Notice of Allegations update

Jan 12, 2013 1 min read

Rumors are swirling that UM could be getting it's Notice of Allegations from the NCAA soon.

According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald, he says in his latest Miami Sports Buzz column that UM expects to receive the NOA "any day now". This is what we've been waiting for. It's kind of unnerving to me that we are getting this a couple of weeks before Signing day. But it's best to go ahead and get it over with I guess.

It's important to note that this is just the notice of allegations, not the punishment. Think of it as an indictment. We haven't had our trial yet. But, we'll get good idea of what we got coming our way based off of this report. Until then...

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caneworld

Jan 13, 2013

Gamineal said:
basketball team gets hammered...football 18-25 schollys over 3 years..we get hit

Then they need to go after Haith and nail him too.

Consigliere

Jan 13, 2013

Gamineal said:
basketball team gets hammered...football 18-25 schollys over 3 years..we get hit

See the Bruce Pearl situation. None of those coaches are here anymore and DQJ was reinstated.

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Awsi Dooger

Jan 13, 2013

I agree with Feldman. I can't imagine the NCAA not handing out at least one year bowl ban. This case has been so high profile with so much time expenditure they'll feel justified and almost obligated to do it, particularly considering public opinion stacked against the Canes. Even if the initial indications don't look too bad I'd expect the penalty phase to work against us.

I'm a USC alum, but more of a Canes fan. During the USC case I wanted to be optimistic, and I read all the rationalizations and deflections on their boards. But I couldn't escape the foundational impression that the case had simply dragged on too long, with enormous frustrations and energy expenditure from the NCAA, to logically expect a benefit of a doubt. Every 50/50 ball is likely to go the other way. I think there's too much optimism around here, particularly that the 2-year self impose has solved everything. Prosecutors of this type love to sit there with a smug grin as severe punishment is handed out, with their name attached.

The Franchise

Jan 13, 2013

Problem2 said:
Feldman

.@GinoTorretta My GUESS UM gets LOIC; maybe 1 more postseason ban (meaning would have 3 served) & significant scholarship losses.
12:54pm - 13 Jan 13

LULZ at another bowl ban. Felchman done lost his **** mind.

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bg534

Jan 13, 2013

Except USC really didn't cooperate with the investigation and the administration there made the investigative team's job more difficult at every turn. The UM administration has attempted to make things easier for the NCAA, even though some former players refuse to talk to them, which is hardly grounds for punishment of UM.

No doubt we get scholarship reductions, however. Any reductions less than or equal to 15 scholarships really do not set the program back at all. 15 scholarships over, let us say, three years is the difference between grabbing reaches and projects like Eddie Johnson, and it would suck to not be able to grab anymore Eddie Johnson's for the next three years, but ultimately we can still win a championship with the guys we will still be able to grab. Most Eddie Johnson's don't end up being as good as Eddie Johnson anyways.

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bbcane

Jan 13, 2013

Awsi Dooger said:
I agree with Feldman. I can't imagine the NCAA not handing out at least one year bowl ban. This case has been so high profile with so much time expenditure they'll feel justified and almost obligated to do it, particularly considering public opinion stacked against the Canes. Even if the initial indications don't look too bad I'd expect the penalty phase to work against us.

I'm a USC alum, but more of a Canes fan. During the USC case I wanted to be optimistic, and I read all the rationalizations and deflections on their boards. But I couldn't escape the foundational impression that the case had simply dragged on too long, with enormous frustrations and energy expenditure from the NCAA, to logically expect a benefit of a doubt. Every 50/50 ball is likely to go the other way. I think there's too much optimism around here, particularly that the 2-year self impose has solved everything. Prosecutors of this type love to sit there with a smug grin as severe punishment is handed out, with their name attached.

From my understanding there have not been 3 yr post season ban save death penalty and pennstate ever in the NCAA. But we will get one for boats, hoes , and maybe at most 25,000 cash which is mostly basketball

The Franchise

Jan 13, 2013

bg534 said:
Except USC really didn't cooperate with the investigation and the administration there made the investigative team's job more difficult at every turn. The UM administration has attempted to make things easier for the NCAA, even though some former players refuse to talk to them, which is hardly grounds for punishment of UM.

