Upon Further Review: Manny Diaz as DC

Lance Roffers

Feb 6, 2021 6 min read

With the news coming out that Manny will serve as the playcaller for the defense, returning to the de facto DC position, I wanted to dive deeper to establish whether Coach Diaz was a top-shelf DC or not.

Methodology
It started with a Twitter debate, where fans online perceived Coach Diaz as either an average DC, or even a poor one. From there, I asked for fans to identify the top-5 DC’s currently in college and received a list of various names. I settled on these names:

Brett Venables- Clemson
Marcus Freeman- Cincinnati (now Notre Dame)
Dave Aranda- LSU (now HC at Baylor)
Jim Leonhard- Wisconsin
Jon Heacock- Iowa State
Blake Baker- Miami

There are other worthy candidates, but this list seemed like a representative start of identifying how standout DC’s perform in their roles.

I am using a sample size of three years for each of them, except for Baker, as I am using him for a control to show how Miami fared under Baker as opposed to Manny Diaz.

The metric I am using is Yards Per Play. I chose Yards Per Play (YPP) because it is simple to calculate, readily available, and is a good catch-all for how a defense fares against an opposing offense overall.

To gauge how a team fared against peers, I am removing teams that are not of like-quality. I.E. a Power-5 team, I am removing all non-Power-5 teams from their results. For Cincinnati, I am removing lower tier FBS teams and all FCS teams. This helps to stabilize the talent of the teams and removes a defense beating up on the Missouri State’s of the world.

From here, I calculated the “Win Percentage” that a DC against opposing offenses. A win is holding the offense under their standard average against other peer-like teams, a loss is allowing them to outperform their YPP against that DC’s defense.

Additionally, I wanted to calculate the “Difference” between what each DC allowed on YPP and what those opponents averaged against other peer opponents.

I also calculated the standard deviations of the opponents’ offensive performance and tabulated the number of times each DC held their opponents one standard deviation under their average and two standard deviations. I calculated how often the DC allowed their opponent to outperform their average by one and two standard deviations as well.

Results
By looking at performances against peer institutions and then then weighing it against their offensive performance against other peer opponents I believe you are getting at the actual contributions of each DC and can accurately gauge the quality of coach. The results pass the “smell test” as well, with Venables being far and away the best and Blake Baker being far and away the worst.

Here are the results for % of games holding opponents under their norms (Win Percentage):

Coach Diaz fares very well here, finishing second among the group of DC’s with a win percentage of 77.4%. Venables leads the pack, as he does in every category, by holding an opponent under their norms an astonishing 86.5% of the time. Keep in mind, this is against peer institutions, so no Bethune Cookman’s propping up that number for Venables (or anyone).

Surprisingly, Blake Baker did not come in last here, as Jim Leonhard and Jon Heacock both finished lower than his 68.4% showing.

Here are the results for Yards Per Play (YPP):

Again, Venables leads the way, with Coach Diaz coming in second. Marcus Freeman is the third DC to hold opponents to under 5 YPP, but keep in mind he is doing that at Cincinnati, with a decided talent advantage against even some conference foes. Clemson may have a talent advantage over their opponents, but the revenue from the ACC to each team at least allows them to be competitive in resources. Some teams in the AAC have a wide budget gap between themselves and Cincinnati.

Blake Baker comes in last in this metric, not surprisingly. That is a gap of .58 yards per play allowed between Baker and Diaz, which is cavernous.

Finally, here are the results for how each DC fared at holding their opponents below their norms (Difference):

Venables comes in at a ludicrous -1.17 YPP against peer institutions and their offensive averages. Marcus Freeman is second, but Manny comes in third at -0.84 YPP.

Blake Baker does not finish in last place in this metric, surprisingly, Jim Leonhard does. Leonhard appears to be a bit overrated by fans currently.

Overall:
For those of you who just skip to the end, suffice to say, Coach Diaz comes in second amongst this group of DC’s over a three-year sample. Over this time, keep in mind that Coach Diaz only had Gerald Willis for one season and had three true freshmen LB’s to scheme around. Then he introduced the Striker into his defense in this sampling as well. Venables, Aranda, Leonhard, Heacock are considered among the best names in the game, so Coach Diaz is definitely an excellent DC, who will be a massive upgrade over Blake Baker.

