2013 Miami Hurricanes Defense

[Bird4um]

The more yards they have the less time our offense is on the field.

 

[Consigliere]

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

You make this point every time a thread like this comes up. Not sure if it's what you are meaning to do, but it always comes across as if your saying being 116 in total D is fine as long as they aren't giving up points. You can't just wave the total D number off like that. If a D is giving up that many yards you can be pretty **** sure they are giving up a ton of points too. Our D was ranked 82 in scoring D, which is awful.

Yes, the bolded part is my point. I want people to bring the stat that matters THE SCORING D. I am not defending the D, I just want people to focus on what matters. I don't care about the yards, I don't understand why people focus on this either. I think it is because they hate Coach D that they focus on it rather then the truth. People on this board, who hate coach D, bring up this total D because it sounds better (116 out of 120) instead of the real stat that matters scoring D (82 out of 120). 82 sucks, trust me I hate it. The scoring D was bad, the scoring D was really bad. This is where the conversation should begin.

I can wave the total D off because yards do not equal points. In fact the second most important defensive category is not yards either. It is probably turnovers. Turnovers end offensive drives. I could care less if we we're last in total D as long as we keep points off the board.

Please note I am not a fan of coach D, I am very skeptical. I just want (whoever the DC is) to keep points of the board.

 

[Consigliere]

The more yards they have the less time our offense is on the field.

False.

More yards COULD mean more time of possession, but it doesn't equal it. More yards likely can indicate longer TOP (move the offense down the field, get first downs and grind it out) but it is not definitive.

You can throw one pass on the first play of every drive for 80 yards and then turn it over. 80 Yards (great) but the TOP of the drive is 30 Seconds.

 

[Hurracanes]

For the last 7 years, our Defense hasn't been able to get off the field. We give up too many yards and we don't put our Offense in position to score with bad field position. This problem needs to be solved once and for all for us to seriously compete. I'm sick of it. The bend don't brake philosophy continues to kill us.

The more yards they have the less time our offense is on the field.

False.

More yards COULD mean more time of possession, but it doesn't equal it. More yards likely can indicate longer TOP (move the offense down the field, get first downs and grind it out) but it is not definitive.

You can throw one pass on the first play of every drive for 80 yards and then turn it over. 80 Yards (great) but the TOP of the drive is 30 Seconds.

 

[Consigliere]

For the last 7 years, our Defense hasn't been able to get off the field. We give up too many yards and we don't put our Offense in position to score with bad field position. This problem needs to be solved once and for all for us to seriously compete. I'm sick of it. The bend don't brake philosophy continues to kill us.

The more yards they have the less time our offense is on the field.

False.

More yards COULD mean more time of possession, but it doesn't equal it. More yards likely can indicate longer TOP (move the offense down the field, get first downs and grind it out) but it is not definitive.

You can throw one pass on the first play of every drive for 80 yards and then turn it over. 80 Yards (great) but the TOP of the drive is 30 Seconds.

Wow not sure what you are talking about in regards to my post.

 

[MetiSkeemz]

I see ALOT of improvement, but I think UTough will explain everything to me in the spring game. Freshmen that didn't enroll early didnt experience it so I don't see those guys getting crazy better but a huge improvement. If they translate last years 4 games into the performance I think I'm gonna see September 7th. That's all that matters to me. Just beat the **** gators and that's the pinnacle of my season.

 

[JefeGringo]

Would it help or hinder the defense to slow the game down and become a more methodical team? I go back and forth on that one. The offense has to help the defense out, and yes, I do get why we sped the game up on offense last year, smart move IMO, but we had many drives when we took no time off the clock and it would have helped tremendously.

 

[bathtubgin]

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

You make this point every time a thread like this comes up. Not sure if it's what you are meaning to do, but it always comes across as if your saying being 116 in total D is fine as long as they aren't giving up points. You can't just wave the total D number off like that. If a D is giving up that many yards you can be pretty **** sure they are giving up a ton of points too. Our D was ranked 82 in scoring D, which is awful.

