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PennsylvaniaCane said:
Curious at what point programs cut back on roster size to mirror close to what the NFL carries. Those bottom 30 kids making 100k. That’s another 3 million that can be allocated to a game changer. If NFL teams can make it work with 55 players not sure why a college can’t.
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The only issue with this is that the NFL can add players, via signings/waivers, throughout the year to replace injuries. College can't
 
Congratulations Wisconsin on getting blackballed in recruiting south Florida.

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dycane said:
The law does not allow windfalls. He can’t walk away with free money. (I know nothing about his situation).
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A signing bonus isn’t a windfall if that is the payment structure.

Which, of course, continues to overlook the tweet from Darren Heitner that says Xavier Lucas has not yet been paid a dime on his new NIL deal.
 
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Calinative said:
Oh I'm not speaking about the Lucas situation at all. And regardless about all the nil and payment stuff, the school has no right not to put his name in the portal.. I'm just saying in general I think these contracts should start having them and there should be SOME negative consequence to this complete free for all.

The free Market and competition is cool and all but in professional sports leagues once you sign a contract you're tied to that team for the duration of the contract. Now I'm fine not having that be the case and allowing transfers, but there just should be some tax on that essentially. Of course those leagues have collectively bargained to agree to those rules. So obviously thats the path we are headed. I'm just saying I'd probably prefer to just have some damages in contracts than have the NCAA run everything again, cause I'm going to assume they will **** it up even worse.

I mean I think it should just shifted to like a 5 year clock that starts after you get put on a scholarship no matter what with the ONLY exception being a season ending injury (so no returning to play that season!) within 4 games in your final year... and maybe shifting back to allowing just 1 free transfer for non-graduates.
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I hear what you're saying, and I'm not trying to be too dismissive of your points, so let me see if I can explain a bit.

Your pro sports analogy is not wrong, per se, but that is a full "employment" situation under a collective bargaining agreement. Until a couple of years ago, the NCAA has fought a century-long war to keep college athletes from being deemed "employees", and even these NIL deals are an ATTEMPT to maintain that differential.

I think that where we get off-track is when we relate them back to PLAYING for a team. Because, correct me if I'm wrong, Xavier Lucas signed an NIL DEAL with the Wisconsin collective, and not a PLAYING ARRANGEMENT with the University of Wisconsin. And if someone signed a deal to endorse Pepsi, and then a couple of days later Coke offered double, and the person reneged on the Pepsi deal to sign with Coke, the courts are not going to enforce any real penalties (unless there are penalties called for in the contract). Because in the Pepsi-Coke situation, it's a no-harm/no-foul situation if there is a change of heart so quickly. "Playing football" is not the subject of the Pepsi-Coke agreement. "Staying at one school" is not the subject of the Pepsi-Coke agreement.

So while I empathize, I would also point out if this is a TRUE NIL AGREEMENT, then all of the issues surrounding "commitment" and "playing time" and "transferring" and whatnot are not relevant. Because Name Image and Likeness are NOT the same things as actually committing to a school and being on a roster. AT LEAST AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED.

That is all I'm saying. Sometimes the court system can't solve all the world's problems by awarding monetary damages.
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
So if a school refuses to submit the paperwork what is to stop a player from initiating the contact with another school aand then just transferring as any regular student would?
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Welllll...

"Being in the Portal" means you can TALK to other schools about scholarship offers. If a kid went dark on his old school and just showed up at a new school, that is TECHNICALLY possible.

However, I would point out that (a) the transfer application process for non-athletes takes more time, and (b) the actual expectation that someone is ready to cut a $40K check by January 22nd for tuition, housing, books, and fees....well, those are some tall orders.

If Wisconsin can REFUSE to process Xavier Lucas's Portal paperwork, how do we know they won't also "delay" the release of his transcripts? Which, of course, would make it nearly impossible for him to transfer anywhere, either as a student-athlete or non-athlete.
 
tsimonitis said:
The only issue with this is that the NFL can add players, via signings/waivers, throughout the year to replace injuries. College can't
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How many of our bottom 30 players saw snaps due to injuries over the last 10 years? Do we need 15 OL when the top 7-8 will be the only ones to see the field? Do we need 8-9 receivers when only the top 5 ever touch the ball or even come close to getting snaps.
 
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PennsylvaniaCane said:
Curious at what point programs cut back on roster size to mirror close to what the NFL carries. Those bottom 30 kids making 100k. That’s another 3 million that can be allocated to a game changer. If NFL teams can make it work with 55 players not sure why a college can’t.
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Because the NFL has contracts that tie the player to the team 4 years upon being drafted and however many years they agree to after. There is no maximum time they are allowed to participate. Also they are allowed to add players during the season when players get injured.

Also NFL teams have 53 active roster, usually have some not small number on IR, and a 16 man practice squad. And during camp they are at 90 before they make their final cuts anyways.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Welllll...

"Being in the Portal" means you can TALK to other schools about scholarship offers. If a kid went dark on his old school and just showed up at a new school, that is TECHNICALLY possible.

However, I would point out that (a) the transfer application process for non-athletes takes more time, and (b) the actual expectation that someone is ready to cut a $40K check by January 22nd for tuition, housing, books, and fees....well, those are some tall orders.

If Wisconsin can REFUSE to process Xavier Lucas's Portal paperwork, how do we know they won't also "delay" the release of his transcripts? Which, of course, would make it nearly impossible for him to transfer anywhere, either as a student-athlete or non-athlete.
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You would think our our admissions department would accept unofficial transcripts (e.g., a printout of grades from a student portal.) under these extenuating circumstance. If that were the case, any reason Lucas couldn't just show up to Miami's campus and flip Wisky the bird?
 
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PennsylvaniaCane said:
How many of our bottom 30 players saw snaps due to injuries over the last 10 years? Do we need 15 OL when the top 7-8 will be the only ones to see the field? Do we need 8-9 receivers when only the top 5 ever touch the ball or even come close to getting snaps.
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You need bodies for practice (and hopefully they develop).
 
grover said:
You would think our our admissions department would accept unofficial transcripts (e.g., a printout of grades from a student portal.) under these extenuating circumstance. If that were the case, any reason Lucas couldn't just show up to Miami's campus and flip Wisky the bird?
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He could show up. He might even be allowed to register if he has a check for $40K. That second part might be tough.
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
How many of our bottom 30 players saw snaps due to injuries over the last 10 years? Do we need 15 OL when the top 7-8 will be the only ones to see the field? Do we need 8-9 receivers when only the top 5 ever touch the ball or even come close to getting snaps.
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OU lost its top five wide receivers to injury by early Octover
 
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pacusmc said:
Doesn’t it concern anyone that they’re being so chill about it?
Wisky trying to bluff?
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University is playing with fire for a football coach with an axe to grind. Maybe they've calculated the risk and think the exposure is acceptable; but I can't see how. Letter should be written to AD, President and University Attorneys demanding they follow NCAA rules and regulations.

I'm no attorney, but i'm certain University lawyers don't want any employees explaining why they chose not to process his documentation in a timely fashion. I'm also not sure a coach should be able to interfere with the process either, as it triggers serious questions about the integrity of Wisconsin's compliance department.

This could turn into something else if Wisconsin isn't careful.
 
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