No doubt we get scholarship reductions, however. Any reductions less than or equal to 15 scholarships really do not set the program back at all. 15 scholarships over, let us say, three years is the difference between grabbing reaches and projects like Eddie Johnson, and it would suck to not be able to grab anymore Eddie Johnson's for the next three years, but ultimately we can still win a championship with the guys we will still be able to grab. Most Eddie Johnson's don't end up being as good as Eddie Johnson anyways.

One of the major differences between the cases is that Emmert wasn't in charge back then. He has tried to brin uniformity to the punishments handed down and has tried to focus on punishing the corches involved. Look at all the cases that have come down since he took over. Lots of uniformity.

I challenge anyone to tell me how our case is any worse than UCF, who they hung LOIC on. How many bowl bans did they get? How many did UNC get for egregious widespread cheating and the Asst HC being directly involved and paid by an agent Wichard?

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GeminiCane

Jan 13, 2013

At a time when public opinion about the NCAA is low, if they hammer us despite all of our cooperation and pro-active approach towards multiple bowl bans, why would programs in the future cooperate with the NCAA if they are just going to get crushed. I suspect that the bulk of the punishment will be directed towards the coaches. If you read the tea leaves you can't help but notice that Golden is recruiting a class in the 20s when at times during the season there was talk of a class in the teens.

Consigliere

Jan 13, 2013

The Franchise said:
bg534 said:

Except USC really didn't cooperate with the investigation and the administration there made the investigative team's job more difficult at every turn. The UM administration has attempted to make things easier for the NCAA, even though some former players refuse to talk to them, which is hardly grounds for punishment of UM.

No doubt we get scholarship reductions, however. Any reductions less than or equal to 15 scholarships really do not set the program back at all. 15 scholarships over, let us say, three years is the difference between grabbing reaches and projects like Eddie Johnson, and it would suck to not be able to grab anymore Eddie Johnson's for the next three years, but ultimately we can still win a championship with the guys we will still be able to grab. Most Eddie Johnson's don't end up being as good as Eddie Johnson anyways.

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One of the major differences between the cases is that Emmert wasn't in charge back then. He has tried to brin uniformity to the punishments handed down and has tried to focus on punishing the corches involved. Look at all the cases that have come down since he took over. Lots of uniformity.

I challenge anyone to tell me how our case is any worse than UCF, who they hung LOIC on. How many bowl bans did they get? How many did UNC get for egregious widespread cheating and the Asst HC being directly involved and paid by an agent Wichard?

I am not a big fan of comparing us to them but UCF and UNC committed much more egregiousness acts then we did. The difference is people hate Miami and over-sensationalize sone benihana dinners and acts that amounted to about 1/20-1/35th the value of USC's bull ****.

What about what Boise State did? How many sports we're involved there? How many football players 60+?

Consigliere

Jan 13, 2013

GeminiCane said:
At a time when public opinion about the NCAA is low, if they hammer us despite all of our cooperation and pro-active approach towards multiple bowl bans, why would programs in the future cooperate with the NCAA if they are just going to get crushed. I suspect that the bulk of the punishment will be directed towards the coaches. If you read the tea leaves you can't help but notice that Golden is recruiting a class in the 20s when at times during the season there was talk of a class in the teens.

Nobody would. That is why Mark Emmert would be the dumbest man in the world for going public with his comments on Miami being "incredibly cooperative." He laid the blue print on what he wants, he would really make his job next to impossible to rape us.

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Southcane

Jan 13, 2013

Considering how cooperative, forthcoming and proactive Miami has been from day one, the statue and the respect our president has among her peers, I will be very surprised if we suffer another bowl ban.
If Miami does not agree with the findings and punishment, I am expecting that we will vigorously challenge them in the hearing in front of the committee.

