21 players on the rooster are Shannon recruits

[lauderdaleballer]

And what's your point? Half of the listed players are JAG's...

BTW, Shannon still sucks!

Preseason Power Rankings

1. Morris
2. Porter
3. Henderson
4. Linder
5. Hurns
6. Feliciano
7. Walford
8. Gaines
9. McDermott
10. Hagens
11. Green
12. Robinson
13. Bunche
14. Clements
15. Wheeler
16. Cain
17. Rodgers
18. Cleveland
19. Highsmith
20. Cornelius
21. Perry

Of course Shannon still sucks. Who in their right mind would say otherwise?

The point of this thread, as kkklanAlmighty pointed out, is that Goldens has been able to turn many of these guys into good players. Many of them will get SENIORITIS (as zone3cane would say) this year and could turn into the next Davon or T Screets or Ben Jones.

Golden and staff did an excellent job with TS from game 1 to the lady game of the season you witnessed a totally different player... In regards to DJ I don't give him credit for that... DJ was always talented but with the exception of his freshman year he was hurt every year... He shirted in 09 due to injury, he was in a sling in 2010, 2011 the staff didn't want to give him shot at wideout and moved him to db/special teams and I belive he even contemplated transferring(remember reading it on a dmoney blog)... As for Ben Jobes he didn't do anything here...

To be fair, I think it's unfair to compare RS and Golden... RS accepted the job with no head coaching experience, while Golden had HC experience at Temple... Golden standard shouldn't be RS(although their records are eerily similar at the same point in their careers)... Golden Standards should be compared to Butch, Jimmy, Howard and Dennis... All cane coaches who came in with HC experience... From a marketing stand point he's doing great but where's the results? Or when are the results coming? We keep throwing out the development of TS but what happened to Byrd and Benjamin their senior years both players productions took major hits... Development has never been an issue at UM... I'm sorry even under RS I witnessed Dsharpton, Cmac, Spence, Hank, Dberry(initially a criticized conversion), RHill(another productive conversion) and even DVD developed to name a few... Our issues were XO's... Our coaching has to improve... Wisky killed us in 2010 with the tightends crossing the middle and 2012 UVA did the same...

I don't want our standard for success to be measured by a failed coach... I'm hearing RS never had us qualify for ACC ship yet our defense ducked and we barely won 7 games... Al should be better than RS... But right now his record is t showing it...

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Golden standard shouldn't be RS(although their records are eerily similar at the same point in their careers)... Golden Standards should be compared to Butch, Jimmy, Howard and Dennis... All cane coaches who came in with HC experience...

If you want compare Golden to any one coach it will have to be Schnellenberger as he took over a program in dire state just like the one Golden took over..
The rest just came in after and continued what Schnellenberger set in motion.

Butch also came in to clean up crap left by DE and the sanctions but not initially. So he's also a good comparison point. And finally had his break through season his 6th year.

Interesting that each coach beginning with Schnellenberger left for the Pros except for Coker who eventually got a D1 HC gig and Shannon who became a journeyman LB coach.
Just as a point of reference to show the quality of coach that each incoming HC took after and how it digressed.

If you want to compare the situations that JJ and DE took over you will have to wait until Golden's replacement is hired.

 

[FullyERicht]

Ah, the two dark knights of Shannon, lauderdaleballer and MiamiNights (NewKirk), have come to their valiant champions defense at last!

Al Golden walked into a team that:
- didn't have a nutrition program
- 50% couldn't pass a conditioning test
- wasnt college level strength, weight, or body fat wise
- had kids who were never forced to compete
- had kids who had been corched by amateurs and local kids who couldn't even grasp a simple zone concept

- a 5 player recruiting class
- a media ****storm 24/7
- a team not allowed to play in bowls
- a team trying to recruit against an investigation that had many people certain of death penalty
- a young team after the losers of the 2008 class left
- an environment where Miami is no longer the overwhelming king of SoFla, and $EC money clouds the waters
- an environment where UF and FSU have been superior programs for a while
- the inability to bend the rules whatsoever (as all schools do), due to a massive investigation in the program (that he had nothing to do with)

Find me another UM coach who walked into a worse situation. And before you say Butch (Nights typical answer who was despised for years much like AG), Butch had it real bad. But Butch also had:

Easier to recruit:
- a school coming off a title four years prior, not 10
- an environment before UF had even won a title, and the SEC was not dominating the S of M.
- no cloud of uncertainty to negative recruit against.....the program had its penalty, just a limit on how many kids could come. No "hey don't go there bc of the death penalty coming down"

More talent, less distractions:
- better players left from the prior regime
- no pressure from local racists who were angry bc the previous coach was incompetent
- fewer bowl bans during his tenure

Other than the number of kids brought in (which he found workarounds for that no longer are allowed ie: Santana Moss), AG has had the shorter end of the stick in terms of bad situations.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Ah, the two dark knights of Shannon, lauderdaleballer and MiamiNights (NewKirk), have come to their valiant champions defense at last!

Al Golden walked into a team that:
- didn't have a nutrition program
- 50% couldn't pass a conditioning test
- wasnt college level strength, weight, or body fat wise
- had kids who were never forced to compete
- had kids who had been corched by amateurs and local kids who couldn't even grasp a simple zone concept

- a 5 player recruiting class
- a media ****storm 24/7
- a team not allowed to play in bowls
- a team trying to recruit against an investigation that had many people certain of death penalty
- a young team after the losers of the 2008 class left
- an environment where Miami is no longer the overwhelming king of SoFla, and $EC money clouds the waters
- an environment where UF and FSU have been superior programs for a while
- the inability to bend the rules whatsoever (as all schools do), due to a massive investigation in the program (that he had nothing to do with)

Find me another UM coach who walked into a worse situation. And before you say Butch (Nights typical answer who was despised for years much like AG), Butch had it real bad. But Butch also had:

Easier to recruit:
- a school coming off a title four years prior, not 10
- an environment before UF had even won a title, and the SEC was not dominating the S of M.
- no cloud of uncertainty to negative recruit against.....the program had its penalty, just a limit on how many kids could come. No "hey don't go there bc of the death penalty coming down"

More talent, less distractions:
- better players left from the prior regime
- no pressure from local racists who were angry bc the previous coach was incompetent
- fewer bowl bans during his tenure

Other than the number of kids brought in (which he found workarounds for that no longer are allowed ie: Santana Moss), AG has had the shorter end of the stick in terms of bad situations.

Man all I care about is wins... Enough with the excuses... As I stated I don't think Golden should be compared to Shannon... RS should not have been hired but your excuses are becoming tiring... I make the same excuses RS didn't have a nutritional regimen, very few players were committed when he took over and he went against a media storm... Please do actually think our investigation regarding players from 04 is a media storm? Lets rewind back to summer 06: Wille Cooper was shot, FIU brawl, Bryan Pata's Murder, and the imbeciles from ESPN was even implying ST's murder as an associate of the U when he was defending his family during robbery... We also had a young team after players from the previous classes left (as a true cane fan I refused to call any can a loser)... Get out of here with that nonsense... He still went and recruit despite families fearing to send their kids to UM...

When will we start comparing the on field results as opposed to pulling for excuses? Golden's record doesn't indicate an apparent change to our results on field... We're magnifying what he walked into but I could have sworn even Saban had similar issues... Bama was 2 years removed from a 10 win season(UM 2 years removed from 9 win season in 2011)... Jacory had his issues but who was John-Parker Wilson? Jacory may have had the school record for picks but he's top 2 among yards, completion %, tds, and completions... And Bama was on a bowl ban... As for the death penalty no one worth anything mentioned that... No one resorts to a death penalty anymore due to the tv contracts it hurts the opposing team as much as you... That wasn't an issue for receiving drinks and boat rides...

Once again all I care about is wins... You can avoid the subject by calling me a Shannon lover or whatever... I'm a cane lover and my opinions are sincere and not influenced by ulterior motives... Golden hasn't done anything as of yet... Lets remember we decided to take the bowl bans... We could have went to the bowl games if we wanted too... As always I'm rooting for my team but I'm not lauding anyone if its undeserved(Al has done some good things but not in regards to the field production)...

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Ah, the two dark knights of Shannon, lauderdaleballer and MiamiNights (NewKirk), have come to their valiant champions defense at last!

