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Xavier Lucas in the portal

TheOriginalCane said:
The word "discrimination" has multiple meanings. Wisconsin is DISCRIMINATING against Xavier Lucas by treating him differently than everyone else. That is discrimination. Nobody said anything about protected class or anything like that, so settle down.

Xavier Lucas is being discriminated against. Without Wisconsin publicly disclosing the basis for their inaction, nobody knows the real reason.
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you are absolutely correct; but am I correct in belief it needs to be based on protected class to break the law?

More to the point, a "discrimination alarm" typically is used effectively "to stir the bad PR pot" when the alleged discriminatory treatment has the element of a protected class. Just saying they are treating him differently/unfairly isn't likely to make Wisconsin leadership uncomfortable. Matter a fact, this is all over twitter and Wisconsin seems indignant.

Nobody said anything about protected class but that would be required to get the desired leverage from public outcry in this situation.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Just a bunch of empty phrases, though.

"They can't". And yet they are.

"He MAY have to wait until the second window". Why, exactly? New names will be popping up in the Portal for weeks. His name could be next. There is no reason he should have to wait for the second window.

"Due process should result in the processing of his paperwork". Good lord, a phrase that people love to use and have no idea what it means. What is the "due process" here? Thus far, there is none. The NCAA rule could not be simpler and more clear, and yet Wisconsin won't comply.

Either the NCAA puts Xavier Lucas in the Portal on its own (and sanctions Wisconsin) or a court injunction will be required.
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You seem somewhat irritated in your responses to me but I'm going to answer your questions and won't respond to that...

  • ""They can't". And yet they are." - actually they're not.

The original post asked about Wisconsin "holding him for all four years out of spite?" It wasn't about whether they could delay the inevitable, which is what they're doing. It hasn't been four years and I see no scenario where that could happen.


  • "He MAY have to wait until the second window". Why, exactly? - simple; I don't know all the details behind the delay.

Irrespective of what happens between now and the second window he has another opportunity to make sure he submits the proper paperwork in a timely fashion. The word "may" expresses a possibility and, without knowing all the facts of this matter, I feel more comfortable considering all possibilities.


  • "Due process should result in the processing of his paperwork". Good lord, a phrase that people love to use and have no idea what it means. What is the "due process" here? - I would imagine due process involves the NCAA officially reviewing the matter and making a decision about the processing of his paperwork being appropriate or not; student athletes should have a mechanism for complaints to be filed as grievances. If the NCAA decision is unsatisfactory then, as you stated, he could get the courts involved.

(1) If the school didn't violate the 48hr rule (due to some technicality you and I are unaware of) then he'll have to wait until the second window to apply again. (2) If they didn't follow the 48hr rule then I imagine the NCAA will process his entry sooner.
 
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Bunker Mentality said:
you are absolutely correct; but am I correct in belief it needs to be based on protected class to break the law?

More to the point, a "discrimination alarm" typically is used effectively "to stir the bad PR pot" when the alleged discriminatory treatment has the element of a protected class. Just saying they are treating him differently/unfairly isn't likely to make Wisconsin leadership uncomfortable. Matter a fact, this is all over twitter and Wisconsin seems indignant.

Nobody said anything about protected class but that would be required to get the desired leverage from public outcry in this situation.
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What I'm saying is that the original poster was not making a specific legal argument for a specific type of discrimination lawsuit.

He was just saying XL is being discriminated against, which is true. He was singled out.

And I was just saying that it's impossible to rule out your more precise "legal discrimination" lawsuit explanation, because we don't even know the REASON he was singled out. That's all.

This should be resolved by Monday/Tuesday.
 
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Bunker Mentality said:
You seem somewhat irritated in your responses to me but I'm going to answer your questions and won't respond to that...

  • ""They can't". And yet they are." - actually they're not.

The original post asked about Wisconsin "holding him for all four years out of spite?" It wasn't about whether they could delay the inevitable, which is what they're doing. It hasn't been four years and I see no scenario where that could happen.


  • "He MAY have to wait until the second window". Why, exactly? - simple; I don't know all the details behind the delay.

Irrespective of what happens between now and the second window he has another opportunity to make sure he submits the proper paperwork in a timely fashion. The word "may" expresses a possibility and, without knowing all the facts of this matter, I feel more comfortable considering all possibilities.


  • "Due process should result in the processing of his paperwork". Good lord, a phrase that people love to use and have no idea what it means. What is the "due process" here? - I would imagine due process involves the NCAA officially reviewing the matter and making a decision about the processing of his paperwork being appropriate or not; student athletes should have a mechanism for complaints to be filed as grievances. If the NCAA decision is unsatisfactory then, as you stated, he could get the courts involved.

(1) If the school didn't violate the 48hr rule (due to some technicality you and I are unaware of) then he'll have to wait until the second window to apply again. (2) If they didn't follow the 48hr rule then I imagine the NCAA will process his entry sooner.
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It's not an irritation with you, as much as an exhaustion (at this point) of anyone trying to posit anything POSSIBLY VALID about what Wisconsin is doing.

1. You're wrong. Wisconsin is, and has been, refusing to process the paperwork. You can say "They can't", but they have absolutely been doing it. FOR WEEKS. The first step in getting to "four years" is by refusing to do something for four minutes, then four hours, then four days, then four weeks. If nobody fights it, then it will turn into four years.

2. He has already submitted the proper paperwork. He does not need to do so a second time. Your use of the word "may" doesn't fix your misunderstanding of the situation. He has done nothing wrong, he does not need to resubmit, he does not need to wait. He only needs his name to appear in the magical Portal website, and all will be good, and with dozens of other players entering the Portal soon, then he has not yet been "precluded" and does not have to wait until the second window.

3. You are just inventing hypotheticals that don't exist, so you can fight stupid arguments that are unnecessary. You cite a mythical "technicality you and I are unaware of" as some sort of McGuffin, but it's bull****. There is no technicality here. He didn't use a red ink pen when he should have used black or blue. That's not how this works. The Portal paperwork is shocking in its brevity and simplicity. Name, social, address, phone number, and you check the box for "No Contact" if you don't want every school to contact you. It's just that simple. I've actually seen what names look like in the Portal, there are no secret "technicalities".

Stop this nonsense.

It will all be resolved by Monday/Tuesday.
 
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