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You replied to a post which ended: "but lock him up and throw away the key is crazy" by writing "**** that bull****". That was what I reacted to. Perhaps I misunderstood your comment. But IMO stealing and breaking & entry still doesn't merit throwing away the key.
Depends on what modern day car you're talking about. Tesla is the most modern day vehicle and basically fully unstealable except by literally towing it away, and even if you did it's fully trackable and you can stop the vehicle from your phone.
But also sounds like they literally just opened the car hit the garage door opener then got in the house and actually got the keys. Wouldn't be surprised if there was someone who ripped them off where the keys would be or something...
You are accurate. My frustration was more about the earlier statement, about how he "just stole some cars". I should have been more precise in my response, I was certainly unclear on that bit. Appreciate the dialogue.
Appreciate you, TOC.
how about throwing away the "FOB"....
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Depending on where you reside, the felon may (or may not) be locked up.
Some municipalities prosecute crimes to the full extent of the law. Others, like NYC, let criminals loose.
Is what it is. Strange world we reside in.
You really don't understand that you pay higher insurance premiums for everything (home, auto, health) b/c of fraud and theft? #Wow
This is a very simple thing for ordinary folks like me. Criminals break the law, they should go to jail. When a cop arrests a criminal, the DA should prosecute the case, and the judge should lock the criminal up. I am all for bail, very high bail, depending on the severity of the crime. This idea that one is innocent until proven guilty is a crock of ****, lol.
Just lock the scumbags up in cages and society will be a better, safer place.
They do have a master key as well and a program that resets the car and wipes the vin # and all. All those things are changeable, Idk about Tesla though tbh. But I always say anything can be taken away eventually.
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Beck is a moron. But I guess most of these new money millionaire kids are. Buy a truck.
It’s going to be interesting. Let’s track all these kids since NIL, let’s see how many go broke, don’t graduate from college and never make the pros. I am going to go out on a limb here and say, a large percentage of them.
And yet, it is one of the crocks of **** upon which this country was founded.
So...I don't know...
And...again...I would like to know what happens when there is insufficient funding for the DAs and judges (and even the cops) to do their jobs to the level required for an ever-increasing population.
These things don't just happen magically or in a vacuum. If you want cops and DAs and PDs and judges to "do their jobs", then we have to pay for it. "Justice" isn't a non-profit charity.
And "locking the scumbags up in cages" was tried previously, until our Founding Fathers determined that it wasn't such a hot idea.
you forgot thee most important benefit *****
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Is a truck more difficult to steal?
I'm fine with the locking him up part, but the throw away the key part(life sentence) is what I vehemently disagree with.
Just for a little context, the young men (more than one car stolen had to mean multiple perpetrators) will be charged with theft of the vehicles, but also a burglary. A burglary (at least in Georgia law) is when you enter a home without permission for the purpose of committing a theft or felony therein. It is the burglary charge which is likely to result in prison time.
Auto thefts for young and/or first time offenders rarely result in prison time as we simply don’t have enough prison space and we do not want to pay the taxes to build more prisons and warehouse more people. Not to mention the fact that as a prosecutor, you can’t take an auto thefts to trial because there are only 52 weeks in a year and the judge to which you are assigned has too many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies to have trials for auto thefts. That same judge also has civil cases and domestic cases so as a prosecutor, you typically get 15-20 weeks a year at most for trials. The average felony trial takes a week to pick a jury, have a trial and get a verdict. That means you can have 15-2- criminal trials per year. My judges always had at least that many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies that needed trial weeks, so as a prosecutor, you work out probation for first time property crimes.
Which brings us to the burglary. Burglaries can and will result in prison time because jurors will convict a person for burglary because they don’t want someone breaking into their home. And judges will sentence to prison time for burglary for the same reason. As a DA you can take a burglary to trial and win.
My guess as to sentences is:
First time offender; 2-5 years in prison followed by probation for a total sentence of 10 years.
Prior felony history; 5 years in prison followed by a lengthy probation.
