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Stats02 said:
Opinions02...I kind of like that. Might use that as my screen name on another platform. Thanks

Every year, OSU has at least two very good receivers. They have a good system, and they have recruited well at that position. It's not unreasonable to believe that another one of their talented receivers will emerge as the #2 receiver and be very productive. Some of my opinions are based off patterns as well. Chris Henry JR is the #1 WR recruit in the nation. It's not unreasonable to think he might have an impact. Do I think he will come out like gangbusters like Toney did? Absolutely not. But I think he's going to see the field a lot. I hope I'm wrong. I hope OSU implodes and has the worst season in years.

Devin McCuin had 65 receptions for 762 yds and 8 tds for UTSA in 2025. Based on those stats and facts, he's better than Josh Moore, Upshaw, Cam Vaughn, Jacobs. Do I think McCuin is better than all those guys? No. I realize he played for UTSA and is not better than Vaughn, Moore, or Jacobs. However, based on those stats, he's better than all but 2 of our receivers.

See, I don't do all that. Stats and facts are certainly one metric I use to base my opinions. They are important for sure, but I use other metrics as well....eye test, patterns, logic

For the sake of this argument, I'll change my opinion. Miami...#1 receiving group in the country. OSU...#138 receiving group in the country.
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For the millionth time, I don't give two ***** about what Taint has "every year".

You are ignoring the fact that Hartline left. Or that they have a 1st year OC. Nope, Taint is going to have "at least two very good receivers"...I don't know...just because they have in the past.

And don't give me this bull**** about "recruiting well at that position". It's NOT "recruiting well" when your second-best returning WR is Brandon Inniss, and then your third/fourth best returning WRs had 6 receptions each. TRY NOT TO GENERALIZE BASED ON PAST EVENTS WHICH ARE NOW IRRELEVANT. Focus on who is on the roster NOW. Focus on who is in the WR room NOW. Not last year.

And stop with this bull**** "comparing apples to oranges". You want to cite stats for Devin McCuin and then act like he is "better" than a bunch of our WRs? Give me a ******* break. Yeah, I know you gave lip service to how UTSA is a **** program with **** competition compared to the ACC or the SEC (where Kyle Parker played). But you can't just cite context-less stats. You have to discount his stats by his **** school and **** competition. If you think that McCuin will have 65 receptions for 762 yards and 8 TDs at Ohio Taint against Big 10 competition, you need your head examined.

Yeah, here we go again with "eye test" and "patterns". Bull****. You didn't even know who McCuin was when I first mentioned him. You couldn't have cited anyone in the Taint WR room beyond JJ and "overrated" Brandon (your words, not mine) and Henry Jr (who hasn't even set foot on the field yet), but you sure as **** were proclaiming Taint to have a better WR room than Miami. And it wasn't based on "eye test". Maybe "patterns", which is just a deflective way of saying that you based your projections on THE PAST.

Look, if you want to dig your heels, I'm going to blast your terrible arguments. Sure, you downgraded Taint to #138, but it was just a couple of posts ago that you were declaring that Taint had the best WR room in the country "if I'm being honest".

So, you know, just be honest. Admit that crowning Taint was a hot-**** take with no basis in facts, statistics, or reality. Then we can move on.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Feel free to name the better WR rooms. In the country.
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I hate the gators but Eric singleton Dallas Wilson and vernell brown is pretty **** good. OSU has Smith Innis and Chris Henry could be a star plus other big time recruits. Texas has wingo and Coleman plus other highly rated guys. Bama has Williams and that other kid who torched Oklahoma plus other big time croots. There are definitely teams out there with comparable wr talent that will need their QB and o line to put it altogether.

Not saying these rooms are definitively better but its certainly worthy of debate.
 
Stats02 said:
For the d-line, we lost Bain, Messidor and Blay. Bain and Messidor were insane. Not saying we can’t replace their production, but I don’t think anybody we have on the roster will be a wrecking ball like Bain was. Lightfoot appears to be that guy, but he’s not Bain at this point. I don’t know if the guy we brought in from Mizzou will be as good as Messidor.

