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Dandycane

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Duke is not a franchise type running back that can put team on his back against good defenses. He can be a game breaker a la Lamar Miller, but he is clearly prone to injury and not big or strong enough to carry more than 20 times a game.

Would he be more effective in a two back system with A back like Gus?
 
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With backs like Crawford and Clements we have a solid group. Gus waiting in the wings and Yearby/Powell coming in. I have 0 worries about RB for the next four seasons.

In regards to Duke. I think he's straight he's a tough kid. Someone mentioned earlier that he might not need 20 CARRIES a game but 25 touches a game would be ideal.
 
Alex Collins was supposed to be the grinder and Duke the big play scat back. Now we just have to hope the Gus bus can start being a regular contributor.
 
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I think Duke Johnson IS a Franchise type running back but he's NOT a workhorse running back.....

he is still only a sophomore and the idea of giving him more carries out of the backfield was a big mistake imo.

He needs to have limited carries but still give him a lot of touches as a receiver and on STs, just like they did with him last year.

IMO its not about having a "2 back" system its about getting the most out of all the talent you have and forcing Duke to get the ball 20+ times out of the backfield, not only makes him less effective, but it takes away from the opportunity to use our other backs that can share the load and are talented enough to do their jobs.

Eduardo, Gus and Mo should all get additional carries in order to bring a Power run game into the equation.... and Dallas Crawford should be on the field w/ Duke, since they both are the same type of back, which would make it harder for defenses to key in on ONE man.
 
Bicho said:
Alex Collins was supposed to be the grinder and Duke the big play scat back. Now we just have to hope the Gus bus can start being a regular contributor.
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lol bro get over it w/ the Alex Collins bull****..... he never was a "grinder" type running back and he never will be. He's too soft, overrated, and not elite at all.... the only thing he would be doing here at Miami is sitting on the bench.

Gus Edwards is much more talented then he is..... just as explosive but is a lot more physically developed then Collins and just a tougher running back in general.
 
What?.... Im amazed at some of these threads..... Duke not a what? .... Hahahahaha..... We ve always had multiple back system... Why would we do it for Duke.... He isnt a grinder back .... Hes not gonna bull dose his way up and down the field .... Too fast and too good of lateral movement for that....how quick some fans jump off the Duke bus.... Wow only UM fans SMH
 
I think we need to find some more creative ways to get the ball to duke in space. Put Gus in the backfield and duke in the slot. Screens and short passes forcing the defenders to make a one on one tackle in space.

His skill set isn't best used running between the tackles.
 
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Bicho said:
I think we need to find some more creative ways to get the ball to duke in space. Put Gus in the backfield and duke in the slot. Screens and short passes forcing the defenders to make a one on one tackle in space.

His skill set isn't best used running between the tackles.
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Excellent points. I dont understand why people go into a PMS hissyfit when anyone mentions that Duke's strength is not as a between the tackles type grinder. There are different types of backs, doesnt mean Duke isnt elite, just means he is better utilized in some ways over others. I ABSOLUTELY think Duke would benefit by having a bigger power back alternating who can pound it between the tackles, letting him be the speed/home run threat.
 
Just because we didn't land Collins doesn't mean he's soft or overrated. The kid is starting at Arkansas as a true frosh, and he is the first freshman SEC back to run for 100+ yards in his first 3 games. Don't be that guy to bash players and take away credit just because they didn't go to miami.

zone3cane said:
Bicho said:
Alex Collins was supposed to be the grinder and Duke the big play scat back. Now we just have to hope the Gus bus can start being a regular contributor.
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lol bro get over it w/ the Alex Collins bull****..... he never was a "grinder" type running back and he never will be. He's too soft, overrated, and not elite at all.... the only thing he would be doing here at Miami is sitting on the bench.

Gus Edwards is much more talented then he is..... just as explosive but is a lot more physically developed then Collins and just a tougher running back in general.
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CANE4LIFE said:
Bicho said:
I think we need to find some more creative ways to get the ball to duke in space. Put Gus in the backfield and duke in the slot. Screens and short passes forcing the defenders to make a one on one tackle in space.

His skill set isn't best used running between the tackles.
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Excellent points. I dont understand why people go into a PMS hissyfit when anyone mentions that Duke's strength is not as a between the tackles type grinder. There are different types of backs, doesnt mean Duke isnt elite, just means he is better utilized in some ways over others. I ABSOLUTELY think Duke would benefit by having a bigger power back alternating who can pound it between the tackles, letting him be the speed/home run threat.
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Good points except that we don't have designated home run running plays.
If memory serves correct a lot of dukes rushing yards in his Miami career have come between the tackles.
I think most of his nation leading big runs have come between the tackles.