And before you scream about probation, the courts put people on probation because revoking a probation and sentencing someone to prison is easier and quicker than a jury trial. And, you maybe shocked, many people do turn their lives around. Men do not have fully formed Frontal Lobes (think emotional break pads) until we are about 25 years old. Which is why we do so much impulsive stuff before the age of 25 (and why the military drafts at 18 years old when you can still convince someone to run into gunfire). Most people age out of their crimes by 25. And if they don’t, the sentences become longer and longer.
Auto thefts for young and/or first time offenders rarely result in prison time as we simply don’t have enough prison space and we do not want to pay the taxes to build more prisons and warehouse more people. Not to mention the fact that as a prosecutor, you can’t take an auto thefts to trial because there are only 52 weeks in a year and the judge to which you are assigned has too many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies to have trials for auto thefts. That same judge also has civil cases and domestic cases so as a prosecutor, you typically get 15-20 weeks a year at most for trials. The average felony trial takes a week to pick a jury, have a trial and get a verdict. That means you can have 15-2- criminal trials per year. My judges always had at least that many murders, *** crimes and armed robberies that needed trial weeks, so as a prosecutor, you work out probation for first time property crimes.
Which brings us to the burglary. Burglaries can and will result in prison time because jurors will convict a person for burglary because they don’t want someone breaking into their home. And judges will sentence to prison time for burglary for the same reason. As a DA you can take a burglary to trial and win.
My guess as to sentences is:
First time offender; 2-5 years in prison followed by probation for a total sentence of 10 years.
Prior felony history; 5 years in prison followed by a lengthy probation.
And before you scream about probation, the courts put people on probation because revoking a probation and sentencing someone to prison is easier and quicker than a jury trial. And, you maybe shocked, many people do turn their lives around. Men do not have fully formed Frontal Lobes (think emotional break pads) until we are about 25 years old. Which is why we do so much impulsive stuff before the age of 25 (and why the military drafts at 18 years old when you can still convince someone to run into gunfire). Most people age out of their crimes by 25. And if they don’t, the sentences become longer and longer.
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You’re assuming these kids are buying these cars? They aren’t lol.
Counselor, there is a lot of truth to what I said about it being a crock of ****.
The quality of life in NYC simply isn't what it used to be. Your words don't change the reality of the situation. Much of it is the result of criminals running amuck. Many used to be locked up for breaking the law, but this isn't happening as often these days. I don't believe it is because of money or resources. There are others reasons these things happen in NYC.
Fresh off the press:
Exclusive | Violent vagrant charged in NYC slashing, arson attack on store worker gets freed without bail
A deranged vagrant who allegedly slashed a worker at a Brooklyn dollar store and then tried to light his victim on fire was cut loose without bail — after just three days at Rikers Island.
nypost.com
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Counselor, there is a lot of truth to what I said about it being a crock of ****.
The quality of life in NYC simply isn't what it used to be. Your words don't change the reality of the situation. Much of it is the result of criminals running amuck. Many used to be locked up for breaking the law, but this isn't happening as often these days. I don't believe it is because of money or resources. There are others reasons these things happen in NYC.
Fresh off the press:
Exclusive | Violent vagrant charged in NYC slashing, arson attack on store worker gets freed without bail
A deranged vagrant who allegedly slashed a worker at a Brooklyn dollar store and then tried to light his victim on fire was cut loose without bail — after just three days at Rikers Island.
EXACTLY as I said.
A "DERANGED" individual who was not put into a mental health facility. Because that stuff isn't funded at the necessary level.
But right on time, the NY Post will blame cash-bail. As always.
The fact of the matter is that the mentally ill should not be incarcerated indefinitely in REGULAR jails (where they get insufficient treatment for mental illnesses), they should be held and treated in mental health facilities.
Just be honest, the guy in that article is not some criminal mastermind. He is mentally ill. You know it, but you're going to act like he is the criminal equivalent of gang members and/or drug dealers.
He's mentally ill. Being mentally ill, in and of itself, is not a criminal offense. And, yes, the mentally ill do sometimes commit crimes. It's sad, and yet nobody seems to address the real problem.
What do you think would actually happen to this guy if they kept him in Rikers for a few years? Seriously? Be honest and answer the question, and don't go on a tangent about how bad crime is in NYC.