Al Golden walked into a team that:
- didn't have a nutrition program
- 50% couldn't pass a conditioning test
- wasnt college level strength, weight, or body fat wise
- had kids who were never forced to compete
- had kids who had been corched by amateurs and local kids who couldn't even grasp a simple zone concept

- a 5 player recruiting class
- a media ****storm 24/7
- a team not allowed to play in bowls
- a team trying to recruit against an investigation that had many people certain of death penalty
- a young team after the losers of the 2008 class left
- an environment where Miami is no longer the overwhelming king of SoFla, and $EC money clouds the waters
- an environment where UF and FSU have been superior programs for a while
- the inability to bend the rules whatsoever (as all schools do), due to a massive investigation in the program (that he had nothing to do with)

Find me another UM coach who walked into a worse situation. And before you say Butch (Nights typical answer who was despised for years much like AG), Butch had it real bad. But Butch also had:

Easier to recruit:
- a school coming off a title four years prior, not 10
- an environment before UF had even won a title, and the SEC was not dominating the S of M.
- no cloud of uncertainty to negative recruit against.....the program had its penalty, just a limit on how many kids could come. No "hey don't go there bc of the death penalty coming down"

More talent, less distractions:
- better players left from the prior regime
- no pressure from local racists who were angry bc the previous coach was incompetent
- fewer bowl bans during his tenure

Other than the number of kids brought in (which he found workarounds for that no longer are allowed ie: Santana Moss), AG has had the shorter end of the stick in terms of bad situations.

Golden standard shouldn't be RS(although their records are eerily similar at the same point in their careers)... Golden Standards should be compared to Butch, Jimmy, Howard and Dennis... All cane coaches who came in with HC experience...

If you want compare Golden to any one coach it will have to be Schnellenberger as he took over a program in dire state just like the one Golden took over..
The rest just came in after and continued what Schnellenberger set in motion.

Butch also came in to clean up crap left by DE and the sanctions but not initially. So he's also a good comparison point. And finally had his break through season his 6th year.

Interesting that each coach beginning with Schnellenberger left for the Pros except for Coker who eventually got a D1 HC gig and Shannon who became a journeyman LB coach.
Just as a point of reference to show the quality of coach that each incoming HC took after and how it digressed.

If you want to compare the situations that JJ and DE took over you will have to wait until Golden's replacement is hired.

My issue is all of those coaches with the exception of Erickson struggled in their initial years... However they all had their obstacles... Too be fair I can't even say Howard and Golden were in similar situations... Howard to over a squad that at one point lost to Famu... They were just straight up bad... Our team hasn't been that bad since... Each coach had their own obstacles and they all were different but as experienced HC's they found a way to right the ship... Their experience has played a role that being said I haven't seen Golden's experience work in our favor for on the field results as of now... That being said, I eventually see him bringing us back but I think we're 3years away... I think that although he's experience, he's still learning a great deal things on the job...

 

[Dandycane]

Ah, the two dark knights of Shannon, lauderdaleballer and MiamiNights (NewKirk), have come to their valiant champions defense at last!

Al Golden walked into a team that:
- didn't have a nutrition program
- 50% couldn't pass a conditioning test
- wasnt college level strength, weight, or body fat wise
- had kids who were never forced to compete
- had kids who had been corched by amateurs and local kids who couldn't even grasp a simple zone concept

- a 5 player recruiting class
- a media ****storm 24/7
- a team not allowed to play in bowls
- a team trying to recruit against an investigation that had many people certain of death penalty
- a young team after the losers of the 2008 class left
- an environment where Miami is no longer the overwhelming king of SoFla, and $EC money clouds the waters
- an environment where UF and FSU have been superior programs for a while
- the inability to bend the rules whatsoever (as all schools do), due to a massive investigation in the program (that he had nothing to do with)

Find me another UM coach who walked into a worse situation. And before you say Butch (Nights typical answer who was despised for years much like AG), Butch had it real bad. But Butch also had:

Easier to recruit:
- a school coming off a title four years prior, not 10
- an environment before UF had even won a title, and the SEC was not dominating the S of M.
- no cloud of uncertainty to negative recruit against.....the program had its penalty, just a limit on how many kids could come. No "hey don't go there bc of the death penalty coming down"

More talent, less distractions:
- better players left from the prior regime
- no pressure from local racists who were angry bc the previous coach was incompetent
- fewer bowl bans during his tenure

Other than the number of kids brought in (which he found workarounds for that no longer are allowed ie: Santana Moss), AG has had the shorter end of the stick in terms of bad situations.