Blay will be easy to replace. He was solid at times. I think Scott is just as good and will be a monster this year.

Again, I think our d-line is going to be excellent. And you make a great point, I haven’t done my research and that is one of the reasons I’m not claiming our d-line as #1 in the country. I don’t know enough about the DL’s for other schools to claim ours is the best.
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The problem here is comparing last year's d line to this year. That is not the statement. The 2025 d line was way better than every d line in the country. It wasn't close really. We get back 4 guys from that rotation all raising their level. Plus an elite transfer and adequate replacements for the support pieces we lost. The question is how big of a leap do the returners make and is Damon Wilson any where near a Bain or Mesidor level. If Wilson is a top 10 pick which is to say top 3 edge player and Scott moten and Blount reach their potential the d line certainly could be an elite group in CFB. We could see 3 or even 4 canes come off the board in the first round.
 
Stats02 said:
Well, for one, FSU has a better d-line for sure. Ok, I joke, I joke.

I can’t name 3 schools with a better D-line than Miami’s. I don’t keep up with the other school’s players like I do ours. I think our DL group is excellent. I’m just saying it’s a bit of a stretch to claim it as the country’s best.

Same with o-line. I think it’s really good. We lost 3 absolute units on the line. We return some good players and some unproven newcomers. Again, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to claim our OL as the best. Thats all I’m saying.
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notre dame is gonna have a top end dline esp with the transfers they brought in
Oline will be good as well

Otherwise
Texas tech once again has a good dline but like last year it’s all starters and not real depth bc that requires hs recruiting
But this oline is mid

On paper Oregon should have a top 5 ol/dl

Besides notre dame
Not a single team on our schedule
Come close , finally it’s not just a slogan that practice is harder than the games
 
TheOriginalCane said:
For the millionth time, I don't give two ***** about what Taint has "every year".

You are ignoring the fact that Hartline left. Or that they have a 1st year OC. Nope, Taint is going to have "at least two very good receivers"...I don't know...just because they have in the past.

And don't give me this bull**** about "recruiting well at that position". It's NOT "recruiting well" when your second-best returning WR is Brandon Inniss, and then your third/fourth best returning WRs had 6 receptions each. TRY NOT TO GENERALIZE BASED ON PAST EVENTS WHICH ARE NOW IRRELEVANT. Focus on who is on the roster NOW. Focus on who is in the WR room NOW. Not last year.

And stop with this bull**** "comparing apples to oranges". You want to cite stats for Devin McCuin and then act like he is "better" than a bunch of our WRs? Give me a ******* break. Yeah, I know you gave lip service to how UTSA is a **** program with **** competition compared to the ACC or the SEC (where Kyle Parker played). But you can't just cite context-less stats. You have to discount his stats by his **** school and **** competition. If you think that McCuin will have 65 receptions for 762 yards and 8 TDs at Ohio Taint against Big 10 competition, you need your head examined.

Yeah, here we go again with "eye test" and "patterns". Bull****. You didn't even know who McCuin was when I first mentioned him. You couldn't have cited anyone in the Taint WR room beyond JJ and "overrated" Brandon (your words, not mine) and Henry Jr (who hasn't even set foot on the field yet), but you sure as **** were proclaiming Taint to have a better WR room than Miami. And it wasn't based on "eye test". Maybe "patterns", which is just a deflective way of saying that you based your projections on THE PAST.

Look, if you want to dig your heels, I'm going to blast your terrible arguments. Sure, you downgraded Taint to #138, but it was just a couple of posts ago that you were declaring that Taint had the best WR room in the country "if I'm being honest".

