12 coaches have produced consecutive seasons of 6 yards per

[JHallCanes]

Unless he transitions the way New England has tried to, you are the same people who will ***** when we can't win big games because tough defenses keep us from converting red zone opportunities. It's nice to have great stats and fly the ball up and down the field between the 20s. That's going to get Andy Reid fired this year. That has led Scott Linehan's Lions to a 4-7 record despite extremely good talent.

No one is saying he isn't a talented play designer. Most people are saying he needs to evolve and focus so that his style is as effective in the tough games.

No one is going to question that the names on there have a common denominator? Just how many crucial games have been won overall?

Funny that someone like Al Borges is on there, as this is a description of him:

"Al Borges has spent the vast majority of this year running an offense that was never sure of what it was or what it had." http://www.freep.com/article/201211...rdinator-Al-Borges-dropped-ball-vs-Ohio-State

The bottom line is that Fisch is talented. Fisch needs to evolve because it's fun to put 52 points on Duke, but most of us prefer to see 31 points and effectiveness inside the 20 against FSU.

If we're going to have a discussion about this, please don't reduce this to a "you people think Fisch sucks" vs "Fisch is amazing" thread.

Stopped reading right here. 100% accurate.

I will say this though, I think it was obvious from the get-go that the plan was to score as many points as humanly possible on offense. Ebb and flow of the game be damned we knew we were going to have a horrible defense.

I'm confident we see Fisch evolve.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Football is a team game. Not a game of units.

You can't put an offense out there for 25m per game, drop 40 on a mediocre opponent and then cry poor mouth and foul when the defense lets up 41. What the offense does directly impacts defense and special teams. What the defense does directly impacts offense and special teams. What the special teams does directly impacts offense and defense.

You can score as fast as you want, but it does you no good when the defense comes back on the field 2 minutes later and the opposing offense drives on'em for another 4m for a score. Sooner or later, to use a chess analogy, you end up in a stalemate when you sacrifice a piece for a piece.

DEFENSE. what was 2001 TOP . just curios or maybe not TOP but average TOP for scoring drives I bet under 2:30

Are you guys really arguing that the 2001 team did not have multiple gears? The tougher the game, the more they downshifted. Against VTech to end the season, we ran the ball TWO times as much as we passed the ball. We ran the ball 41x that game. We held the ball for 34+ minutes or 57% of the game.

Sorry, it sounds like some of you were either too young or weren't playing close enough attention. That team does not fit in with the offensive styles listed in the original post.

What happens against Florida State if we run the ball 45 times this year?

We dont know, our offense was too busy going 3 and out passing it, meanwhile our RBs were averaging 3 and 3.6 ypc on only 16 TOTAL carries

And LMAO@ ANYONE thinking that the 2001 team couldnt run the ball


Portis WON us that game vs BC in 2001 when Dorsey was having an off day......SMH

GoV, I officially give up trying to talk football on here, without trolling. Lu and Larry literally posted essays filled with good points and these guys do nothing to refute them but post little one or two line quips. It's a joke.

When they want to open up their minds and start thinking about things that go beyond the scope of what numbers Morris and Fisch put up, then I'll be ready to talk.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

DEFENSE. what was 2001 TOP . just curios or maybe not TOP but average TOP for scoring drives I bet under 2:30

Are you guys really arguing that the 2001 team did not have multiple gears? The tougher the game, the more they downshifted. Against VTech to end the season, we ran the ball TWO times as much as we passed the ball. We ran the ball 41x that game. We held the ball for 34+ minutes or 57% of the game.

Sorry, it sounds like some of you were either too young or weren't playing close enough attention. That team does not fit in with the offensive styles listed in the original post.

What happens against Florida State if we run the ball 45 times this year?

We dont know, our offense was too busy going 3 and out passing it, meanwhile our RBs were averaging 3 and 3.6 ypc on only 16 TOTAL carries

And LMAO@ ANYONE thinking that the 2001 team couldnt run the ball


Portis WON us that game vs BC in 2001 when Dorsey was having an off day......SMH

GoV, I officially give up trying to talk football on here, without trolling. Lu and Larry literally posted essays filled with good points and these guys do nothing to refute them but post little one or two line quips. It's a joke.

When they want to open up their minds and start thinking about things that go beyond the scope of what numbers Morris and Fisch put up, then I'll be ready to talk.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Im still LOLing @ the "2001 canes didnt grind anything out" and they point to the BC game as an example


Portis ONLY had 36 carries for 160 yards



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[JHallCanes]

Thing is, it's not like Golden has no say in what Fisch does on offense. Again I think both of them agreed we would need to put up a ton of points. Unfortunately the adjustments weren't always there.

I think they are both smart guys and should know how to adapt the team to what we have.

 

[BigCaneAl]

2001 ship. first three scoring drives TOP 18 sec. , .33 sec. , 3:04 min

Is this guy for real right now?

Perhaps Portis and Dre should have taken a knee instead of scoring? You are confusing fast paced offense with simply being explosive. We didn't run no huddle, we just had studs that could take it the distance. Oregon runs a fast paced offense....different animal. If you are running off tackle and you break it for 80 yards and score in 10 seconds that doesn't equal a fast paced offense.

 

[Aliveguy]

And the 2001 team was on autopilot with that fraud coaching. Imagine how good they would have been with a real coach. Best team o f all time but definitely poorly coached.
Wish our defense would dominate like that one. 34 -0 halftime Mnc game lmao