Golden standard shouldn't be RS(although their records are eerily similar at the same point in their careers)... Golden Standards should be compared to Butch, Jimmy, Howard and Dennis... All cane coaches who came in with HC experience...

If you want compare Golden to any one coach it will have to be Schnellenberger as he took over a program in dire state just like the one Golden took over..
The rest just came in after and continued what Schnellenberger set in motion.

Butch also came in to clean up crap left by DE and the sanctions but not initially. So he's also a good comparison point. And finally had his break through season his 6th year.

Interesting that each coach beginning with Schnellenberger left for the Pros except for Coker who eventually got a D1 HC gig and Shannon who became a journeyman LB coach.
Just as a point of reference to show the quality of coach that each incoming HC took after and how it digressed.

If you want to compare the situations that JJ and DE took over you will have to wait until Golden's replacement is hired.

My issue is all of those coaches with the exception of Erickson struggled in their initial years... However they all had their obstacles... Too be fair I can't even say Howard and Golden were in similar situations... Howard to over a squad that at one point lost to Famu... They were just straight up bad... Our team hasn't been that bad since... Each coach had their own obstacles and they all were different but as experienced HC's they found a way to right the ship... Their experience has played a role that being said I haven't seen Golden's experience work in our favor for on the field results as of now... That being said, I eventually see him bringing us back but I think we're 3years away... I think that although he's experience, he's still learning a great deal things on the job...

It is true, Golden is only 43. suffice it to say he is learning on this gig as well. However, as recruiting has indicated...he picks things up quick and makes adjustments.

 

[Newkirk]

Neither does your post.

Let me make it easy for you. Golden isn't the first coach in NCAA history that was forced or had to play a large number of first year players on defense.

The coaching on the defensive side of the ball sucked in 2012.

What percentage of fault do you attribute to the following variables?

A. Coach D

B. Jethro

C. Freshman and Youth

D. Players like Darrius Smith and the lack of talent around him

Let me know

Lets see here..the coaches get the blame for the players and inept coaching. Golden recruited Smith and alot of the talent that surrounded him. That falls on the coaches. Hc mostly since he sets the table.

Golden brought in jethro also. Do you see a trend?

I see the history Nites. It's obvious I can't tell where Radios cack ends and your head begins. If only your savior was still here to turn the program around. He's not because Donna fired him after I sat in Sunlife watching my Canes lose to USF in miserable fashion. I was walking out of the stadium and I told the group I was with that I hope they enjoyed the game because if Radio is HC after that embarrassment I will no longer be a season ticket holder until he's **** canned. The football gods must have heard me because he was fired before we made it home. Everybody shouted for joy.

And then guess what happened Nites? Donna hired a Head Coach who can actually speak English. Someone who actually has a plan and is competent enough to execute that plan. Hallelujah!!! Thank you little baby Jesus!

Like I said, sooooo glad that loser is in Arkansas.

I'll take that as a yea. You see a trend.

 

[FullyERicht]

LOLOL Lauderdaleballer the most clueless of all time porsters.

Google "Miami football death penalty"......then tell me "no one talked about it". The goddam NCAA pres even said "it's not off the table". Did you follow this story AT ALL???

Comparing us to Alabama is retarded. How Alabama operates and how we operate couldn't be more polar opposite. Comparing anyone to Saban makes it even worse. When has Miami ever gone out and bought a Hall of Fame coach for 8 mil a year? WHEN??? At what point were coaches negative recruiting against Saban with the line: "son, you don't want to go there, they aren't going to have a program next year"??? Bc that has been a repeating line against us for THREE CYCLES!

The problem you have is that you truly believe that Shannon was a decent coach who just "wasn't ready and couldn't get over the hump". As a result, in your warped mind, you believed whoever came in after him would simply push us over that hump and back to prominence. THAT is why fools like you and Nights talk about "results" after two seasons; you thought Shannon built something for someone to run with to that next level. And when that didn't happen, you blame the new coach.