So, you know, just be honest. Admit that crowning Taint was a hot-**** take with no basis in facts, statistics, or reality. Then we can move on.
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Saying Taint has the #1 receiving group in the country is not a hot take. It might be an incorrect take, but it's certainly not a hot take. They have the best WR in the country in Smith. He counts for part of that group. While Innis might not have lived up to expectations last year, he's still a good player that any team would covet. The rest of their returning group is unknown at this point, kind of like ours. On paper, they are a talented group. I'm sure OSU fans are saying the same thing about their returning group of talent that we are saying about ours (Moore and Upshaw). We shall see. Their transfer guys are meh. They landed the #1 WR recruit. We would be counting him as a positive for our group if we landed him, but since he plays for OSU, he doesn't count.

I was pulling up McCuin stats to show they don't necessarily mean everything. You told me to back up my opinion with facts and statistics. I was just saying that based on statistics, McCuin is better than any receiver we have not named Toney or Barkate. Do I actually believe that? Absolutely not. I'm actually agreeing with you on McCuin and their other transfer. I'm sure they will play some and have some good moments. I'm not sold on them yet. Likewise, I'm not sold on our transfers other than Barkate. I hope Vaughn and Jacobs can have the same impact that Marion and Daniels had for us last year.

I've also said before we have the best QB in the nation. That is going to propel our WR group.
 
That was a nice pick up for them today . Maybe he’s going to recruit like Mario does inside out . With that being said I hope he decommits 😂
 
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
I hate the gators but Eric singleton Dallas Wilson and vernell brown is pretty **** good. OSU has Smith Innis and Chris Henry could be a star plus other big time recruits. Texas has wingo and Coleman plus other highly rated guys. Bama has Williams and that other kid who torched Oklahoma plus other big time croots. There are definitely teams out there with comparable wr talent that will need their QB and o line to put it altogether.

Not saying these rooms are definitively better but its certainly worthy of debate.
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SIAP but aren’t we the only team with 2 returning 1K yard receivers, one of which caught those balls from our QB and the other who was an AA as a true freshman (should be HS senior)? Those aren’t projections but historical facts. You want to project? I’ll call you on Innis and Henry with a Jacobs and Wingo, and raise you a Moore, Vaughn and Upshaw.

I won’t argue someone can claim another team has a better wide receiver group. But I think the insider assessment of Spring practice backs up both last season’s facts and this season’s projections. Add Mensah to the mix and it’s the worst kept secret in college football. We are lighting up that scoreboard.

2026 will be 2024 offense + 2025 defense = 40+ ppg on offense and 20- ppg on defense.
 
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BALLHAWKU said:
That was a nice pick up for them today . Maybe he’s going to recruit like Mario does inside out . With that being said I hope he decommits 😂
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They need to make a splash in recruiting. Seems like they had the inside track for awhile and apportioned a massive amount of their NIL to this.

It’s been months and I still don’t see anything that indicates Sumrall is any different than his predecessors. Their team next year looks like a 5-7/7-5 team.
 
FL Cane said:
They need to make a splash in recruiting. Seems like they had the inside track for awhile and apportioned a massive amount of their NIL to this.

It’s been months and I still don’t see anything that indicates Sumrall is any different than his predecessors. Their team next year looks like a 5-7/7-5 team.
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Actually could recipe better so far . He’s going to need build the tenches on both sides of the ball every year . By his third year you should see it pay off . 4/5 every year on both sides of the ball . 2 need to be blue chips on both sides
 
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
I hate the gators but Eric singleton Dallas Wilson and vernell brown is pretty **** good. OSU has Smith Innis and Chris Henry could be a star plus other big time recruits. Texas has wingo and Coleman plus other highly rated guys. Bama has Williams and that other kid who torched Oklahoma plus other big time croots. There are definitely teams out there with comparable wr talent that will need their QB and o line to put it altogether.

Not saying these rooms are definitively better but its certainly worthy of debate.
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Look, Dallas Wilson may be great, but he had 12 catches last year. Let's wait JUST A MINUTE before crowning him.

Even moreso for Chris Henry. Come on, true freshman. Settle down.

Again, I don't care about "ratings". I know Wilson and Henry are talented, regardless of stars. The more relevant issues are production (Wilson hasn't had much) and transition-to-college (Henry may not be a first year star).