Yes, the bolded part is my point. I want people to bring the stat that matters THE SCORING D. I am not defending the D, I just want people to focus on what matters. I don't care about the yards, I don't understand why people focus on this either. I think it is because they hate Coach D that they focus on it rather then the truth. People on this board, who hate coach D, bring up this total D because it sounds better (116 out of 120) instead of the real stat that matters scoring D (82 out of 120). 82 sucks, trust me I hate it. The scoring D was bad, the scoring D was really bad. This is where the conversation should begin.

I can wave the total D off because yards do not equal points. In fact the second most important defensive category is not yards either. It is probably turnovers. Turnovers end offensive drives. I could care less if we we're last in total D as long as we keep points off the board.

Please note I am not a fan of coach D, I am very skeptical. I just want (whoever the DC is) to keep points of the board.

If you give up a ton yards, the odds are your giving up a ton of points to go along with it. The two aren't unrelated.

Our D gave up a ton of yards, and in turn gave up a ton of points.

 

[Gamineal]

its not points its not yards its fear...teams need to fear playing us..QBs ****ting their pants when they have to drop back....2013 does not have any guys that will scare teams at this point..EJ is questionable at best to even be on the team and bush when he played hard got hurt..DP was always hurt...when teams respect us and not see a chance to run up stats then we bak

 

[Consigliere]

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

You make this point every time a thread like this comes up. Not sure if it's what you are meaning to do, but it always comes across as if your saying being 116 in total D is fine as long as they aren't giving up points. You can't just wave the total D number off like that. If a D is giving up that many yards you can be pretty **** sure they are giving up a ton of points too. Our D was ranked 82 in scoring D, which is awful.

Yes, the bolded part is my point. I want people to bring the stat that matters THE SCORING D. I am not defending the D, I just want people to focus on what matters. I don't care about the yards, I don't understand why people focus on this either. I think it is because they hate Coach D that they focus on it rather then the truth. People on this board, who hate coach D, bring up this total D because it sounds better (116 out of 120) instead of the real stat that matters scoring D (82 out of 120). 82 sucks, trust me I hate it. The scoring D was bad, the scoring D was really bad. This is where the conversation should begin.

I can wave the total D off because yards do not equal points. In fact the second most important defensive category is not yards either. It is probably turnovers. Turnovers end offensive drives. I could care less if we we're last in total D as long as we keep points off the board.

Please note I am not a fan of coach D, I am very skeptical. I just want (whoever the DC is) to keep points of the board.

If you give up a ton yards, the odds are your giving up a ton of points to go along with it. The two aren't unrelated.

Our D gave up a ton of yards, and in turn gave up a ton of points.

You missed the point.

 

[bathtubgin]

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

You make this point every time a thread like this comes up. Not sure if it's what you are meaning to do, but it always comes across as if your saying being 116 in total D is fine as long as they aren't giving up points. You can't just wave the total D number off like that. If a D is giving up that many yards you can be pretty **** sure they are giving up a ton of points too. Our D was ranked 82 in scoring D, which is awful.

Yes, the bolded part is my point. I want people to bring the stat that matters THE SCORING D. I am not defending the D, I just want people to focus on what matters. I don't care about the yards, I don't understand why people focus on this either. I think it is because they hate Coach D that they focus on it rather then the truth. People on this board, who hate coach D, bring up this total D because it sounds better (116 out of 120) instead of the real stat that matters scoring D (82 out of 120). 82 sucks, trust me I hate it. The scoring D was bad, the scoring D was really bad. This is where the conversation should begin.

I can wave the total D off because yards do not equal points. In fact the second most important defensive category is not yards either. It is probably turnovers. Turnovers end offensive drives. I could care less if we we're last in total D as long as we keep points off the board.

Please note I am not a fan of coach D, I am very skeptical. I just want (whoever the DC is) to keep points of the board.

If you give up a ton yards, the odds are your giving up a ton of points to go along with it. The two aren't unrelated.

Our D gave up a ton of yards, and in turn gave up a ton of points.

You missed the point.

No, I didn't. The point of the scoring D sucked, the D sucked, why do people focus on yards instead of points when points matter most, wasn't missed.

I just don't entirely agree with your point. I'm disagreeing your notion that yards don't matter because they don't equal points. You want people to focus more on points given up, fine, I get that, I just disagree with you seemingly dismissing yards given up as being important.

