2018 DT Michael Thompson

[BoxingRobes]

This is the kind of **** we should be used to.

Half *** interior DL recruiting by not doing our homework extremely early in the cycle...slow play or not recruit more then qualified locals for "reasons"...narrow the focus to a few recruits that by November start to show their cards, and we arent in the picture for all but 1...maybe 2 of them. By December, start scrambling for uncommitted players, JUCO kids, and "late blooming" *** kids. A bunch of free trips are had by non serious recruits.

End up with nothing or some low end *** consulation prize.

I’m here for you if you need to talk, brother. Don’t do anything rash.

Good Brother...end of the recruiting cycle always gets me mad online.

 

[Miami Nights]

He looked better than i thought he would today

Whatever that ***** means lol

 

[KrazyCane]

Why do you all believe this staff hasn't evaluated any DT prospects all year and now only have some 2 star d3 prospects to choose from?? Are you really this stupid?

 

[bransuperpower]

He looked better than i thought he would today

You didn’t expect the #2 ranked DT in the class.. the biggest DT in the game.. to look good in an all star game?

I’ve read that some of the schools that were recruiting him were wanting him at oline

Espn has him ranked as a 4 star OT.

Kendrick Norton was a guard prospect

 

[brock]

Why do you all believe this staff hasn't evaluated any DT prospects all year and now only have some 2 star d3 prospects to choose from?? Are you really this stupid?

Some are that stupid

 

[Miami Nights]

Fwiw, richt has been criticized by Georgia fans over the years by inconsistently (and sometimes poorly) recruiting QBs and linemen.

QB’s? Really?

Yep. We’ve had many discussions on this board about richt’s inconsistent qb recruiting over the last 10 years. Not a lot of success stories there over the past 10 years.

Not surprised. Chit you think rich was going to the spreads but then he recruits a qb like ****cowski and it leaves you wondering wtf is this dude trying to do. I don't think he even knows. Needs to figure out what kinds offense he wants to run an d go with it. Been a coach too long to be this confused

 

[canesthing3]

Fwiw, richt has been criticized by Georgia fans over the years by inconsistently (and sometimes poorly) recruiting QBs and linemen.

Can you point me to where all this criticism is? Or is it something you just made up because you thought it sounded good?

 

[canesthing3]

Fwiw, richt has been criticized by Georgia fans over the years by inconsistently (and sometimes poorly) recruiting QBs and linemen.

QB’s? Really?

Yep. We’ve had many discussions on this board about richt’s inconsistent qb recruiting over the last 10 years. Not a lot of success stories there over the past 10 years.

Not surprised. Chit you think rich was going to the spreads but then he recruits a qb like ****cowski and it leaves you wondering wtf is this dude trying to do. I don't think he even knows. Needs to figure out what kinds offense he wants to run an d go with it. Been a coach too long to be this confused

I'm sorry isn't Jarren Williams the QB in this class? TF are you talking about? Sitz isn't coming here guys, hasn't been for months so try to find something else to hate on the coach with. Or do you not like Jarren because he's not a track star?

 

[jkaz1]

Thompson was definitely the best looking DT on the West squad.

Silvera was solid for the East and Belk looked good, too.

Hope that Thompson makes the visit. If he does, we could have a chance. We'll see.

As for Richt and QBs - what counts is what he does at Miami. Perry, Weldon and Williams looks pretty good for the past 2 recruiting cycles.

 

[AUcane]

Fwiw, richt has been criticized by Georgia fans over the years by inconsistently (and sometimes poorly) recruiting QBs and linemen.

Can you point me to where all this criticism is? Or is it something you just made up because you thought it sounded good?

On this board, on 247 Georgia board, etc. It was many months ago - feel free to search if you’d like

 

[KrazyCane]

Not surprised. Chit you think rich was going to the spreads but then he recruits a qb like ****cowski and it leaves you wondering wtf is this dude trying to do. I don't think he even knows. Needs to figure out what kinds offense he wants to run an d go with it. Been a coach too long to be this confused

Lol another clown poRst. Obviously Coach Richt saw potential in Sitkowski, continued to evaluate him his senior year, didn't like what he saw and moved on...wtf are u talking about joker?

 

[KrazyCane]

Fwiw, richt has been criticized by Georgia fans over the years by inconsistently (and sometimes poorly) recruiting QBs and linemen.

Can you point me to where all this criticism is? Or is it something you just made up because you thought it sounded good?

