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[DiegoCane]

Bama doesn't play zone (LOL). Wait...they do. I mean they play that tough in your face zone.

Bama doesn't play anywhere near the amount of cover 3 zone we do. I've never said once they don't play zone they run a zone blitz defense for christ sakes. They don't play all the cover 3 we do. Their Db's aren't dropping back into deep coverage and starting 10 yards of the ball every single play. If you're going to criticize my statements at least be accurate in your criticism. Do you know anything about football? Bama plays a very physical brand of football please tell me where I'm wrong in any points I made. I'd appreciate it although I think we both know anything you have to respond with will be garbage anyways.

You're one of the people that seem to think coach D doesn't deserve any critcism for the job he'd done this year which is insane. He's been **** poor two years running. He called a great second half against UNC, but that's the only good thing he's done this year.

Just because they aren't dropping back into a deep 1/3 doesn't mean they aren't playing a cover 3. Cover 3 is their base defense and they pattern read out of it, which could result in a guy playing a deep in route or a flat route if his area isn't challenged.

We are attempting to do the SAME THING. They just have better, more experienced, and more football savvy players.

No they have the proper players to run the defense. That's the difference your coaches are being hard headed. People keep talking crap about Shannon's Defensive recruiting, but if Shannon was running his 4-3 there is no doubt in my mind the defense wouldn't be this bad because these players were brought in to do that. Look at Bama's front line. Those guys are huge. There linebackers are all around 235 or bigger, and their Dlineman are all over 280. You can't run the defense with our personnel it just doesn't work. Why people are giving Golden a pass for attempting to do something this dumb is beyond me. Bama doesn't run the same amount of cover 3 we do, and if they do they certainly don't make it obvious because of the way they line up on the ball. They don't start their CB's 10 yards of the LOS and let you know what defense you're going to be looking at.

They aren't expecting this to be successful this year like you and every other prisoner of the moment canes fan who wants instant gratification. They are building. You think that you are so intuitive and so lucid that you are the only person on the planet to know that we don't currently have the personnel to run this defense? Really?

You don't think that Al Golden knows that asking Corey King to engage a blocker is not necessarily the best way to win now? You don't think D'Onofrio knows that asking Eddie Johnson to adjust his coverage to the route combination, may cause him to think too much, as opposed to just playing straight man-to-man across the board?

It's just pure arrogance to think that you know more than these guys when they have ALREADY been successful at implementing this defense AT TEMPLE for crying out loud. Excercise some patience.

This is pretty much spot on. Its also the reason we play 20+ guys on defense every single week.

 

[moshated305]

IMO, the jury is still out on Coach D but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this year. I mean take the 4th and 6 against UNC when Gio made that diving catch. Probably the biggest play of the game after the one Morris hurt his ankle on. I thought this was the perfect call by Coach D. Didn't sit back an give them all day, sent EJ on the blitz. EJ gets a shot on the QB cause him to throw up a pray Gio makes a great catch. If you watch again you see Tyrone Cornelius frozen in time as the back releases wide open. If he was anywhere close to where he was supposed to be then that tough catch by Gio would have turned into a nearly impossible catch. That is what we are working with right now. Some guys just don't have it and Cornelius is one of them. Just too many JAGs playing a lot of snaps on D.

 

[guppycane]

we have a lot of pretty bad players all over the D and the Safetys get overlooked. Bush is good but you are still relying on a true frosh at S. and the rest suck in coverage and can't take good angles on rushing plays. I mean as a good they are bad. I think our scheme and corners are a big part due to our safeties. if you want to play bump and run and blitz b/c the line can't get there fast enough to play bump and run man, then you need the safeties to be able to man up on TE's, RB's, or Slot WR.

everyone mentions the DL, which is a huge problem also, but being weak at S is a big problem and is amazing with S Florida talent is a such a problem. DL is almost understandable.