Let's all try to be realistic. First, you HEADLINE the Miami WR room with Baby Jesus and Barkate, the top 2 WRs in the ACC last year with 1,000 yards each. Then, simply from the Portal alone, you add Cam Vaughn, who had two good years at WVU, which is in a P4 conference, and Vandrevius Jacobs, who had a good year at South Carolina, which is in a little conference called the SEC. So two guys who produced good numbers against good competition. And all of that is before I offset all your other "names" with Miami counterparts, like Josh Moore (who had better stats last year than Dallas Wilson did) and Samourian Wingo (who was ranked a mere 40 spots below Henry Jr in the composite rankings).

I don't mind debating, but most of the arguments against my position are based on hype and projection, rather than actual production. No team in the country matches the ESTABLISHED production of Miami's top 4 guys (Baby Jesus and the 3 P4 transfers). Keelan Marion and CJ Daniels are proof positive that we can take quality transfer WRs and get them to 50 catches each. It's not that complicated.

Maybe let's all just back away from the freshman hype machine. I mean, what Baby Jesus did last year was amazing, but let's not expect that from every other freshman WR at every other school. Can we just respect the rare and unique nature of what Malachi did last year?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
I hate the gators but Eric singleton Dallas Wilson and vernell brown is pretty **** good. OSU has Smith Innis and Chris Henry could be a star plus other big time recruits. Texas has wingo and Coleman plus other highly rated guys. Bama has Williams and that other kid who torched Oklahoma plus other big time croots. There are definitely teams out there with comparable wr talent that will need their QB and o line to put it altogether.

Not saying these rooms are definitively better but its certainly worthy of debate.
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Look, Dallas Wilson may be great, but he had 12 catches last year. Let's wait JUST A MINUTE before crowning him.

Even moreso for Chris Henry. Come on, true freshman. Settle down.

Again, I don't care about "ratings". I know Wilson and Henry are talented, regardless of stars. The more relevant issues are production (Wilson hasn't had much) and transition-to-college (Henry may not be a first year star).

Let's all try to be realistic. First, you HEADLINE the Miami WR room with Baby Jesus and Barkate, the top 2 WRs in the ACC last year with 1,000 yards each. Then, simply from the Portal alone, you add Cam Vaughn, who had two good years at WVU, which is in a P4 conference, and Vandrevius Jacobs, who had a good year at South Carolina, which is in a little conference called the SEC. So two guys who produced good numbers against good competition. And all of that is before I offset all your other "names" with Miami counterparts, like Josh Moore (who had better stats last year than Dallas Wilson did) and Samourian Wingo (who was ranked a mere 40 spots below Henry Jr in the composite rankings).

I don't mind debating, but most of the arguments against my position are based on hype and projection, rather than actual production. No team in the country matches the ESTABLISHED production of Miami's top 4 guys (Baby Jesus and the 3 P4 transfers). Keelan Marion and CJ Daniels are proof positive that we can take quality transfer WRs and get them to 50 catches each. It's not that complicated.

Maybe let's all just back away from the freshman hype machine. I mean, what Baby Jesus did last year was amazing, but let's not expect that from every other freshman WR at every other school. Can we just respect the rare and unique nature of what Malachi did last year?
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Wilson ain’t catching passes from a jug machine in game. He still needs Philo to be able to get it to him
 
Philo LOL

Murda Mertz redux.

Where have we seen this plot line before?

Ball control G5 coach brings in game manager QB. At least Mertz had plenty of starts under his belt vs Philo, who’s only had mop up duty.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Philo LOL

Murda Mertz redux.

Where have we seen this plot line before?

Ball control G5 coach brings in game manager QB. At least Mertz had plenty of starts under his belt vs Philo, who’s only had mop up duty.
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Facts. UF does have talent on its roster. But it’s a Swiss cheese Golden or Diaz roster. They won’t hold up to a legit full 22 or 44 team.
 
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