On this board, on 247 Georgia board, etc. It was many months ago - feel free to search if you’d like

Anybody can go on any college football fan message board and see weirdos poRsting about what they don't like about the current staff. Your mentioning of how some UGA poRsters felt about thier recruiting classes , that always ended up among the best in the country, is irrelevant.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Legit shot or 4 pages of bs ?

 

[gogeta4]

Fwiw, richt has been criticized by Georgia fans over the years by inconsistently (and sometimes poorly) recruiting QBs and linemen.

Can you point me to where all this criticism is? Or is it something you just made up because you thought it sounded good?

On this board, on 247 Georgia board, etc. It was many months ago - feel free to search if you’d like

its like these dudes dont realize richt had a uva 2nd string type starting for them..and offered guys like fauton bauta. Its part of the reason he was canned. Had he hit on his qb evals in some of those years he would be there as guys like cam, deshaun watson were program changers

 

[BoxingRobes]

We are talking about DT, so not sure why you'd mention Chad Thomas, Harris, Jackson. McIntosh, Norton, and Moten - that is what was left after four years of recruiting, and reading the board, they are all late or undrafted players, so, not sure if you are using that as a good thing or a bad thing. The attrition was horrible under Golden at the position.

First of all, my point was that Golden in fact left a deep DL. And some of our Ends have lined up inside on passing downs. But if we focus solely on interior guys, then Golden left McIntosh, Norton, Willis, Moten, Courtel Jenkins and Fines. That ain’t bad at all. It’s better than Richt would be leaving now if he skipped town. To complete the earlier point, Golden also left AQM, Patchan and Joe Jackson as a commitment at End (not mentioned above).

And by Year 3, only Willis would be left. This is the problem, there is no depth or consistency in recruiting the position adequately and Richt in his first two years hasn't exactly made up for it. Golden left talent, but his last two classes were loaded with interior line because of his inability to get them in previous years.

With that said, the best he left on the interior was an ACC Third teamer and Honorable Mention (since, as you list below, you don't like draft projection). Stretching it to DE, again, some honorable mention players. I like them subjectively, but objectively, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that what Golden left was some riches. Jenkins left, Fines left and never played anyway and Willis...I understand the talent, but what has he given us yet? Moten was a good soldier backup, and the starters, as mentioned...they are varying degrees of good. PFF was likely the high man on McIntosh according to their metric.

In summary...I think you're overrating the talent and definitely the depth to frame your argument.

Can't be saying Norton isn't an NFL player but then holding him up as an example of something positive from Golden.

This is clearly false. The idea that NFL potential is what we are supposed to be generating is part of what has so tanked this program. Guys can be very good college players but not first round nfl prospects. Heisman wnner Gino Toretta was that. Ken Dorsey was. Using the nfl draft to validate whether a kid was a good recruit or not misses the point of college football, which is to win the games, not generate pros.

Norton is absolutely an example of something positive from Golden. That is indisputable by anyone. And I write this as a person who couldn’t stand Golden. But Norton has played since his true frosh year, and been an important part of a D that has helped us progress as a team the past two years. He may not be as good as his accolytes hope, but that doesn’t define him. He was not a top ranked kid. Golden recruited and signed him. Those are facts.

You make a similar comment in the first quote I posted also, just broader than Norton. Sorry, but IMO you’re just way off in your view of these guys as it relates to the NFL. McIntosh, Norton, Thomas, Harris, D. Jax, etc. ... that is a very good college line. If your standard for recruiting is all high NFL draft picks, you’re going to be disappointed and despite that, we could do fine while you’re disappointed.

Even if you look at college accolades, production, etc.

You are subjectively overrating the talent. Objectively, your mileage is going to vary on how to rate them, especially Norton. Looking like a mid-late round pick...honorable mention all-conference player. Either way, none of the above outside of Chad Thomas (and this is getting away from the main point) is someone that can compete with the talent on Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, and other top teams in the country. Miami's line as currently constructed can not compete with the best. Its 2018 construction, can't compete with the best.

I'm never ok with "fine"...so...color me disappointed.

 

[Ethnicsands]

We are talking about DT, so not sure why you'd mention Chad Thomas, Harris, Jackson. McIntosh, Norton, and Moten - that is what was left after four years of recruiting, and reading the board, they are all late or undrafted players, so, not sure if you are using that as a good thing or a bad thing. The attrition was horrible under Golden at the position.