You guys also do realize that all of Gus' production Saturday came against Savannah's backups. Just think on how bad their backups must be.
Gus is going to be a good back for us.

Duke is an elite running back
 
canefordays said:
Just because we didn't land Collins doesn't mean he's soft or overrated. The kid is starting at Arkansas as a true frosh, and he is the first freshman SEC back to run for 100+ yards in his first 3 games. Don't be that guy to bash players and take away credit just because they didn't go to miami.

zone3cane said:
Bicho said:
Alex Collins was supposed to be the grinder and Duke the big play scat back. Now we just have to hope the Gus bus can start being a regular contributor.
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lol bro get over it w/ the Alex Collins bull****..... he never was a "grinder" type running back and he never will be. He's too soft, overrated, and not elite at all.... the only thing he would be doing here at Miami is sitting on the bench.

Gus Edwards is much more talented then he is..... just as explosive but is a lot more physically developed then Collins and just a tougher running back in general.
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1) he's not the starter the soph Jonathan Williams is
2) that first freshman in SEC to rush over 100 yards is such a misleading stat because he had the ability to play against three straight patsies to open the season, which is why the starter Williams also had 100+ yards in all three of those games also and looked better than Collins did. Arkieslaw didn't think enough of him to use him in the fourth qtr against an average at best Rutgers team when they were trying to milk the clock, which they ultimately failed to do and lost the game.
 
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This Alex Collins **** needs to stop, he is a STUD who would have the most carries on our team right now. Ya'll need to stop being bitter.

You don't like him? Fine. But don't act like he's a scrub.
 
nystateofmind said:
This Alex Collins **** needs to stop, he is a STUD who would have the most carries on our team right now. Ya'll need to stop being bitter.

You don't like him? Fine. But don't act like he's a scrub.
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lol NO he wouldnt..... i dont care about him to like him or dislike him, i'm not from S. Florida so i could give a **** where he ended up. I didnt want him to commit to Miami anyway.... he is overrated and is far from a "stud" back imo.
 
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canefordays said:
Just because we didn't land Collins doesn't mean he's soft or overrated. The kid is starting at Arkansas as a true frosh, and he is the first freshman SEC back to run for 100+ yards in his first 3 games. Don't be that guy to bash players and take away credit just because they didn't go to miami.

zone3cane said:
Bicho said:
Alex Collins was supposed to be the grinder and Duke the big play scat back. Now we just have to hope the Gus bus can start being a regular contributor.
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lol bro get over it w/ the Alex Collins bull****..... he never was a "grinder" type running back and he never will be. He's too soft, overrated, and not elite at all.... the only thing he would be doing here at Miami is sitting on the bench.

Gus Edwards is much more talented then he is..... just as explosive but is a lot more physically developed then Collins and just a tougher running back in general.
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like i said, i didnt want Alex Collins to commit to Miami anyway b/c he is Overrated, he is not that great of a running back like so many of you all proclaim him to be.....

if he was so "great" then why is a JAG running back starting in front of him???.... Yes that Williams kid is a JAG. The reason why he starts over Alex is b/c Alex Collins soft. Thats not a knock on his character even though thats questionable too, but i'm saying he is a soft *** running back. He never breaks tackles and he never gets any yards after contact.

Gus Edwards is a WAY better running back and is far more along in terms of development then Collins..... if Alex Collins was here he would have to redshirt, so he made the best choice for him.
 
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It's amazing how Duke is being under-valued by some on this board. Without this guy, UM goes 4-8 last season, he was THAT good( and the numbers support that)

It's funny that the thing you hear now is that 'Duke has never done it against a great D'... Ok, tell me how many 'great D's Edgerrin James lit up? Just look at his production and what he does. The guy is a prime time player. I think the best football is still in front of him and it's still verrrry early in this season
 
k9cane said:
It's funny that the thing you hear now is that 'Duke has never done it against a great D'... Ok, tell me how many 'great D's Edgerrin James lit up? Just look at his production and what he does.
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It's not so much against a great D, as in a big game. So far, besides the first quarter of the Florida game, he's been MIA in marquee games.
 
nystateofmind said:
k9cane said:
It's funny that the thing you hear now is that 'Duke has never done it against a great D'... Ok, tell me how many 'great D's Edgerrin James lit up? Just look at his production and what he does.
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It's not so much against a great D, as in a big game. So far, besides the first quarter of the Florida game, he's been MIA in marquee games.
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smh Collins who hasn't done **** in college yet is a STUD but Duke hasn't proven it in big games. Seriously this fan base gets more ridiculous by the minute.
 
To be real what backs are lighting up top 10 defenses?

Mother****ers would need to turn into Barry Sanders for that to happen There's been no one in the Modern Era close to Barry. Not even AP.
 
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