 

[dogcane]

IMO, the jury is still out on Coach D but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this year. I mean take the 4th and 6 against UNC when Gio made that diving catch. Probably the biggest play of the game after the one Morris hurt his ankle on. I thought this was the perfect call by Coach D. Didn't sit back an give them all day, sent EJ on the blitz. EJ gets a shot on the QB cause him to throw up a pray Gio makes a great catch. If you watch again you see Tyrone Cornelius frozen in time as the back releases wide open. If he was anywhere close to where he was supposed to be then that tough catch by Gio would have turned into a nearly impossible catch. That is what we are working with right now. Some guys just don't have it and Cornelius is one of them. Just too many JAGs playing a lot of snaps on D.

Coach D was very upset with this play. He said there were 10 players executed and only 1 missed his assignment. He didn't mentioned who was the guy though

 

[moshated305]

we have a lot of pretty bad players all over the D and the Safetys get overlooked. Bush is good but you are still relying on a true frosh at S. and the rest suck in coverage and can't take good angles on rushing plays. I mean as a good they are bad. I think our scheme and corners are a big part due to our safeties. if you want to play bump and run and blitz b/c the line can't get there fast enough to play bump and run man, then you need the safeties to be able to man up on TE's, RB's, or Slot WR.

everyone mentions the DL, which is a huge problem also, but being weak at S is a big problem and is amazing with S Florida talent is a such a problem. DL is almost understandable.

I am looking at our safeties and I see:

Telemaque - Cali
Rodgers - Texas
Highsmith (legacy, I know) - Texas

My point is why the yell were we leaving our backyard for safeties? I can understand if its an elite can't miss guy but we should have never have to leave the state for skill position talent. QB, OL, DL are the only positions we should leave our main area for unless its for elite guys. Of course there can be exceptions made like Ed Reed who wasn't highly touted but Butch saw something he liked. The problem started with Coker.

Bush, Carter, Burns (depending on where he ends up) are the type of guys we should be bringing in. I even like what Jenkins brings to the table being from the Tampa area with his size and speed. I just don't see the speed we are accustomed to at the position from Telemaque, Rodgers and Highsmith.

 

[guppycane]

Telemaque, Rodgers, and Highsmith have LB speed for UM standards, have poor football IQ/Instincts, and are not going to fly in and fill gaps. They are the definition of JAG's. I mean seriously should any of them start for a top 40 team?

I personally think we are a little worse off at S than DL, but its much easier to see the DL getting pushed around than seing that we have to scheme around the Safeties. But, we can fix the Safety position much much faster than DL. I would expect by this time next year that we are pretty comfortable with what we have back there.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Telemaque, Rodgers, and Highsmith have LB speed for UM standards, have poor football IQ/Instincts, and are not going to fly in and fill gaps. They are the definition of JAG's. I mean seriously should any of them start for a top 40 team?

I personally think we are a little worse off at S than DL, but its much easier to see the DL getting pushed around than seing that we have to scheme around the Safeties. But, we can fix the Safety position much much faster than DL. I would expect by this time next year that we are pretty comfortable with what we have back there.

Those are the type of guys that could maybe start for a top 40 team, but they're like the worst starter on the defense, so the rest of the unit has to cover for them.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Billymays doing work in this thread

Bama doesn't play zone (LOL). Wait...they do. I mean they play that tough in your face zone.

Bama doesn't play anywhere near the amount of cover 3 zone we do. I've never said once they don't play zone they run a zone blitz defense for christ sakes. They don't play all the cover 3 we do. Their Db's aren't dropping back into deep coverage and starting 10 yards of the ball every single play. If you're going to criticize my statements at least be accurate in your criticism. Do you know anything about football? Bama plays a very physical brand of football please tell me where I'm wrong in any points I made. I'd appreciate it although I think we both know anything you have to respond with will be garbage anyways.

You're one of the people that seem to think coach D doesn't deserve any critcism for the job he'd done this year which is insane. He's been **** poor two years running. He called a great second half against UNC, but that's the only good thing he's done this year.