In REALITY, your piece of trash hero not only didn't set the next coach up, he basically put the program on life support. And as such the fans who understand how truly bad Randy was DIDN'T EXPECT AG TO WIN IMMEDIATELY. They understood that this was a MAJOR REBUILD. Not bc AG is "learning on the job", but bc NOBODY, not even Saban, was going to turn the Shannon disaster around immediately.

That's your issue. You cannot see how bad Randy was, and if you acknowledge how difficult a job this was for AG, it forces you to accept that Randy was the WOAT corch.

 

[Newkirk]

Ah, the two dark knights of Shannon, lauderdaleballer and MiamiNights (NewKirk), have come to their valiant champions defense at last!

Al Golden walked into a team that:
- didn't have a nutrition program
- 50% couldn't pass a conditioning test
- wasnt college level strength, weight, or body fat wise
- had kids who were never forced to compete
- had kids who had been corched by amateurs and local kids who couldn't even grasp a simple zone concept

- a 5 player recruiting class
- a media ****storm 24/7
- a team not allowed to play in bowls
- a team trying to recruit against an investigation that had many people certain of death penalty
- a young team after the losers of the 2008 class left
- an environment where Miami is no longer the overwhelming king of SoFla, and $EC money clouds the waters
- an environment where UF and FSU have been superior programs for a while
- the inability to bend the rules whatsoever (as all schools do), due to a massive investigation in the program (that he had nothing to do with)

Find me another UM coach who walked into a worse situation. And before you say Butch (Nights typical answer who was despised for years much like AG), Butch had it real bad. But Butch also had:

Easier to recruit:
- a school coming off a title four years prior, not 10
- an environment before UF had even won a title, and the SEC was not dominating the S of M.
- no cloud of uncertainty to negative recruit against.....the program had its penalty, just a limit on how many kids could come. No "hey don't go there bc of the death penalty coming down"

More talent, less distractions:
- better players left from the prior regime
- no pressure from local racists who were angry bc the previous coach was incompetent
- fewer bowl bans during his tenure

Other than the number of kids brought in (which he found workarounds for that no longer are allowed ie: Santana Moss), AG has had the shorter end of the stick in terms of bad situations.

Do you have links to back all this bs up and data to support how this effects a team? The majority of your post are embellishments on your part. What nutrition plan was the 2001 team on? College level strength? Show me some numbers between this team and say....the 2001 team? How about last years team and the 2010 team?

Players that never had to compete? Silly. I could go on but you get picture.

 

[Newkirk]

LOLOL Lauderdaleballer the most clueless of all time porsters.

Google "Miami football death penalty"......then tell me "no one talked about it". The goddam NCAA pres even said "it's not off the table". Did you follow this story AT ALL???

Comparing us to Alabama is retarded. How Alabama operates and how we operate couldn't be more polar opposite. Comparing anyone to Saban makes it even worse. When has Miami ever gone out and bought a Hall of Fame coach for 8 mil a year? WHEN??? At what point were coaches negative recruiting against Saban with the line: "son, you don't want to go there, they aren't going to have a program next year"??? Bc that has been a repeating line against us for THREE CYCLES!

The problem you have is that you truly believe that Shannon was a decent coach who just "wasn't ready and couldn't get over the hump". As a result, in your warped mind, you believed whoever came in after him would simply push us over that hump and back to prominence. THAT is why fools like you and Nights talk about "results" after two seasons; you thought Shannon built something for someone to run with to that next level. And when that didn't happen, you blame the new coach.

In REALITY, your piece of trash hero not only didn't set the next coach up, he basically put the program on life support. And as such the fans who understand how truly bad Randy was DIDN'T EXPECT AG TO WIN IMMEDIATELY. They understood that this was a MAJOR REBUILD. Not bc AG is "learning on the job", but bc NOBODY, not even Saban, was going to turn the Shannon disaster around immediately.

That's your issue. You cannot see how bad Randy was, and if you acknowledge how difficult a job this was for AG, it forces you to accept that Randy was the WOAT corch.