First of all, my point was that Golden in fact left a deep DL. And some of our Ends have lined up inside on passing downs. But if we focus solely on interior guys, then Golden left McIntosh, Norton, Willis, Moten, Courtel Jenkins and Fines. That ain’t bad at all. It’s better than Richt would be leaving now if he skipped town. To complete the earlier point, Golden also left AQM, Patchan and Joe Jackson as a commitment at End (not mentioned above).

And by Year 3, only Willis would be left. This is the problem, there is no depth or consistency in recruiting the position adequately and Richt in his first two years hasn't exactly made up for it. Golden left talent, but his last two classes were loaded with interior line because of his inability to get them in previous years.

With that said, the best he left on the interior was an ACC Third teamer and Honorable Mention (since, as you list below, you don't like draft projection). Stretching it to DE, again, some honorable mention players. I like them subjectively, but objectively, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that what Golden left was some riches. Jenkins left, Fines left and never played anyway and Willis...I understand the talent, but what has he given us yet? Moten was a good soldier backup, and the starters, as mentioned...they are varying degrees of good. PFF was likely the high man on McIntosh according to their metric.

In summary...I think you're overrating the talent and definitely the depth to frame your argument.

Can't be saying Norton isn't an NFL player but then holding him up as an example of something positive from Golden.

This is clearly false. The idea that NFL potential is what we are supposed to be generating is part of what has so tanked this program. Guys can be very good college players but not first round nfl prospects. Heisman wnner Gino Toretta was that. Ken Dorsey was. Using the nfl draft to validate whether a kid was a good recruit or not misses the point of college football, which is to win the games, not generate pros.

Norton is absolutely an example of something positive from Golden. That is indisputable by anyone. And I write this as a person who couldn’t stand Golden. But Norton has played since his true frosh year, and been an important part of a D that has helped us progress as a team the past two years. He may not be as good as his accolytes hope, but that doesn’t define him. He was not a top ranked kid. Golden recruited and signed him. Those are facts.

You make a similar comment in the first quote I posted also, just broader than Norton. Sorry, but IMO you’re just way off in your view of these guys as it relates to the NFL. McIntosh, Norton, Thomas, Harris, D. Jax, etc. ... that is a very good college line. If your standard for recruiting is all high NFL draft picks, you’re going to be disappointed and despite that, we could do fine while you’re disappointed.

Even if you look at college accolades, production, etc.

You are subjectively overrating the talent. Objectively, your mileage is going to vary on how to rate them, especially Norton. Looking like a mid-late round pick...honorable mention all-conference player. Either way, none of the above outside of Chad Thomas (and this is getting away from the main point) is someone that can compete with the talent on Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, and other top teams in the country. Miami's line as currently constructed can not compete with the best. Its 2018 construction, can't compete with the best.

I'm never ok with "fine"...so...color me disappointed.

You are trying too hard.

Golden left Richt with 3 years of Norton, McIntosh and Willis. Two years of Moten. Two of Jenkins iirc (think he left with a year to go). What more do you expect? It isn’t Golden’s fault that Jenkins left, or Norton and McIntosh may leave early. Blaming him for that is dumb. And Norton and McIntosh as seniors backed up by would absolutely be a good interior DL — better than most or perhaps all that we’ve had since Butch’s guys left.

Look, I can’t stand Golden and I agree people overrate talent and fail to see what is needed to cmpete with Alabama. But you can go too far in your retort as well, and IMO you have done so. We have bigger problems as a roster and program than the DL golden left.

 

[BoxingRobes]

We are talking about DT, so not sure why you'd mention Chad Thomas, Harris, Jackson. McIntosh, Norton, and Moten - that is what was left after four years of recruiting, and reading the board, they are all late or undrafted players, so, not sure if you are using that as a good thing or a bad thing. The attrition was horrible under Golden at the position.

First of all, my point was that Golden in fact left a deep DL. And some of our Ends have lined up inside on passing downs. But if we focus solely on interior guys, then Golden left McIntosh, Norton, Willis, Moten, Courtel Jenkins and Fines. That ain’t bad at all. It’s better than Richt would be leaving now if he skipped town. To complete the earlier point, Golden also left AQM, Patchan and Joe Jackson as a commitment at End (not mentioned above).

And by Year 3, only Willis would be left. This is the problem, there is no depth or consistency in recruiting the position adequately and Richt in his first two years hasn't exactly made up for it. Golden left talent, but his last two classes were loaded with interior line because of his inability to get them in previous years.