Just because they aren't dropping back into a deep 1/3 doesn't mean they aren't playing a cover 3. Cover 3 is their base defense and they pattern read out of it, which could result in a guy playing a deep in route or a flat route if his area isn't challenged.

We are attempting to do the SAME THING. They just have better, more experienced, and more football savvy players.

No they have the proper players to run the defense. That's the difference your coaches are being hard headed. People keep talking crap about Shannon's Defensive recruiting, but if Shannon was running his 4-3 there is no doubt in my mind the defense wouldn't be this bad because these players were brought in to do that. Look at Bama's front line. Those guys are huge. There linebackers are all around 235 or bigger, and their Dlineman are all over 280. You can't run the defense with our personnel it just doesn't work. Why people are giving Golden a pass for attempting to do something this dumb is beyond me. Bama doesn't run the same amount of cover 3 we do, and if they do they certainly don't make it obvious because of the way they line up on the ball. They don't start their CB's 10 yards of the LOS and let you know what defense you're going to be looking at.

Because this is a rebuilding year, and people are willing to give Golden time to implement his defense (on that he's had success with at two different schools).

 

[Billymayscocainestash]

"Now, it should be pointed out that Coach Saban himself will say that they often play out of a Base Cover 1 defense (sometimes a Base Cover 1 Robber) as opposed to a Base Cover 3, but the simple fact is that Saban’s defenses are a hybrid of the standard plays. It is impossible to lock him down into a single base defense. "


http://www.alabamaintel.com/articles/the-tide-defense

You're making my point for me. No one said that Saban plays cover 3 exclusively and neither do we. There are plenty of instances where we played a cover 1 and got burned over the top.

You stated they play as much cover 3 as we they do. You were wrong so no that article doesn't help anything your saying. Our base defense IS a cover 3. Their base defense is a cover 1. Also that crap about the coordinators meaning only about 5% is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life. If that's the case why did our defense fall off a cliff when Walton replaced Shannon calling plays?

You're one of those kinds of people who think coaching doesn't mean anything. IT MEANS EVERYTHING. If it didn't Mike Shula would still be at Alabama. Randy Shannon or **** Coker would still be in Miami. Play calling especially with this kind of defense means the world.

Has anyone actually bothered to look around college football to see the teams that are running the 3-4 scheme successfully. **** has anyone bothered to look around college football to see ANY teams that are running a Hybrid scheme 3/4,5/2,4/3 scheme sucessfully. There might be a couple of teams tops. Everyone keeps talking about Bama, but Bama is the only team that runs it at a high level. So I ask once again WHY DID WE CHANGE DEFENSES?

 

[Billymayscocainestash]

Bama doesn't play zone (LOL). Wait...they do. I mean they play that tough in your face zone.

Bama doesn't play anywhere near the amount of cover 3 zone we do. I've never said once they don't play zone they run a zone blitz defense for christ sakes. They don't play all the cover 3 we do. Their Db's aren't dropping back into deep coverage and starting 10 yards of the ball every single play. If you're going to criticize my statements at least be accurate in your criticism. Do you know anything about football? Bama plays a very physical brand of football please tell me where I'm wrong in any points I made. I'd appreciate it although I think we both know anything you have to respond with will be garbage anyways.

You're one of the people that seem to think coach D doesn't deserve any critcism for the job he'd done this year which is insane. He's been **** poor two years running. He called a great second half against UNC, but that's the only good thing he's done this year.

Just because they aren't dropping back into a deep 1/3 doesn't mean they aren't playing a cover 3. Cover 3 is their base defense and they pattern read out of it, which could result in a guy playing a deep in route or a flat route if his area isn't challenged.

We are attempting to do the SAME THING. They just have better, more experienced, and more football savvy players.

