it should have that it does late.
 
After our first scripted batch of plays, we let Cam get loosey goosey and call a bunch of pass plays is how I see it.

We re-gameplan at the half, lock in and Cam plays more within the offense and we run the ball more with intent.
 
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BeastMode said:
It is very strange.

Cant recall if it was the 1st or 2nd quarter but cam missed #4 wide open on a roll out and instead decided he wanted to throw across his body for an almost INT in the endzone.

For such a great player he makes a few completely ridiculous decisions in each game.
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Was discussing this same scenario with @JHallCanes and that was my takeaway watching it in real time. Luv Cam and his gunslinger mindset but he has to temper it a little better. This play was a prime example of that.
 
JHallCanes said:
Shoutout to @NJshoreCane for posting this before the Wake Forest game and we clearly added to our woes this week (I’ll attach screenshots at the bottom for context)

Since the USF game we have been outscored in the 2nd quarter 82-51

Our scripted and early drives are lethal and then we seemingly go into a shell on offense. What do you guys think is going on? Seems a combination of Dawson working through the defense adjusting, Cam inexplicably going cold, and odd bounces and “luck”, our defense playing terrible etc

We’ve had several chances to pull away early and we seemingly find a way to mess it up every week




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Second quarters are hard.
 
Would also add, I think Damien Martinez has looked really good here. Not a homerun hitter, but he's a pro back. Does everything. Impressed with him out of the backfield, too. Blocks. Good hands for the most part. Cool with sharing. He can play in the pros, even though the homerun ability isn't there (and watch him rip one this week).

All of that to say, 2Q should be the Damien Martinez show and we'd probably be better off. Cam can still get that work, but working with his RB and TE in checkdowns. That is the stuff he'll have to do here...and its not like Dawson doesn't run Arroyo plenty on those curls and digs and its not like Cam hasn't hit Arroyo in those, nor is Martinez not getting looks on dump offs...but feel Cam looking less downfield on the stuff we already do and doing more of it (what an NFL team is going to ask of him alot in an efficient offense)...changes most negative outcomes with this team.
 
It is interesting watching a game in person vs. on TV. While at the Wake game it was frustrating watching the 2nd quarter play out. We moved the ball, we just could not score. I still need to go back and see the Cam INT. They did not replay it but that looked bad. However, there was never a doubt in my mind we would turn it on at some point and blow them out. They simply did not have the athletes to keep up. Those are the things you can see in person. And I promise you right before Lyle busted off that run I told my sons if he gets through the line he was gone. We had a perfect view of the WF alignment and they were out leveraged and their safeties were too close to the line. Bingo! Lyle is going to be a beast next year. The way he gets from one gap to the next without missing a beat is impressive. Again, something that is hard to see on TV.
 
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Is it me, or do we start with more tempo on opening drive than in 2nd quarter? Maybe a little more tempo will help the offense. We can slow down tempo if we have a lead.
 
JayCane20 said:
IMO (and maybe I need to see the splits in terms of pass/rush attempts and yards per attempt by quarter to validate it) but watching live i nearly always think that we abandon the run in the 2nd quarter for no reason. Either trying to go for the kill shot or because we’ve fallen behind. Happened both ways but it seems to usually be trying to do too much and go for the jugular. That’s just my opinion watching it and I’ve voiced it in game threads multiple times.

Are the YPC rush numbers bad in the 2nd quarter or just the total rush yards?
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...and it gets worse:

2nd qtr rushing stats-
Attempts- 7.72 per/ 112th
YPC- 3.72 per/105th

Passing-
Attempts- 9.8 per/42nd

Funky stat.
We average 71 plays per game. That's 17.75 per qtr.
We've run 17.5 plays per in the 2nd qtr.
 
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Updated
Miami’s O rank by quarters (half in parenthesis):

Rushing
1st- 68th
2nd- 105th (92th)
3rd- 28th
4th- 5th (11th)

40th overall

Passing
1st- 2nd
2nd- 36th (5th)
3rd- 5th
4th- 1st (1st)

3rd overall (1.8 yards per from 1st)

little ticks up and down.
At this point, we are who we are.
 
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Here is a thought. 24 was used early in year on gadget plays. Usually it was motioning him to get a LB to cover. Why not bring that back in 2nd quarter? If the defense is doing things we did not account for, make them account for something they are not ready for.
 
NJshoreCane said:
Updated
Miami’s O rank by quarters (half in parenthesis):

Rushing
1st- 68th
2nd- 105th (92th)
3rd- 28th
4th- 5th (11th)

40th overall

Passing
1st- 2nd
2nd- 36th (5th)
3rd- 5th
4th- 1st (1st)

3rd overall (1.8 yards per from 1st)

little ticks up and down.
At this point, we are who we are.
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Yeah per the usual it’s a combination of a lot of factors for sure but there’s no real denying it
 
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