With that said, the best he left on the interior was an ACC Third teamer and Honorable Mention (since, as you list below, you don't like draft projection). Stretching it to DE, again, some honorable mention players. I like them subjectively, but objectively, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that what Golden left was some riches. Jenkins left, Fines left and never played anyway and Willis...I understand the talent, but what has he given us yet? Moten was a good soldier backup, and the starters, as mentioned...they are varying degrees of good. PFF was likely the high man on McIntosh according to their metric.

In summary...I think you're overrating the talent and definitely the depth to frame your argument.

Can't be saying Norton isn't an NFL player but then holding him up as an example of something positive from Golden.

This is clearly false. The idea that NFL potential is what we are supposed to be generating is part of what has so tanked this program. Guys can be very good college players but not first round nfl prospects. Heisman wnner Gino Toretta was that. Ken Dorsey was. Using the nfl draft to validate whether a kid was a good recruit or not misses the point of college football, which is to win the games, not generate pros.

Norton is absolutely an example of something positive from Golden. That is indisputable by anyone. And I write this as a person who couldn’t stand Golden. But Norton has played since his true frosh year, and been an important part of a D that has helped us progress as a team the past two years. He may not be as good as his accolytes hope, but that doesn’t define him. He was not a top ranked kid. Golden recruited and signed him. Those are facts.

You make a similar comment in the first quote I posted also, just broader than Norton. Sorry, but IMO you’re just way off in your view of these guys as it relates to the NFL. McIntosh, Norton, Thomas, Harris, D. Jax, etc. ... that is a very good college line. If your standard for recruiting is all high NFL draft picks, you’re going to be disappointed and despite that, we could do fine while you’re disappointed.

Even if you look at college accolades, production, etc.

You are subjectively overrating the talent. Objectively, your mileage is going to vary on how to rate them, especially Norton. Looking like a mid-late round pick...honorable mention all-conference player. Either way, none of the above outside of Chad Thomas (and this is getting away from the main point) is someone that can compete with the talent on Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, and other top teams in the country. Miami's line as currently constructed can not compete with the best. Its 2018 construction, can't compete with the best.

I'm never ok with "fine"...so...color me disappointed.

You are trying too hard.

Golden left Richt with 3 years of Norton, McIntosh and Willis. Two years of Moten. Two of Jenkins iirc (think he left with a year to go). What more do you expect? It isn’t Golden’s fault that Jenkins left, or Norton and McIntosh may leave early. Blaming him for that is dumb. And Norton and McIntosh as seniors backed up by would absolutely be a good interior DL — better than most or perhaps all that we’ve had since Butch’s guys left.

Look, I can’t stand Golden and I agree people overrate talent and fail to see what is needed to cmpete with Alabama. But you can go too far in your retort as well, and IMO you have done so. We have bigger problems as a roster and program than the DL golden left.

There is no try hard here...its not even a bash Golden topic...its not just about the DL Golden left...its about a series of coaches that have a similar pattern of underrecruiting defensive line, especially the interior. There is some talent...sure...but the depth, especially quality depth, isn't there. Golden extended a trend that started before he got here...and we are starting to see the same develop under Richt. Which is the point. There is no need to try hard. The numbers are the numbers. There needs to be a quota and they aren't meeting it. Golden was used as an example because to fill numbers he would scramble last minute to acquire luke warm bodies. It feels as though, in Richt's third class, we are just about arriving to that train station.

 

[dukebeeasy305]

We are talking about DT, so not sure why you'd mention Chad Thomas, Harris, Jackson. McIntosh, Norton, and Moten - that is what was left after four years of recruiting, and reading the board, they are all late or undrafted players, so, not sure if you are using that as a good thing or a bad thing. The attrition was horrible under Golden at the position.

First of all, my point was that Golden in fact left a deep DL. And some of our Ends have lined up inside on passing downs. But if we focus solely on interior guys, then Golden left McIntosh, Norton, Willis, Moten, Courtel Jenkins and Fines. That ain’t bad at all. It’s better than Richt would be leaving now if he skipped town. To complete the earlier point, Golden also left AQM, Patchan and Joe Jackson as a commitment at End (not mentioned above).

And by Year 3, only Willis would be left. This is the problem, there is no depth or consistency in recruiting the position adequately and Richt in his first two years hasn't exactly made up for it. Golden left talent, but his last two classes were loaded with interior line because of his inability to get them in previous years.

