2014 Defense

[hoover437]

I don't see how Hester changes anything this year. Thomas, Wyche and Moten should help immediately.

at the spring game it seems like 93 was helping things in a big way. looking forward to having those three in the mix

 

[JHallCanes]

I think it is unreasonable to expect a bigger jump than from 2012 to 2013 based on the talent shuffle on defense. The safety position obviously has more raw talent, but there are people talking about depending on a DT that isn't even on campus yet.

I also think it is unreasonable to expect the offense to be significantly better with olsen and the O-line losses than morris until we see otherwise (and we haven't yet). At best we will improve about 30 spots and be in the mid 50's if duke stays healthy enough to move the chains for the whole year. Hopefully I am wrong.

I see this point being put out there, and I'm not saying you are totally off base, but really can we be much worse? I personally just feel we can get equal production up front at least, just by default.

Couple that with improvements across the board at DE/Edge Rush, linebacker, and secondary and I think a solid improvement overall is logical. Not saying this will be some top 10 indestructible defense, but I expect improvement regardless who our DC is.

The QB thing is an important point. I really thought with Williams we would see a better ball control offense. Not so many 30 second drives (good and bad) which were both hard on an already weak defense. Now with Olsen in there, that factor seems to be in the air. I thought Williams would be a low turnover, better 3rd down guy, with a little less of the big play effect. Olsen is a complete unknown for me, but he will have a solid backfield and maybe the deepest WR and TE receiving group we have had in....well a long *** time.

 

[hoover437]

I think it is unreasonable to expect a bigger jump than from 2012 to 2013 based on the talent shuffle on defense. The safety position obviously has more raw talent, but there are people talking about depending on a DT that isn't even on campus yet.

I also think it is unreasonable to expect the offense to be significantly better with olsen and the O-line losses than morris until we see otherwise (and we haven't yet). At best we will improve about 30 spots and be in the mid 50's if duke stays healthy enough to move the chains for the whole year. Hopefully I am wrong.

I see this point being put out there, and I'm not saying you are totally off base, but really can we be much worse? I personally just feel we can get equal production up front at least, just by default.

Couple that with improvements across the board at DE/Edge Rush, linebacker, and secondary and I think a solid improvement overall is logical. Not saying this will be some top 10 indestructible defense, but I expect improvement regardless who our DC is.

The QB thing is an important point. I really thought with Williams we would see a better ball control offense. Not so many 30 second drives (good and bad) which were both hard on an already weak defense. Now with Olsen in there, that factor seems to be in the air. I thought Williams would be a low turnover, better 3rd down guy, with a little less of the big play effect. Olsen is a complete unknown for me, but he will have a solid backfield and maybe the deepest WR and TE receiving group we have had in....well a long *** time.

QB will be a concern, however, I think with the veteran leaders on the team, it will not be that big of a deal. the veterans we had in the past were not that talented verses what we have now. I think that's going to make a huge difference. Remember the tweets after the Duke game! The twitters were not looking for snickers, they got stronger during the off-season!!

 

[Sabetta]

Hertelou was the first DT that I've seen play here that didn't give up the LOS. Grant it, it was a spring game but he plays with great strength and leverage and has only been here for a few months. Pierre is serviceable. Chick is going to be better and Kamalu looks like he can be our best DL in a long time. It also thought McCord looked stronger and played with better technique. He didn't lose contain once from what I saw.

I think our LBs and secondary are Better than last year's bunch by a mile.

All that being said, I still don't know if our guys want to play with the discipline and selflessness that this scheme demands. I hope and pray but I'm not convinced.

 

[westcoastcanes]

I think it is unreasonable to expect a bigger jump than from 2012 to 2013 based on the talent shuffle on defense. The safety position obviously has more raw talent, but there are people talking about depending on a DT that isn't even on campus yet.

I also think it is unreasonable to expect the offense to be significantly better with olsen and the O-line losses than morris until we see otherwise (and we haven't yet). At best we will improve about 30 spots and be in the mid 50's if duke stays healthy enough to move the chains for the whole year. Hopefully I am wrong.

I see this point being put out there, and I'm not saying you are totally off base, but really can we be much worse? I personally just feel we can get equal production up front at least, just by default.

Couple that with improvements across the board at DE/Edge Rush, linebacker, and secondary and I think a solid improvement overall is logical. Not saying this will be some top 10 indestructible defense, but I expect improvement regardless who our DC is.

The QB thing is an important point. I really thought with Williams we would see a better ball control offense. Not so many 30 second drives (good and bad) which were both hard on an already weak defense. Now with Olsen in there, that factor seems to be in the air. I thought Williams would be a low turnover, better 3rd down guy, with a little less of the big play effect. Olsen is a complete unknown for me, but he will have a solid backfield and maybe the deepest WR and TE receiving group we have had in....well a long *** time.