 

[Consigliere]

You missed the point, as I already said above

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

Thanks anyway

 

[bathtubgin]

You missed the point, as I already said above

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

Thanks anyway

Once again, no I didn't. Your point just sucks. I was trying to be nice about it instead of just straight out saying that.

You are dismissing yards as unimportant in your point, over and over again. If a team is giving up a ton of yards you can be sure they are giving up a ton of points. The two are not unrelated.
A team giving up a ton of yards is also most likely spending a ton of time with their D on the field. So not only are they most likely giving up a **** ton of points, they are also preventing their own offense from scoring.

You might as well be saying nutting in a ****** doesn't equal pregnancy, it can lead to pregnancy. Sure, you might catch a break once in a while, but if you're counting on it as birth control prepare to be fathering a lot of children.

 

[Consigliere]

You missed the point, as I already said above

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

Thanks anyway

Once again, no I didn't. Your point just sucks. I was trying to be nice about it instead of just straight out saying that.

You are dismissing yards as unimportant in your point, over and over again. If a team is giving up a ton of yards you can be sure they are giving up a ton of points. The two are not unrelated.
A team giving up a ton of yards is also most likely spending a ton of time with their D on the field. So not only are they most likely giving up a **** ton of points, they are also preventing their own offense from scoring.

You might as well be saying nutting in a ****** doesn't equal pregnancy, it can lead to pregnancy. Sure, you might catch a break once in a while, but if you're counting on it as birth control prepare to be fathering a lot of children.

I am concerned with points first. You have trouble reading, I am aware that yards lead to points (as I stated years ago) but in terms of concern show me the points. In the legal field we lead with our best argument, my troubles are first with the scoring.

Agree to disagree, keep up the good fight.

 

[bathtubgin]

You missed the point, as I already said above

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

Thanks anyway

Once again, no I didn't. Your point just sucks. I was trying to be nice about it instead of just straight out saying that.

You are dismissing yards as unimportant in your point, over and over again. If a team is giving up a ton of yards you can be sure they are giving up a ton of points. The two are not unrelated.
A team giving up a ton of yards is also most likely spending a ton of time with their D on the field. So not only are they most likely giving up a **** ton of points, they are also preventing their own offense from scoring.

You might as well be saying nutting in a ****** doesn't equal pregnancy, it can lead to pregnancy. Sure, you might catch a break once in a while, but if you're counting on it as birth control prepare to be fathering a lot of children.

I am concerned with points first. You have trouble reading, I am aware that yards lead to points (as I stated years ago) but in terms of concern show me the points. In the legal field we lead with our best argument, my troubles are first with the scoring.

Agree to disagree, keep up the good fight.

You can't just separate yards from points as easily as you are trying to.

 

[Consigliere]

You missed the point, as I already said above

Total defense is red herring. Keep points of the board i.e. Scoring D is what counts and REALLY matters.

Yards don't equal points, they can lead to points.

Thanks anyway

Once again, no I didn't. Your point just sucks. I was trying to be nice about it instead of just straight out saying that.

You are dismissing yards as unimportant in your point, over and over again. If a team is giving up a ton of yards you can be sure they are giving up a ton of points. The two are not unrelated.
A team giving up a ton of yards is also most likely spending a ton of time with their D on the field. So not only are they most likely giving up a **** ton of points, they are also preventing their own offense from scoring.

You might as well be saying nutting in a ****** doesn't equal pregnancy, it can lead to pregnancy. Sure, you might catch a break once in a while, but if you're counting on it as birth control prepare to be fathering a lot of children.

I am concerned with points first. You have trouble reading, I am aware that yards lead to points (as I stated years ago) but in terms of concern show me the points. In the legal field we lead with our best argument, my troubles are first with the scoring.

Agree to disagree, keep up the good fight.

You can't just separate yards from points as easily as you are trying to.

I am aware yards NORMALLY lead to points. I am concerned with the points first (like I said 600 times).

I already said this above, keep the good fight though. Agree to disagree?

