The struggle at defensive back

DMoney
DMoney
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Before I get into it, let me start with a disclaimer: this not a thread about Guidry's coaching, nor is it an excuse for him. Our defense has many issues that go beyond talent. But I wanted to focus on this specific problem, since it's plagued us for almost a decade now.

The last time Miami played great pass defense was from 2016-2018. We finished 12th, 20th and 4th nationally in pass efficiency defense over those three seasons. There are a lot of reasons why those groups played well, but one of them jumped off the page. Here are our starters from that era and the amount of games they played in the NFL:

Adrian Colbert- 41 games
Corn Elder- 35 games
Rayshawn Jenkins- 115 games (and counting)
Jamal Carter- 29 games
Jaquan Johnson- 60 games
Sheldrick Redwine- 34 games
Dee Delaney- 52 games
Mike Jackson- 48 games (and counting)

It's not complicated- we had some talent. Pretty much every DB starter from that period played multiple NFL seasons. It seems the sweet spot was Al Golden's recruits playing in Manny Diaz's scheme (two more Golden DBs, Artie Burns and Deon Bush, were drafted the previous year).

Now look at the drought that followed. From 2016-2022 (seven recruiting cycles), these are the only DBs we signed out of high school who were drafted as defensive backs:

DJ Ivey
Kam Kinchens


That's it. Two in seven years. If you include James Williams, who was drafted as a LB, it becomes three. And even though the problem goes well beyond local misses, this is an era where South Florida DBs got drafted in droves:

Patrick Surtain (1)
CJ Henderson (1)
Kaiir Elam (1)
Tyson Campbell (2)
Asante Samuel (2)
Trayvon Mullen (2)
Jordan Battle (3)
Marco Wilson (4)
Jarvis Brownlee (5)
Josh Metellus (6)
Rachad Wildgoose (6)
Faion Hicks (7)
James Wiggins (7)

When I look at the current group, OJ Frederique is the only guy that I feel good about as a future NFL talent. Maybe Damari Brown if he comes back strong. But this is a problem that has plagued us for a long time and has only gotten worse in past nine years. Mario's first full class (2023) was notably lacking in defensive backs, so it's not just a Manny issue.

We need to land multiple NFL defensive backs in the Class of 2025, and the Portal will have to make up for some misses. Miami is not Miami without a great secondary.

 

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Golden has turned into an incredible, Butch Davis like evaluator of talent. He losses Ben Morrison and next man up. He has a pile of 3/4 star kids at all 3 levels ready to produce in year 1 or 2. We have failed at recruiting and developing all 3 levels. If this staff didn’t have a huge pocket book they would be on their way to being fired in 25 or 26. Take notes from Mirable on how he evaluates. First, look the part. These great defenses have one thing in common, they all look the part thru the 3 deep.
 
@DMoney good note and I want to ask this question regarding this?

Last year OJ was in some respects like a Tier 2 or Tier 3 CB recruit for us. He wasn't someone a lot of folks were talking about, wasn't high profile or even the top guy in South Florida. What about OJ did everyone miss? He's played tremendously and out performed many guys ranked ahead of him. Did folks internally think he was this good? I have to assume folks watched him in HS play so curious what clicked for him. He's surpassed everyone on our roster who was higher ranked. Granted Damari is hurt but he might as well there.

Secondly, who are those guys this year? Each year we are after the top 2 or 3 guys down here but looking at your list above there are a number of guys ont there that were #4 or #5 or even #6 in South Florida rankings. Why do we keep missing.
 
You can also add receiver.
Love Berrios. But considering the sofla receivers in the last 10 years that have produced and ended up in the nfl and you start realizing it’s both bad recruiting or plain lack of interest from local kids.
 
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You can also add receiver.
Love Berrios. But considering the sofla receivers in the last 10 years that have produced and ended up in the nfl and you start realizing it’s both bad recruiting or plain lack of interest from local kids.

Mario just signed, at worst, a Top 5 WR recruiting class nationally. Over the past 10 years, sure I agree with you. But we're in the situation we're in right now at DB because that is the one spot Mario hasn't succeeded with since his arrival. Or at least, it's the worst one of all position groups.

But in Mario's 2 classes, he has signed:

Robby Washington
Ray Ray Joseph
Jojo Trader
Ny Carr
Chance Robinson

Every single one of those kids was a Top 200 overall player in the country. 5 true blue-chip players, with Trader and Carr flirting with 5-star status.

At the same time, we've only signed three blue-chip DBs (Patterson, Brown, Stafford). And the DB group was in much worse shape when Mario arrived than the WR group, so really these numbers should be flipped, at worst. Mario inherited Restrepo and George, and Horton was already committed when he was hired.

Mario has done a very good job flipping the roster, as evidenced by how much better this team is overall than it was in 2022. But we all shared the same concerns coming into the year, and they've come true: Where is the talent in the secondary? They MUST find plug and play starters for 2025, and they better hope they sign the best DB class in the country, which they're probably in the running for. There is plenty to like about what Mario has done since he's been here, but the DB recruiting has been by far the most glaring issue.
 
When we hit on a recruit it’s Mario da gawd.

When we whiff it’s the coordinator or position coach.

At the end of the day, everyone is at fault. No use crying over spilled milk, fix it and fix it fast - or 2025 might be a rude awakening without Cam.
 
You can also add receiver.
Love Berrios. But considering the sofla receivers in the last 10 years that have produced and ended up in the nfl and you start realizing it’s both bad recruiting or plain lack of interest from local kids.
Good point. WR might be worse. The last receiver we signed who made the NFL was Braxton Berrios, Class of 2014.

But that one has turned around lately. Still no first rounder, but Restrepo, George and Horton are part of a very good group.
 
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would agree the D.Backs are not great but tackling is not an issue of "talent"
also take the right pursuit angles!!!! I was at GT game and we seemed to never take the "angle" in pursuit
 
Good point. WR might be worse. The last receiver we signed who made the NFL was Braxton Berrios, Class of 2014.

But that one has turned around lately. Still no first rounder, but Restrepo, George and Horton are part of a very good group.
We sure it is a recruiting issue and not a development issue? At WR and DB.
 
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@DMoney good note and I want to ask this question regarding this?

Last year OJ was in some respects like a Tier 2 or Tier 3 CB recruit for us. He wasn't someone a lot of folks were talking about, wasn't high profile or even the top guy in South Florida. What about OJ did everyone miss? He's played tremendously and out performed many guys ranked ahead of him. Did folks internally think he was this good? I have to assume folks watched him in HS play so curious what clicked for him. He's surpassed everyone on our roster who was higher ranked. Granted Damari is hurt but he might as well there.

Secondly, who are those guys this year? Each year we are after the top 2 or 3 guys down here but looking at your list above there are a number of guys ont there that were #4 or #5 or even #6 in South Florida rankings. Why do we keep missing.
Not d$ but he grew a few inches before his senior year.. wasn't d1 size prior and became that late, his coach on here mentioned in past
 
Guidry's personal choices in back 7 are a problem.

Damari is an NFL talent. Damari (if healthy) and OJ are a good starting combo. Injuries to Isiah Thomas hurt us, that kid is a legit starting safety at peak health.
 
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