With that said, the best he left on the interior was an ACC Third teamer and Honorable Mention (since, as you list below, you don't like draft projection). Stretching it to DE, again, some honorable mention players. I like them subjectively, but objectively, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that what Golden left was some riches. Jenkins left, Fines left and never played anyway and Willis...I understand the talent, but what has he given us yet? Moten was a good soldier backup, and the starters, as mentioned...they are varying degrees of good. PFF was likely the high man on McIntosh according to their metric.

In summary...I think you're overrating the talent and definitely the depth to frame your argument.

Can't be saying Norton isn't an NFL player but then holding him up as an example of something positive from Golden.

This is clearly false. The idea that NFL potential is what we are supposed to be generating is part of what has so tanked this program. Guys can be very good college players but not first round nfl prospects. Heisman wnner Gino Toretta was that. Ken Dorsey was. Using the nfl draft to validate whether a kid was a good recruit or not misses the point of college football, which is to win the games, not generate pros.

Norton is absolutely an example of something positive from Golden. That is indisputable by anyone. And I write this as a person who couldn’t stand Golden. But Norton has played since his true frosh year, and been an important part of a D that has helped us progress as a team the past two years. He may not be as good as his accolytes hope, but that doesn’t define him. He was not a top ranked kid. Golden recruited and signed him. Those are facts.

You make a similar comment in the first quote I posted also, just broader than Norton. Sorry, but IMO you’re just way off in your view of these guys as it relates to the NFL. McIntosh, Norton, Thomas, Harris, D. Jax, etc. ... that is a very good college line. If your standard for recruiting is all high NFL draft picks, you’re going to be disappointed and despite that, we could do fine while you’re disappointed.

Even if you look at college accolades, production, etc.

You are subjectively overrating the talent. Objectively, your mileage is going to vary on how to rate them, especially Norton. Looking like a mid-late round pick...honorable mention all-conference player. Either way, none of the above outside of Chad Thomas (and this is getting away from the main point) is someone that can compete with the talent on Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, and other top teams in the country. Miami's line as currently constructed can not compete with the best. Its 2018 construction, can't compete with the best.

I'm never ok with "fine"...so...color me disappointed.

You are trying too hard.

Golden left Richt with 3 years of Norton, McIntosh and Willis. Two years of Moten. Two of Jenkins iirc (think he left with a year to go). What more do you expect? It isn’t Golden’s fault that Jenkins left, or Norton and McIntosh may leave early. Blaming him for that is dumb. And Norton and McIntosh as seniors backed up by would absolutely be a good interior DL — better than most or perhaps all that we’ve had since Butch’s guys left.

Look, I can’t stand Golden and I agree people overrate talent and fail to see what is needed to cmpete with Alabama. But you can go too far in your retort as well, and IMO you have done so. We have bigger problems as a roster and program than the DL golden left.

There is no try hard here...its not even a bash Golden topic...its not just about the DL Golden left...its about a series of coaches that have a similar pattern of underrecruiting defensive line, especially the interior. There is some talent...sure...but the depth, especially quality depth, isn't there. Golden extended a trend that started before he got here...and we are starting to see the same develop under Richt. Which is the point. There is no need to try hard. The numbers are the numbers. There needs to be a quota and they aren't meeting it. Golden was used as an example because to fill numbers he would scramble last minute to acquire luke warm bodies. It feels as though, in Richt's third class, we are just about arriving to that train station.

Just a question how many Interior DL is expected per class and expected to be on the roster at a time?

 

[Ethnicsands]

We are talking about DT, so not sure why you'd mention Chad Thomas, Harris, Jackson. McIntosh, Norton, and Moten - that is what was left after four years of recruiting, and reading the board, they are all late or undrafted players, so, not sure if you are using that as a good thing or a bad thing. The attrition was horrible under Golden at the position.

First of all, my point was that Golden in fact left a deep DL. And some of our Ends have lined up inside on passing downs. But if we focus solely on interior guys, then Golden left McIntosh, Norton, Willis, Moten, Courtel Jenkins and Fines. That ain’t bad at all. It’s better than Richt would be leaving now if he skipped town. To complete the earlier point, Golden also left AQM, Patchan and Joe Jackson as a commitment at End (not mentioned above).

And by Year 3, only Willis would be left. This is the problem, there is no depth or consistency in recruiting the position adequately and Richt in his first two years hasn't exactly made up for it. Golden left talent, but his last two classes were loaded with interior line because of his inability to get them in previous years.