In looking at the performances of Coach Diaz, a few things stand out:

Coach Diaz will consistently hold an offense under their norms, but will generally not dominate an offense (over one standard deviation under their norms), as he did this in only 29% of games. Venables did this an absurd 57% of the time. Coach Diaz has only held an offense two standard deviations under their norm once (Against Virginia in 2018), while Venables has done that six times over the last three years.
Coach Diaz’s defenses are remarkably consistent in their ability to scheme negative plays against an offense and hold their overall performance down.

I went into this exercise expecting to find Coach Diaz was outside of that elite tier of DC’s and would be solidly in the “good” tier, but the data confirms that Coach Diaz profiles in the 90th percentile of DC’s in the country and will put up a performance far better than we have seen over the past two seasons.

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simplycanes

Feb 9, 2021

The Franchise said:
Good point. Sam Howell only threw for 223 yards on us this year. We held him under his season average, and only one team held him to less (Notre Dame). In the stat world, that's a win Miami.

I am pretty sure Blake James out that on his out-of-office reply that following week.

MovingZen

Feb 9, 2021

I swear I really really want to be optimistic but I just can't get past agreeing with most of what Franchise, Nick, Jedi, and others are saying. I just don't see Manny taking us to sustained success. Is it possible he gets struck by a playoffs lightning bolt? sure, but there's no way he's the guy to return Miami to the dominance of the old days. No way. He is not that guy, and you're kidding yourself if you think he is. RVA is right, hopefully Manny stacks the **** out of this team for whoever it is that replaces him. There will be no Ark in the box Manny opens. All we can hope is that Fake won't be the one making the next hire.

What I always say: Stats are for when you want to point out something other than the obvious.

CashMoneyCane

Feb 9, 2021

NicKane said:
And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh

You and I both know you couldn't hold yourself for five seconds in an actual discussion about statistics.

Go back to negging all my posts, which is all you're capable of, loser.

OriginalCanesCanesCanes

Feb 9, 2021

Typical @NicKane post:

And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY

CashMoneyCane

Feb 9, 2021

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Typical @NicKane post:

And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY

Inadequately prolix to be representative of that douche, but overall apt.

CashMoneyCane

Feb 9, 2021

MovingZen said:
I swear I really really want to be optimistic but I just can't get past agreeing with most of what Franchise, Nick, Jedi, and others are saying. I just don't see Manny taking us to sustained success. Is it possible he gets struck by a playoffs lightning bolt? sure, but there's no way he's the guy to return Miami to the dominance of the old days. No way. He is not that guy, and you're kidding yourself if you think he is. RVA is right, hopefully Manny stacks the **** out of this team for whoever it is that replaces him. There will be no Ark in the box Manny opens. All we can hope is that Fake won't be the one making the next hire.

What I always say: Stats are for when you want to point out something other than the obvious.

People that "always say stats are..." usually don't understand statistics, at all.

CashMoneyCane

Feb 9, 2021

Here's what the vast majority of you don't understand about statistics: the strength of the data increases as the amount of data increases.

Almost everything we look at regarding football is a relatively small sample size. Three seasons really is not that many games, on a statistical basis.

BUT, it all boils down to one of two scenarios:

1) The statistics are indicative of the actual trend. The stats say Manny is a good DC, and the more games that are played, on average, the more that hypothesis will be proven, -OR-
2) The statistics are an aberration, a fluke, an anomaly, and will be subject to regression to the mean, at best.

While always holding reservation, I'm inclined to believe in the data as I see it.

Go Canes!!

Feb 9, 2021

MovingZen said:
I swear I really really want to be optimistic but I just can't get past agreeing with most of what Franchise, Nick, Jedi, and others are saying. I just don't see Manny taking us to sustained success. Is it possible he gets struck by a playoffs lightning bolt? sure, but there's no way he's the guy to return Miami to the dominance of the old days. No way. He is not that guy, and you're kidding yourself if you think he is. RVA is right, hopefully Manny stacks the **** out of this team for whoever it is that replaces him. There will be no Ark in the box Manny opens. All we can hope is that Fake won't be the one making the next hire.

What I always say: Stats are for when you want to point out something other than the obvious.

Loking past a huge sample size because it doesn’t meet someone’s eye test is patently absurd.

CashMoneyCane

Feb 9, 2021

Go Canes!! said:
Loking past a huge sample size because it doesn’t meet someone’s eye test is patently absurd.