No they have the proper players to run the defense. That's the difference your coaches are being hard headed. People keep talking crap about Shannon's Defensive recruiting, but if Shannon was running his 4-3 there is no doubt in my mind the defense wouldn't be this bad because these players were brought in to do that. Look at Bama's front line. Those guys are huge. There linebackers are all around 235 or bigger, and their Dlineman are all over 280. You can't run the defense with our personnel it just doesn't work. Why people are giving Golden a pass for attempting to do something this dumb is beyond me. Bama doesn't run the same amount of cover 3 we do, and if they do they certainly don't make it obvious because of the way they line up on the ball. They don't start their CB's 10 yards of the LOS and let you know what defense you're going to be looking at.

Because this is a rebuilding year, and people are willing to give Golden time to implement his defense (on that he's had success with at two different schools).

He's has success at Temple. There are a laundry list of coaches who failed horribly to implement their scheme when you had to play big boy ball. It was a stupid move on their part.

 

[bomba]

If the offense is a powerful run team, a two gap scheme is more effective at stopping the run than a one gap defensive scheme.

Lulz....

 

[CanesAreAble]

Bama doesn't play anywhere near the amount of cover 3 zone we do. I've never said once they don't play zone they run a zone blitz defense for christ sakes. They don't play all the cover 3 we do. Their Db's aren't dropping back into deep coverage and starting 10 yards of the ball every single play. If you're going to criticize my statements at least be accurate in your criticism. Do you know anything about football? Bama plays a very physical brand of football please tell me where I'm wrong in any points I made. I'd appreciate it although I think we both know anything you have to respond with will be garbage anyways.

You're one of the people that seem to think coach D doesn't deserve any critcism for the job he'd done this year which is insane. He's been **** poor two years running. He called a great second half against UNC, but that's the only good thing he's done this year.

Just because they aren't dropping back into a deep 1/3 doesn't mean they aren't playing a cover 3. Cover 3 is their base defense and they pattern read out of it, which could result in a guy playing a deep in route or a flat route if his area isn't challenged.

We are attempting to do the SAME THING. They just have better, more experienced, and more football savvy players.

No they have the proper players to run the defense. That's the difference your coaches are being hard headed. People keep talking crap about Shannon's Defensive recruiting, but if Shannon was running his 4-3 there is no doubt in my mind the defense wouldn't be this bad because these players were brought in to do that. Look at Bama's front line. Those guys are huge. There linebackers are all around 235 or bigger, and their Dlineman are all over 280. You can't run the defense with our personnel it just doesn't work. Why people are giving Golden a pass for attempting to do something this dumb is beyond me. Bama doesn't run the same amount of cover 3 we do, and if they do they certainly don't make it obvious because of the way they line up on the ball. They don't start their CB's 10 yards of the LOS and let you know what defense you're going to be looking at.

Because this is a rebuilding year, and people are willing to give Golden time to implement his defense (on that he's had success with at two different schools).

He's has success at Temple. There are a laundry list of coaches who failed horribly to implement their scheme when you had to play big boy ball. It was a stupid move on their part.

It also worked at Virginia.

And coaches struggling at bigger schools has MUCH more to do with management than X's and O's.

For example, Steve Kragthorpe didn't fail at Louisville because he doesn't know offense.

 

[DeadPoets]

we have a lot of pretty bad players all over the D and the Safetys get overlooked. Bush is good but you are still relying on a true frosh at S. and the rest suck in coverage and can't take good angles on rushing plays. I mean as a good they are bad. I think our scheme and corners are a big part due to our safeties. if you want to play bump and run and blitz b/c the line can't get there fast enough to play bump and run man, then you need the safeties to be able to man up on TE's, RB's, or Slot WR.

everyone mentions the DL, which is a huge problem also, but being weak at S is a big problem and is amazing with S Florida talent is a such a problem. DL is almost understandable.

Agree the safeties are bad. But they are worse in zone coverage than man.

 

[Billymayscocainestash]

Just because they aren't dropping back into a deep 1/3 doesn't mean they aren't playing a cover 3. Cover 3 is their base defense and they pattern read out of it, which could result in a guy playing a deep in route or a flat route if his area isn't challenged.