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dk72

Jan 13, 2013

Gamineal said:
basketball team gets hammered...football 18-25 schollys over 3 years..we get hit

What's the latest on the basketball team? Only thing I had heard was the supposed $10k for Daquan Jones' family. But everything I'd read also showed that the date that Shapiro claims the request came in was AFTER Daquan had already signed his LOI, therefore it doesn't even make sense that there would be a payment for someone that was already signed.

LuCane

Jan 13, 2013

The Franchise said:
Problem2 said:

Feldman

.@GinoTorretta My GUESS UM gets LOIC; maybe 1 more postseason ban (meaning would have 3 served) & significant scholarship losses.
12:54pm - 13 Jan 13

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LULZ at another bowl ban. Felchman done lost his **** mind.

Feldman is a laggard. He knows only slightly more than anyone else on here, and even then that's questionable.

We've already been obviously working the "we've taken the 3 postseason bowl bans" angle, by mentioning the ACC Championship game in almost every single PR piece.

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canesdude

Jan 13, 2013

Our lawyers and Shalala will go in with guns a blazing and fight against allegations that are not proven by the NCAA.

miamimike

Jan 13, 2013

caneworld said:
Gamineal said:

basketball team gets hammered...football 18-25 schollys over 3 years..we get hit

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Then they need to go after Haith and nail him too.

Gamineal said:
basketball team gets hammered...football 18-25 schollys over 3 years..we get hit

U r out of your ***knnnn mind! If we get that we r getting fffnnn hammered. My guess is probation, 2 yr bowl ban(already served and then some), and 10 additional scolly loss after factoring in we have been below the 85. So probation + 3 scolly over 3 yrs. No guess as to bball. Dont really care either. Former assistants get slapped. All complete guesses.

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DJWilliams55

Jan 13, 2013

DMoney....what do you have for us on this?

18-25 would really **** me off. Why would they give these positive signals if that's what it was. It will be hard to manage more than 15.

Burr

Jan 13, 2013

canesdude said:
Our lawyers and Shalala will go in with guns a blazing and fight against allegations that are not proven by the NCAA.

THIS.

NCAA can accuse us of what they want doesn't really matter.mtheir gonna have to deal with that dyke ***** Donna and all of her lawyers who fight supreme court cases for fun. I think no matter what NCAA says, we don't end up with it. If they give us a bowl ban we probably get it dropped but keep the scholarship deductions after bringing this in front of the committee

SoFlaSmitty

Jan 13, 2013

asad91 said:
**** the NCAA for doing this so close to signing day...hopefully its not too bad and the recruits realize it won't have that big of an impact on them because we already took 2 bowl bans what more do they want other than scholarship reductions.

The reason it doesn't matter is cause even if they sign here and the ncaa gives us any penalties the recruits will be allowed to transfer with no penalty if they feel they need to.

bobbydigius

Jan 13, 2013

DJWilliams55 said:
DMoney....what do you have for us on this?

18-25 would really **** me off. Why would they give these positive signals if that's what it was. It will be hard to manage more than 15.

If we got 6 scholly for three years taken and 1 more bowl ban while that sucks it would not be that bad. Lets put it this way, that is probably significantly less than what our rivals have telling recruits the past 2 years. Also while another bowl ban may mess up things regarding the 2013 class, it would have no bearing on the monster potential class of 2014.

LuCane

Jan 13, 2013

bobbydigius said:
DJWilliams55 said:

DMoney....what do you have for us on this?

18-25 would really **** me off. Why would they give these positive signals if that's what it was. It will be hard to manage more than 15.

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If we got 6 scholly for three years taken and 1 more bowl ban while that sucks it would not be that bad. Lets put it this way, that is probably significantly less than what our rivals have telling recruits the past 2 years. Also while another bowl ban may mess up things regarding the 2013 class, it would have no bearing on the monster potential class of 2014.

Dude, stop. Another bowl ban would be ******* ridiculous. So, I guess we're somehow just below PSU's level.

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