With that said, the best he left on the interior was an ACC Third teamer and Honorable Mention (since, as you list below, you don't like draft projection). Stretching it to DE, again, some honorable mention players. I like them subjectively, but objectively, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that what Golden left was some riches. Jenkins left, Fines left and never played anyway and Willis...I understand the talent, but what has he given us yet? Moten was a good soldier backup, and the starters, as mentioned...they are varying degrees of good. PFF was likely the high man on McIntosh according to their metric.

In summary...I think you're overrating the talent and definitely the depth to frame your argument.

Can't be saying Norton isn't an NFL player but then holding him up as an example of something positive from Golden.

This is clearly false. The idea that NFL potential is what we are supposed to be generating is part of what has so tanked this program. Guys can be very good college players but not first round nfl prospects. Heisman wnner Gino Toretta was that. Ken Dorsey was. Using the nfl draft to validate whether a kid was a good recruit or not misses the point of college football, which is to win the games, not generate pros.

Norton is absolutely an example of something positive from Golden. That is indisputable by anyone. And I write this as a person who couldn’t stand Golden. But Norton has played since his true frosh year, and been an important part of a D that has helped us progress as a team the past two years. He may not be as good as his accolytes hope, but that doesn’t define him. He was not a top ranked kid. Golden recruited and signed him. Those are facts.

You make a similar comment in the first quote I posted also, just broader than Norton. Sorry, but IMO you’re just way off in your view of these guys as it relates to the NFL. McIntosh, Norton, Thomas, Harris, D. Jax, etc. ... that is a very good college line. If your standard for recruiting is all high NFL draft picks, you’re going to be disappointed and despite that, we could do fine while you’re disappointed.

Even if you look at college accolades, production, etc.

You are subjectively overrating the talent. Objectively, your mileage is going to vary on how to rate them, especially Norton. Looking like a mid-late round pick...honorable mention all-conference player. Either way, none of the above outside of Chad Thomas (and this is getting away from the main point) is someone that can compete with the talent on Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, and other top teams in the country. Miami's line as currently constructed can not compete with the best. Its 2018 construction, can't compete with the best.

I'm never ok with "fine"...so...color me disappointed.

You are trying too hard.

Golden left Richt with 3 years of Norton, McIntosh and Willis. Two years of Moten. Two of Jenkins iirc (think he left with a year to go). What more do you expect? It isn’t Golden’s fault that Jenkins left, or Norton and McIntosh may leave early. Blaming him for that is dumb. And Norton and McIntosh as seniors backed up by would absolutely be a good interior DL — better than most or perhaps all that we’ve had since Butch’s guys left.

Look, I can’t stand Golden and I agree people overrate talent and fail to see what is needed to cmpete with Alabama. But you can go too far in your retort as well, and IMO you have done so. We have bigger problems as a roster and program than the DL golden left.

There is no try hard here...its not even a bash Golden topic...its not just about the DL Golden left...its about a series of coaches that have a similar pattern of underrecruiting defensive line, especially the interior. There is some talent...sure...but the depth, especially quality depth, isn't there. Golden extended a trend that started before he got here...and we are starting to see the same develop under Richt. Which is the point. There is no need to try hard. The numbers are the numbers. There needs to be a quota and they aren't meeting it. Golden was used as an example because to fill numbers he would scramble last minute to acquire luke warm bodies. It feels as though, in Richt's third class, we are just about arriving to that train station.

If that is what you are trying to say, we agree. I have been saying that myself. I think Golden did leave more on DL than elsewhere, but it was not because we killed it in recruiting DL under him. More like a couple good evals (Norton, McIntosh, D. Jackson, T. Harris), good fortune to have Thomas and J. Jackson local and want to be here, and Willis transferring in. And I didn’t contend what Golden left was Alabama level. Just was pretty solid all things considered.

Personally, I think DT has not been recruited well since JJ was here. DE brought in Sapp. Butch’s best guys (D. Lewis, Joseph) weren’t really all that great by UM standards, and probably were overrated at the time. Our best DL on NFL talent since the ‘90s were Wilfork, Campbell and Vernon, and none for different reasons had the UM career they could have had.

You win in CFB with top DL. We won 4 titles in 8 years in no small part because Jerome Brown, Russell Maryland, Cortez Kennedy (and Sileo, J. Jones) backed by great LBs and safeties. Not to mention Dan Stubbs, Bill Hawkins, et al.