You talk about not comparing Saban to anyone then say "no one, not even Saban could win immediatly here". Figures. Golden did a **** poor job in year one while having one of the most talented and experienced rosters in the acc. Look at all the players from the 2011 team who made nfl teams and then look at Boston college. But yea, golden had a total rebuild while inheriting. A bunch of guys who wer able to make nfl teams. Meanwhile, Boston college...who had one guy make an nfl squad was just loaded.

 

[FullyERicht]

Where are these mighty NFL players you always speak of Nites? Jacory? not in the NFL. BWash? Not in the NFL. Streeter? Bout to be cut. Forston? Practice squad. Spence? Backup at best. Vernon? Backup who didn't play half the season here with AG. Miller? Backup. Ojomo? Regis? Where are the players???

Where are the players BEHIND those guys that made the NFL this season??? We had two late round picks this year, total. THAT is what AG was left.

You want data? Here's the data: "Fifty percent of the team failed the conditioning test" - Andreu Swasey, Al Golden. 50% is a number even your mind can comprehend.

Does that sound like a good team to you???? A well coached team?? HALF THE SQUAD COULDN'T PASS AL'S CONDITIONING TEST. I have never in my life heard of any team in any sport where 50% of the players were so poorly trained they couldn't pass a conditioning test. That is an abomination. And THAT is what Golden inherited.

I never said the looming sanctions effected Xs and Os. But when you are fielding a team with no depth, and you are desperate to fill slots with some JUCOs, you are fighting an uphill battle when these JUCOs don't want to play for a team that easily could have never played in the postseason during their two years.

THAT is why they had to take garbage like Darius Smith. I don't care if Christ himself was recruiting for the U; you are not convincing a JUCO with 8 SEC offers to come to a program that is not allowed to play in postseason and may face the death penalty according to other programs and the media. THAT is what AG inherited.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Bout to be cut. Forston? Practice squad.

MD DT Joe Vellano and Forston are in a battle for playing time on the DL for the pats
:eekeyes:

 

[k9cane]

For those defending Shannon as a head coach, I have on question....

Do you think he was/is a good one?

 

[Notsince1985]

Ah, the two dark knights of Shannon, lauderdaleballer and MiamiNights (NewKirk), have come to their valiant champions defense at last!

Al Golden walked into a team that:
- didn't have a nutrition program
- 50% couldn't pass a conditioning test
- wasnt college level strength, weight, or body fat wise
- had kids who were never forced to compete
- had kids who had been corched by amateurs and local kids who couldn't even grasp a simple zone concept

- a 5 player recruiting class
- a media ****storm 24/7
- a team not allowed to play in bowls
- a team trying to recruit against an investigation that had many people certain of death penalty
- a young team after the losers of the 2008 class left
- an environment where Miami is no longer the overwhelming king of SoFla, and $EC money clouds the waters
- an environment where UF and FSU have been superior programs for a while
- the inability to bend the rules whatsoever (as all schools do), due to a massive investigation in the program (that he had nothing to do with)

Find me another UM coach who walked into a worse situation. And before you say Butch (Nights typical answer who was despised for years much like AG), Butch had it real bad. But Butch also had:

Easier to recruit:
- a school coming off a title four years prior, not 10
- an environment before UF had even won a title, and the SEC was not dominating the S of M.
- no cloud of uncertainty to negative recruit against.....the program had its penalty, just a limit on how many kids could come. No "hey don't go there bc of the death penalty coming down"

More talent, less distractions:
- better players left from the prior regime
- no pressure from local racists who were angry bc the previous coach was incompetent
- fewer bowl bans during his tenure

Other than the number of kids brought in (which he found workarounds for that no longer are allowed ie: Santana Moss), AG has had the shorter end of the stick in terms of bad situations.

Golden standard shouldn't be RS(although their records are eerily similar at the same point in their careers)... Golden Standards should be compared to Butch, Jimmy, Howard and Dennis... All cane coaches who came in with HC experience...

If you want compare Golden to any one coach it will have to be Schnellenberger as he took over a program in dire state just like the one Golden took over..
The rest just came in after and continued what Schnellenberger set in motion.

Butch also came in to clean up crap left by DE and the sanctions but not initially. So he's also a good comparison point. And finally had his break through season his 6th year.