Yes, yes we can be worse. The two guys who have been in the system have been the butt of jokes for some time, and the two guys who haven't been in this system have not played division 1 football. there is a chance for them to be as good or better than porter/robinson/renfrow, but there is also a chance they aren't, and if it is a downgrade from last years rotation at the dt position the improvement of the other units will be marginalized.

really, the point is a lot has to go right for us to avoid stagnating this year after two years of improvement, and the most important position on each side of the ball (QB/DT) being up in the air may very well result in a lot of people setting themselves up for disappointment if they are unable to assess the situation for the 2014 season without making assumptions based on guys with no history in the system, and no experience at the division 1 level.

everything may fall into place and this is a 10+ win team, but I am not putting money on that due to the aforementioned unknowns.

 

[pb5cane]

For reference:

Teams that ranked top 50 in total defense: Buffalo, Penn State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Marshall, Wake Forest and Oregon.

Teams that ranked top 30 in total defense: Georgia Tech, Baylor, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, USC, Florida

In those groupings of teams are programs that had real scholarship reductions in PSU and USC. There are also up-tempo teams that give the ball back to their opponents faster than we did in Oregon and Baylor. There are also teams who undoubtedly had less talent than their opponents in Syracuse, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State. And there's Florida whose offense was much worse than ours in executing.

And where did we fall last season? 89th. That's pathetic. There are no excuses for our defense to be that bad. None.

There are absolutely no excuses why we shouldn't have at worst a top 30 defense--other than our coaches being terrible at their jobs. For more reference, the 50th ranked D gave up 383 ypg. The 30th ranked D gave up 364 ypg. We gave up 426 ypg.

I went back to 1999 and Miami's worst ranked defense before Golden was 34th in 2000. Golden's best ranked D since he's ,been here was the 2011 defense that was ranked 45th.

Again, there is no ****ing reason in his 4th year at Miami we shouldn't have at worst a 30th ranked defense. And that's lowering the ball to mid-major expectations.

The main thing I get from this post, the guy that mentored our coaches and was a sort of godfather of our defense, was fired from gt because he couldn't get the kids to execute that defense on the field. They hire another guy and get immediate results. Top 30 in year one. Sigh

That's scary on multiple levels. Watching the defense in the 2nd half of the 2013 season AND listening to the coaches' post-game comments was like watching Groundhog Day. He's had another year to hammer the scheme home to the players, but if you know something that you can't coach/teach anybody what good is it?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Football is a game of inches.

Until our DC acknowledges that, and our D starts to fight for every inch, talent won't matter.

 

[RiDLer80]

Football is a game of inches.

Until our DC acknowledges that, and our D starts to fight for every inch, talent won't matter.

Yards don't matter. You think he's worried about some inches?

 

[dolpterry]

Agree 100% about Hertlou.and Wyche may be even better. Pierre at the end of last year improved alot and Kamalu has tons of potential. Sad to say but Chick is just average but he does hustle. I see lots of improvement next year.

 

[407cane]

On the contrary to what most people think, I believe the Canes defense will be very much improved this year, and Once the likes of Chad Thomas, Moten and Kiy Hester arrive to provide some extra depth, it should start clicking. What's your opinion on where this defense ends up ranked?

I believe overall D will be ranked in the top 30.
With the Pass Defense ranked In the top 25.

i’ve always been a realistic poster/more leaning towards optimistic and not the doom and gloom type. But i feel like we’ve seen this movie before. Hopefully it’s got an alternate ending and the D comes to play this year. We won’t know until midway through the season in my opinion.

I think our schedule is a bit easier so I think we will statistically be better regardless, just not sure if it’ll be because of better play or not yet.

 

[305umking]

This dude is definitely trolling lol.....i

If Wyche comes in and starts this is a top 10 defense. Else top 30.

Not sure if serious

He's a troll.......

 

[305umking]

Our schedule is not easier

 

[Miami82]

2014 season is upon us. 9 days away. How improved will the D be from 89th in 2013...

Some bold predictions in this thread.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I think Einstein had a theory on our defense. Something about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I think Einstein had a theory on our defense. Something about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

It worked for Narduzzi.

 

[Miami82]

I think Einstein had a theory on our defense. Something about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

Well if they don't have the right players this year, they will try again next year, and the year after that and the year after that. At least to 2020 if you believe some of the fans on here.

 

[Miami82]

I think Einstein had a theory on our defense. Something about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

It worked for Narduzzi.

Sure, in year 4 he started seeing better results.
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[CaneAlmighty]

You know Narduzzi was hired in 2006 and coached the defense in 2007 right?
I'll be expecting an apology for the nasty PM's you sent me about this.. Thanks.

 

[rsa coral gables]

I think Einstein had a theory on our defense. Something about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

this is wrong, we try things over and over again and expect different results. i.e practice, repeating the same things until you learn or get better.

it is repeating the same mistake and thinking this time it will be different. that's the rub

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I think Einstein had a theory on our defense. Something about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

this is wrong, we try things over and over again and expect different results. i.e practice, repeating the same things until you learn or get better.

it is repeating the same mistake and thinking this time it will be different. that's the rub

Right. In our case we are repeating the same ****** defensive scheme and expecting different results.