 

[westcoastcanes]

First of all, my point was that Golden in fact left a deep DL. And some of our Ends have lined up inside on passing downs. But if we focus solely on interior guys, then Golden left McIntosh, Norton, Willis, Moten, Courtel Jenkins and Fines. That ain’t bad at all. It’s better than Richt would be leaving now if he skipped town. To complete the earlier point, Golden also left AQM, Patchan and Joe Jackson as a commitment at End (not mentioned above).

And by Year 3, only Willis would be left. This is the problem, there is no depth or consistency in recruiting the position adequately and Richt in his first two years hasn't exactly made up for it. Golden left talent, but his last two classes were loaded with interior line because of his inability to get them in previous years.

With that said, the best he left on the interior was an ACC Third teamer and Honorable Mention (since, as you list below, you don't like draft projection). Stretching it to DE, again, some honorable mention players. I like them subjectively, but objectively, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that what Golden left was some riches. Jenkins left, Fines left and never played anyway and Willis...I understand the talent, but what has he given us yet? Moten was a good soldier backup, and the starters, as mentioned...they are varying degrees of good. PFF was likely the high man on McIntosh according to their metric.

In summary...I think you're overrating the talent and definitely the depth to frame your argument.

This is clearly false. The idea that NFL potential is what we are supposed to be generating is part of what has so tanked this program. Guys can be very good college players but not first round nfl prospects. Heisman wnner Gino Toretta was that. Ken Dorsey was. Using the nfl draft to validate whether a kid was a good recruit or not misses the point of college football, which is to win the games, not generate pros.

Norton is absolutely an example of something positive from Golden. That is indisputable by anyone. And I write this as a person who couldn’t stand Golden. But Norton has played since his true frosh year, and been an important part of a D that has helped us progress as a team the past two years. He may not be as good as his accolytes hope, but that doesn’t define him. He was not a top ranked kid. Golden recruited and signed him. Those are facts.

You make a similar comment in the first quote I posted also, just broader than Norton. Sorry, but IMO you’re just way off in your view of these guys as it relates to the NFL. McIntosh, Norton, Thomas, Harris, D. Jax, etc. ... that is a very good college line. If your standard for recruiting is all high NFL draft picks, you’re going to be disappointed and despite that, we could do fine while you’re disappointed.

Even if you look at college accolades, production, etc.

You are subjectively overrating the talent. Objectively, your mileage is going to vary on how to rate them, especially Norton. Looking like a mid-late round pick...honorable mention all-conference player. Either way, none of the above outside of Chad Thomas (and this is getting away from the main point) is someone that can compete with the talent on Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, and other top teams in the country. Miami's line as currently constructed can not compete with the best. Its 2018 construction, can't compete with the best.

I'm never ok with "fine"...so...color me disappointed.

You are trying too hard.

Golden left Richt with 3 years of Norton, McIntosh and Willis. Two years of Moten. Two of Jenkins iirc (think he left with a year to go). What more do you expect? It isn’t Golden’s fault that Jenkins left, or Norton and McIntosh may leave early. Blaming him for that is dumb. And Norton and McIntosh as seniors backed up by would absolutely be a good interior DL — better than most or perhaps all that we’ve had since Butch’s guys left.

Look, I can’t stand Golden and I agree people overrate talent and fail to see what is needed to cmpete with Alabama. But you can go too far in your retort as well, and IMO you have done so. We have bigger problems as a roster and program than the DL golden left.

There is no try hard here...its not even a bash Golden topic...its not just about the DL Golden left...its about a series of coaches that have a similar pattern of underrecruiting defensive line, especially the interior. There is some talent...sure...but the depth, especially quality depth, isn't there. Golden extended a trend that started before he got here...and we are starting to see the same develop under Richt. Which is the point. There is no need to try hard. The numbers are the numbers. There needs to be a quota and they aren't meeting it. Golden was used as an example because to fill numbers he would scramble last minute to acquire luke warm bodies. It feels as though, in Richt's third class, we are just about arriving to that train station.

Just a question how many Interior DL is expected per class and expected to be on the roster at a time?

you should have in the range of 7-8 interior defensive lineman on your roster. One or two more is acceptable, any less than 6 is problematic for a sustained depth chart, absorbing injuries/transfers/early declarations.

And that is not hybrid guys. That is defensive tackles.

total defensive lineman numbers should be around 16, assuming a 4-3 defense.