Interesting that each coach beginning with Schnellenberger left for the Pros except for Coker who eventually got a D1 HC gig and Shannon who became a journeyman LB coach.
Just as a point of reference to show the quality of coach that each incoming HC took after and how it digressed.

If you want to compare the situations that JJ and DE took over you will have to wait until Golden's replacement is hired.

My issue is all of those coaches with the exception of Erickson struggled in their initial years... However they all had their obstacles... Too be fair I can't even say Howard and Golden were in similar situations... Howard to over a squad that at one point lost to Famu... They were just straight up bad... Our team hasn't been that bad since... Each coach had their own obstacles and they all were different but as experienced HC's they found a way to right the ship... Their experience has played a role that being said I haven't seen Golden's experience work in our favor for on the field results as of now... That being said, I eventually see him bringing us back but I think we're 3years away... I think that although he's experience, he's still learning a great deal things on the job...

Howard actually lost to FAMU in his first year, 1979 in Tally.

 

[Newkirk]

For those defending Shannon as a head coach, I have on question....

Do you think he was/is a good one?

Shannon sucked as a hc and no one is defending him in that manner. The depths at which he left this team are greatly exaggerated.

The fact is golden aint done mich better than Shannon did after 2 years while walking into a better situation. Shannon had a 245 guy playing dt and the previous spring was so bad he was forced to use a punter as a wr. Golden inherited 3 wr's who were able to make nfl teams. I'm not saying he inherited some great team and players but he inherited a better team and situation than Shannon did when he took over, and what Boston college or **** even 2-10 Maryland.

 

[FullyERicht]

For those defending Shannon as a head coach, I have on question....

Do you think he was/is a good one?

Shannon sucked as a hc and no one is defending him in that manner. The depths at which he left this team are greatly exaggerated.

The fact is golden aint done mich better than Shannon did after 2 years while walking into a better situation. Shannon had a 245 guy playing dt and the previous spring was so bad he was forced to use a punter as a wr. Golden inherited 3 wr's who were able to make nfl teams. I'm not saying he inherited some great team and players but he inherited a better team and situation than Shannon did when he took over, and what Boston college or **** even 2-10 Maryland.

Ok MiamiNites, here's a little survey for you, lauderdaleballer, and the rest of the people on here who think what AG inherited wasn't a mess:

Would you rate Randy Shannon's four years here as:

A) elite
B) good
C) average
D) below average
E) poor

 

[Newkirk]

Pointless question. Again Shannon sucked as hc but that doesn't mean he didnt leave any talent behind. The current starting o-line and the best back ups are Shannon guys save for the kid from norland. Johnson committed to Shannon, Dorsett committed to Shannon, several kids off the 2011 team made nfl 53 man opening day rosters .

That's alot better than say .... 4-8 bc or 2-10 Maryland. I mean did those coaches inherit elite situations? **** Boston college lost more starts due to injury/ suspension than Miami did and still beat Miami at home.

 

[FullyERicht]

It's not a pointless question. You said "Shannon was bad". I want to know how bad you think he was. What was bad about him? What were his failings?

Fortunately for those local guaranteed-to-play-for-Miami kids like Duke and Dorsett, they actually have received proper coaching and a real S and C program.

Please indulge us on why Shannon failed and what was bad about him. It might help someone like me understand what you want from AG.

 

[Newkirk]

I go off of what I've seen. Maybe golden showers or canealmighty can point out to me one example of a something positive that golden did as a coach during games on Saturday that leads them to believe he's some great or even good coach.

I didnt see anything last year. I'm not talking about moral victories I'm talking about something tangible like did he beat a ranked team or did he coach his way into a closely contested game vs an overwhelming opponent? There must be something.

 

[FullyERicht]

I'm not talking about Al Golden. We have already established through the years you were against his hiring, were unimpressed with what he did at Temple, and preferred to hire Jim Harbaugh (despite him getting hired by AN NFL FRANCHISE).

I want you to finally clarify why you thought Randy was "bad". Bc I can't understand how if you thought Randy was bad, you wouldn't at least have given his successor some time to fix things. I can only assume you don't really think Randy was all that bad, and I'd like you to clarify for the board.