 

[Kalihicane]

I won't say one is vastly more important than the other but. Defense all around matters. Scoring or Total Defense. I was saying that we can definitely make the jump like the '88 '89 teams did.

They in four years they went from #80 something to #1 with the'01 class

 

[PensacolaCane]

You lost me with your line of reasoning. Why were we a 9-3 team and why would recruits view us as one? There is a lot more rational arguments to say that we were quite lucky to finish 7-5 as we pulled out a few unlikely, almost miraculous victories.

And if you want to use an example of a team with a bad defense who accomplished a lot, Baylor did better(actually, not your logic) with a statistically worse defense.

Golden seems to be receiving a lot of heat from certain posters on the board why?

The 2012 season was BS
We should have been 9-3 with the #114 Ranked defense in the country.
If recruits can't realize that going 9-3 with #114 ranked defense is great then I don't know what can convince them.
All of the other team ranked at the bottom in total defense had terrible records to go all with it. Except the U. This makes the U special.

So I did some research looking at our defenses since 89'
I tried to find them all since 1980 but I could only find the rankings since 89'
The list is just total defense not scoring defense. Directly from the NCAA website.

1989: #8 Defense
Record: 11-1 National Champions

1990: #16 Defense
Record: 10-2

1991: #14 Defense
Record: 12-0 National Champions

1992: #8 Defense
Record: 11-1 Lost National Championship to Alabama

1993: #4 Defense
Record: 9-3

1994: #1 Defense
Record: 10-2

1995: #35 Defense
Record: 8-3

1996: #12 Defense
Record: 9-3

1997: #83 Defense
Record: 5-6

1998 #62 Defense
Record: 9-3

1999 #16 Defense
Record: 9-4

2000 #7 Defense
Record: 11-1

2001 #1 Defense
Record: 12-0 National Champions

2002 #8 Defense
Record: 12-1 Lost National Championship to Ohio State

2003 #3 Defense
Record: 11-2

2004 #26 Defense
Record: 9-3

2005 #3 Defense
Record: 9-3

2006 #5 Defense
Record: 7-6

2007 #32 Defense
Record: 5-7

2008 #25 Defense
Record: 7-6

2009 #26 Defense
Record: 9-4

2010 #17 Defense
Record: 7-6

2011 #47 Defense
Record: 6-6

2012 #114 Defense
Record: (9-3) 7-5

For the Golden haters.
ALL he did was take a team with some issues and turn them into ACC Coastal Champions.
ALL he did was have two solid recruiting classes in a row.
ALL he did was change the attitude and culture of the team surrounding the Shannon Mess.

Basically I'm saying the numbers don't lie. Even though we had a terrible defense we won games. The same can't be said for other teams at the bottom of the defensive rankings. Many of them didn't even have the option at a bowl game. This fact alone proves we're in great hands

Trust Al Golden

Question for the board where do you all think we will jump to in terms of total defense for 2013?
As the 1999 Defense showed you can make big strides in one season. They went from #63 to #16 thanks a big jump. How far will we jump this year?

 

[NorthFlaCane]

Losing Finnie, Paul, and most likely Eddie Johnson definitely hurts our defense. Our linebackers went from the strongest unit on the D to having legit depth concerns.

This is what I'd think our 6 man rotation would be for next year:

SLB: Gaines - Terry
MLB: Kirby - Blue
WLB: Perryman - Figueora

and maybe we'll see Armbrister or Cornelius. But if we had Johnson and Paul, then we could have redshirted Figueora and maybe Terry too. I like Grace as a prospect, but he could probably use a redshirt.

If we lose Olsen Pierre (as is rumored) then our defense is absolutely screwed. Our dline is already full of bums. Maybe we'll get something out of Grimble and Rico in their 3rd year, but I think its more likely we see improvement from Moore & Ivery.

Bottom line is that if our guys hadn't gotten into trouble, we'd be looking at a defense with good depth and experience next year; capable of moving up multiple spots in the rankings. Instead our D will improve, but lack the necessary depth to make a significant leap. Hopefully the improved pass rush makes a difference and maybe Eddie Johnson will find Jesus or something.

 

[Hegemon]

Is the OP ******* serious?

We were ranked #116 in the F'ING COUNTRY.