We are attempting to do the SAME THING. They just have better, more experienced, and more football savvy players.

No they have the proper players to run the defense. That's the difference your coaches are being hard headed. People keep talking crap about Shannon's Defensive recruiting, but if Shannon was running his 4-3 there is no doubt in my mind the defense wouldn't be this bad because these players were brought in to do that. Look at Bama's front line. Those guys are huge. There linebackers are all around 235 or bigger, and their Dlineman are all over 280. You can't run the defense with our personnel it just doesn't work. Why people are giving Golden a pass for attempting to do something this dumb is beyond me. Bama doesn't run the same amount of cover 3 we do, and if they do they certainly don't make it obvious because of the way they line up on the ball. They don't start their CB's 10 yards of the LOS and let you know what defense you're going to be looking at.

Because this is a rebuilding year, and people are willing to give Golden time to implement his defense (on that he's had success with at two different schools).

He's has success at Temple. There are a laundry list of coaches who failed horribly to implement their scheme when you had to play big boy ball. It was a stupid move on their part.

It also worked at Virginia.

And coaches struggling at bigger schools has MUCH more to do with management than X's and O's.

For example, Steve Kragthorpe didn't fail at Louisville because he doesn't know offense.

Sometimes your system just doesn't work. I mean **** Al Groh was just fired at Gatech attempting to run the same kind of system. There aren't many teams running the system Alabama is running successfully, and we don't have the players to do it yet. So why try and run it? It's not a smart move by a coach to do that. Most coaches would wait until they had the players to implement their system. It took Golden **** near 5 years to put a good defense on the field at Temple he doesn't have that long here. He doesn't deserve a pass for this and should get heavily criticized for this foolishness. Don't fix something that aint broke.

 

[CanesAreAble]

No they have the proper players to run the defense. That's the difference your coaches are being hard headed. People keep talking crap about Shannon's Defensive recruiting, but if Shannon was running his 4-3 there is no doubt in my mind the defense wouldn't be this bad because these players were brought in to do that. Look at Bama's front line. Those guys are huge. There linebackers are all around 235 or bigger, and their Dlineman are all over 280. You can't run the defense with our personnel it just doesn't work. Why people are giving Golden a pass for attempting to do something this dumb is beyond me. Bama doesn't run the same amount of cover 3 we do, and if they do they certainly don't make it obvious because of the way they line up on the ball. They don't start their CB's 10 yards of the LOS and let you know what defense you're going to be looking at.

Because this is a rebuilding year, and people are willing to give Golden time to implement his defense (on that he's had success with at two different schools).

He's has success at Temple. There are a laundry list of coaches who failed horribly to implement their scheme when you had to play big boy ball. It was a stupid move on their part.

It also worked at Virginia.

And coaches struggling at bigger schools has MUCH more to do with management than X's and O's.

For example, Steve Kragthorpe didn't fail at Louisville because he doesn't know offense.

Sometimes your system just doesn't work. I mean **** Al Groh was just fired at Gatech attempting to run the same kind of system. There aren't many teams running the system Alabama is running successfully, and we don't have the players to do it yet. So why try and run it? It's not a smart move by a coach to do that. Most coaches would wait until they had the players to implement their system. It took Golden **** near 5 years to put a good defense on the field at Temple he doesn't have that long here. He doesn't deserve a pass for this and should get heavily criticized for this foolishness. Don't fix something that aint broke.

So what defense are you running while you're recruiting players for a new defense?

You can't just switch to something new on the fly. We're not THAT far away from having the personnel. We should be markedly improved in 2013, and potentially great by 2014.

And Shannon's defenses from 2007 to 2010 were not very good. They were above average, but they were far from dominant.

I'm not sad to see them go.

It won't take Golden 5 years to field a good defense, but he DOES have that long. The administration is ALL IN on Golden. He ain't getting run out of here unless he has like consecutive 2-loss seasons or some ****.

 

[FlipT]

Paul Johnson looking like a genius so far!