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Xavier Lucas in the portal

I have a general question that doesn't necessarily apply to this situation...

If a player notifies a school they wish to enter the portal, is it incumbent on the school to assist them in doing so correctly. By that I mean, provide the proper paperwork and ensure that the paperwork is completely correctly and timely. Can they deny enter becasue of a player error or are they obligated to correct said error?
 
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Problem2 said:
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hurricaneman said:
Dude, I don't understand how they don't understand this entire thing implies their collective is colluding with the university. None of them seem to comprehend this.

And they think it's good for the school to go to trial over a player wanting to enter the portal? They think that's going to help them?

What are they smoking up there?
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The schools are allowed to work with the collectives now so I don't think this would be an issue. It seems like there are likely other ones, but I don't think that would be one.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
If they had absolutely nothing, it wouldn't make sense for Wisky to continue fighting this out. They'd just be burning attorneys' fees/costs in exchange for more bad press and an ultimate L.

We'll see if Wisky blinks now that Heitner is on board and escalating the issue with the NCAA (and threatening litigation). If Wisky stays on its current course, I'd suspect they have an argument (not necessarily a meritorious one) they believe to be supported by some evidence.
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I really don’t believe there can be a super secret angle on Wisconsins side. Whatever NIL issues they may have, it’s completely separate from the university. They HAVE to file the paperwork. IF there is language in the NIL they’re trying to leverage him not being able to leave, they’re in for a world of hurt imo.
 
lindend said:
We're all speculating from the outside w/o facts (but that's never been a block on CIS anyways), but let's assume Wisconsin has evidence that someone tried to lure him in the portal, how can that possibly be used to prevent him from entering the portal? Isn't his right to enter absolute?

Wouldn't their case(s) be against the parties that allegedly tried to lure him in and not the player?

Again, not a lawyer, but I'm thinking they're running a risk of him suing them for potential damages and lost income because the market isn't as robust as when he wanted to enter.
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Yes if they’re hung up on possible tampering, that’s between the ncaa and said university to investigate. I don’t see any way Wisconsin is NOT obligated to file his request.
 
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mirvin88 said:
I really don’t believe there can be a super secret angle on Wisconsins side. Whatever NIL issues they may have, it’s completely separate from the university. They HAVE to file the paperwork. IF there is language in the NIL they’re trying to leverage him not being able to leave, they’re in for a world of hurt imo.
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That is also possible. And to be clear, I never said Wisky had a valid argument, only that the university was acting like it has some argument supported by evidence.

I won't pretend to know all of the ins and outs of transfer portal law. But, if you are correct it means either Wisconsin is wrong about their interpretation of the rules and the impact of whatever evidence they may have, or Wisky knows they are wrong but are pushing forward illogically. Of the two, I think the former is much more likely.
 
wnycanesfan said:
I guess he could but UW would likely just hold up sending his transcripts which would make transferring to a new school hard. However, Lucas has submitted his paperwork to enter the portal back on 12/19. UW per NCAA rules had 48 hours to process it and enter him in the portal but refused. They do not have a leg to stand on as they cannot just ignore the NCAA rule and not enter him regardless if their collective claims he breached their NIL deal. Lucas and his family have been much nicer than I would have been about it and given UW plenty of time to follow the rules and do the right thing.
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It could simply be Wisconsin deciding to be the one to break the NCAA, finally. Sure, there is a rule. But by what means can the NCAA actually enforce it?
 
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GojiraCane said:
Getting to litigation might be the point. Make Lucas spend as much on legal fees to get out as any additional NIL that he would have received.
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Also possible, but in my experience most public universities don't take that road. They'd also arguably be increasing his damages by further delaying his portal entry. And if there is some legal/statutory hook for prevailing party attorneys' fees, Wisky may be paying those fees themselves at the end of all this.
 
lindend said:
Do we know if the right to enter the portal is an absolute or are there scenarios where the school can deny entry? My understanding was it was an absolute right, but if they're behaving in this fashion, could we be mistaken?
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We are not mistaken.

People are acting as if the Portal is some magical and mysterious place, with all kinds of secret rules and procedures.

It is not.

All the Portal is...is a database. It's a list that sanctions direct communication with a player on the list (who was previously not allowed to be directly contacted) and interested schools.

All you need to do is fill out a shockingly brief form that includes your name and social and address and phone number.

And to be quite honest, there is not even a good administrative or ethical reason why a school needs to "process" the Portal application or "take 48 hours" to do so. Clearly, the unstated intention is to give the school notice and perhaps some time to converse with the player prior to the player leaving, but in multiple YEARS of this process, there has never even been ONE case where a school has "properly denied" a player seeking to enter the Portal. Not once.

So instead of living in this shadow world of "could we be mistaken", let's take a moment to note that Wisconsin itself has NOT CITED a single reason or grounds for denying Portal entry for Xavier Lucas. There are rumors and threads, but Wisconsin has never publicly stated a reason for why it is doing what it is doing. So, no, there are no secret scenarios here. There are certainly threats. There are people using the word "tampering" improperly and vaguely.

But there is no rationale that gives rise to Wisconsin "being in the right" for doing what they have done.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
There's speculation and then there's deductive reasoning. I'm simply pointing out that for Wisky to continue run the risk you've noted above, the university must believe it has a meritorious argument supported by evidence.

I won't speculate as to what that argument might be, much less how persuasive the NCAA or a court would find the argument.
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Heinter had previously said that schools are now entering into nil/payment world (not necessarily regarding this situation) and that he doesn’t think they’d be enforceable at this point. This was all around the time when Lucas made his twatter porst about Wiscy not putting him in the portal.

I’m wondering if they did that and are saying F it, we’ll burn it down fighting it. After all it’s coming in terms of the rev sharing. If their collective is poor and you think the guy will stick around, why not start dipping into the rev share early? You’re paying him for the 25 season anyway. Not saying it’s legal to do yet (in terms of ncaa) or condoning, just trying to see why they’d be fighting what looks to be a losing battle.
 
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