2009 or 2013: what year did you feel better about the

[Awsi Dooger]

Once we moved into this stadium, I knew what the pictures would look like, the mocking photos of seemingly only a handful of people in the stands. That was a guarantee. In the Orange Bowl even a sparse crowd didn't look particularly bad, and it was always loud. I feel much worse in 2014 because there's no indication our administrators or athletic department are taking steps to get out of the regulatory dump. But I guess I should understand it because there is a correlation. Never mind the forfeited 2.5 points per game, on average, compared to the Orange Bowl. Playing in this stadium means we have no idea what we are doing. That's how it will always translate to me. So we'll make poor choices at every step of the ladder, and be comparatively overmatched.

Otherwise, I have no idea how anybody can feel worse about the Louisville bowl game than the Wisconsin game. Louisville was a superb team with a +3.3 Yards Per Pass Attempt Differential. That is a tremendous number, although it pales in comparison to Florida State at +4.9. Wisconsin in 2009 was a modest +.8, which is below average for a bowl of that level. We were +1.7 in 2013 and +1.1 in 2009. So you can see we had a theoretical small edge against Wisconsin but were not close to Louisville. The Louisville spread rightfully should have been considerably higher, which might have changed our expectation tighter to reality.

Golden is a great representative for the university, along with Shalala. I had full confidence in that combo during the NCAA battles. It's scary to think how many wobbles Shannon might have made during that predicament. And if the NCAA detected weakness they could have been more bold in punishment.

 

[bransuperpower]

i would say diffrence is coaching. looking back i take shannon and this roster over golden and 2009 roster. if shannon could recruit he would still be our coach

 

[Kirijax]

I'm generally an optimist, so I have to say 2013. I believe we have a better man as coach to recruit and get us back up there. Even with the numbers from 09 and 13 compared.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Long term feel better now.
Short term 2009 felt better. 2010 was supposed to be the year. Jr QB with experience. Veteran heavy team with good talent.
The fact that that team went 7-6 was unforgivable especially how they lost to OSU, FSU and VT.

 

[deleted4697]

Another similarity-- just like this past year, the senior class that season was weak. Due more to underachieving than lack of talent, but people were optimistic that we would improve the following year with the younger guys getting a bigger role.

I agree with the senior class assessment. Seems like we have quite a few Chavez Grants on this 13 team. I'd take 09

 

[CanadaCane]

No doubt it was 2009. We were ranked really high the following year and Desmond Howard predicted us to play Alabama in the National Title game.

 

[LuCane]

I felt better after 2009 than I do after 2013.

 

[TP801]

2013 Team:
9-4
Strength of schedule: 56th
Average score in losses: 42-18
Total Offense: 48th
Total Defense: 89th
Starters Lost: 10

2009 Team:
9-4
Strength of schedule: 8th
Average score in losses: 31- 21
Total Offense: 45th
Total Defense: 29th
Starters Lost: 7

****.

 

[poncho0091]

2009 for me.

After 2009, our team did not look poorly coached even if Shannon was not that great. We just looked young at times, but we looked like we were getting better.

After this 2013 year, we look like we've regressed, and our defense shows no promise of actually improving. Our offense is an unknown next year with James Coley calling plays and starting a new qb that we all don't really know that much about on the field. Add to that, we played a very difficult schedule in 2009. This year was the easiest regular season schedule we've played in a long time.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Here is the thing though, after 2009 looked more promising because we had a would be JR QB returning and a ton of talent. Results however were horrendous.
With 2013 not looking quite as good, results look like they will be better.

 

[supacane]

2010 hands down. We had real talent on that team. They finished 1st in defense and 2nd on offense in the ACC. This team I don't see them even matching the 9 wins. How much more can we improve from 116th. Maybe 70th, still terrible. I have no confidence that our staff can match any team that can throw a forward pass. And we did play poorly against wissy but it still was only 20-14. We got swamped by UL. We were a fraud in '13. Seriously

 

[chicanego]

still now.. Al Golden has a track record of succeeding.. why we thought he'd do it with two recruiting classes i'm not sure... but until i see something trending downward, i'll have faith.

I saw everything trending downward near the end of the year, particularly after FSU. What did you see?

 

[SmokeyRone]

Felt awful when 2009 season ended, all evidence pointed to a disaster in 2010. Feel the same now.

a 7-5, 4-4 ACC record is my call for 2014, and the program will be at rock bottom just like 2010. I hope not, of course, but everything indicates it will be thus.