Not to be deliberately contrarian, but I don't think we have anything near a "huge" sample size regarding Diaz as DC. Bud Foster at VT would be a huge sample size. And even at that, there are so, so many issues with applying stats to football that it will always be problematic.

I believe in the data as it exists and is indicative of potential performance over the long term, but there are far too many exogenous factors to have any real assurance in my view.

simplycanes

Feb 9, 2021

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Typical @NicKane post:

And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY

I got a little dizzy, but did you mention the banner?

Go Canes!!

Feb 9, 2021

CashMoneyCane said:
Not to be deliberately contrarian, but I don't think we have anything near a "huge" sample size regarding Diaz as DC. Bud Foster at VT would be a huge sample size. And even at that, there are so, so many issues with applying stats to football that it will always be problematic.

I believe in the data as it exists and is indicative of potential performance over the long term, but there are far too many exogenous factors to have any real assurance in my view.

After 45-50 games you are what you are, good or bad.

CashMoneyCane

Feb 9, 2021

Go Canes!! said:
After 45-50 games you are what you are, good or bad.

Correct. But that doesn't make it a huge sample size.

If we flip a coin three times, and that's all we'll ever get, and they're heads all three times, it doesn't make it a large sample size, nor does it make it indicative of the reality of the underlying trend.

423Hurricane

Feb 9, 2021

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Typical @NicKane post:

And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. Smh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And statistics aren’t CashManureCane? I guess you weren’t here for the Goldy/NoD years when they would throw out some meaningless statistics to try and fool us that NoD was good at his job! Lmao but us with eyes, especially us who played the game saw right through that complete line of BS! Just like we see right through the espn wonder boys nerd stats because stats can be cherry picked to frame whatever narrative you want in a complete biased way. Of course you and your fellow slurper brigade are incapable of seeing that because of your own AGENDAS. Smh luckily some of us are smart enough to use the age old method of using the good ole “eye test” to evaluate what we’re seeing at what we’re seeing is a defense that lacks any discipline, gap integrity, fundamentals or principles whatsoever. Basically what it looks like is Manure is coaching this defense to run around like a chicken with its head cut off in little Havana for the sake of getting TFL one play but the very next play giving up a 15 to 20 yard run. It’s Mickey Mouse amateur hour top to bottom and no “stats” are gonna change that. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah HATE MANNY HATE MANNY

No offense, but as with all Nik’s other porsts, I didn’t read all of this either.

OriginalCanesCanesCanes

Feb 9, 2021

simplycanes said:
I got a little dizzy, but did you mention the banner?

I should have, and the lawn truck with that crayon sign - I should’ve mentioned that also

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HurricaneHauk

Feb 9, 2021

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I should have, and the lawn truck with that crayon sign - I should’ve mentioned that also

Don’t give him credit for that one, that was out of his price range

MovingZen

Feb 9, 2021

Go Canes!! said:
Loking past a huge sample size because it doesn’t meet someone’s eye test is patently absurd.

If I go 50-5 as a fighter and 45 of my fights are wins against 3 year old girls.. does that make me a good fighter? Cause my record sure says I am. Looking past the obvious because you can find a stat that says something else is just as absurd.

Go Canes!!

Feb 9, 2021

MovingZen said:
If I go 50-5 as a fighter and 45 of my fights are wins against 3 year old girls.. does that make me a good fighter? Cause my record sure says I am. Looking past the obvious because you can find a stat that says something else is just as absurd.

I’ll keep this in mind when we switch to the Tamiami Pee Wee league from a Power 5 conference.

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HurricaneHauk

Feb 9, 2021

MovingZen said:
If I go 50-5 as a fighter and 45 of my fights are wins against 3 year old girls.. does that make me a good fighter? Cause my record sure says I am. Looking past the obvious because you can find a stat that says something else is just as absurd.

Were your 5 losses to 3 year olds girls as well ?

MovingZen

Feb 9, 2021

Go Canes!! said:
I’ll keep this in mind when we switch to the Tamiami Pee Wee league from a Power 5 conference.

We're already in the coastal.

MovingZen

Feb 9, 2021

HurricaneHauk said:
Were your 5 losses to 3 year olds girls as well ?

You want to make a $1K cash bet that Manny is removed from his head coach position at Miami football before he wins a national championship at Miami in football as the head coach?

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