Xavier Lucas in the portal

[CreamCityCane]

Nearly all of this matches what I expected.

A couple of minor points of disagreement.

First, I am not so sure Xavier Lucas needs Miami money or agent money to repay Wisconsin. As I have said all along, IS THERE A REPAYMENT SCHEDULE? If not, then no money needs to be repaid, no matter how butthurt anyone in Wisconsin is.

Second, where is the tampering? Xavier is from South Florida, Miami recruited him, he knows plenty of former coaches and former teammates with whom he can have LEGITIMATE back-channel conversations. Wisconsin has lost, what, 20 players to the Portal and multiple guys have made veiled comments about Fickell. Why does ANY Wisconsin fan think that it would be necessary to "tamper" with Xavier Lucas in order to "induce" him to leave Wisconsin?

Finally, I don't think that any school can do "conditional" releases anymore. I don't even think you need a release. I don't care about the 39 "other offers", he is from South Florida and it's pretty clear where he wants to go.

In addition to not understanding NIL, I also think that most Wisconsin fans don't understand contracts, NCAA rules, and logic.

Well you aren't disagreeing with me. I think what the message board geniuses would say to you is this... they assume that Wisconsin has something that hasn't been made public that would support their position. They let 20 other players into the portal, why are they making a stink about this particular one?

Its not a crazy assumption. Maybe they wrote a bad contract, maybe they wrote a legally enforceable one. I haven't seen any credible information on what is actually in the contract.

 

[Reyrey]

No matter what people THINK of Heitner, he is an attorney, and he does understand NIL deals.

So....in addition to my multiple requests to "produce the repayment schedule", it now appears that there WAS NO PAYMENT to repay even if a repayment schedule could be produced...

...and even worse, Wisconsin wants "liquidated damages" when (and I'm purely guessing here) the NIL deal does not call for "liquidated damages".

Hilarious.

Is there only one attorney within the borders of Wisconsin? Because these moron cheeseheads are spouting all kinds of legal theories ("liquidated damages", "third party beneficiary", "tortious interference with a contractual relationship") about which they apparently KNOW NOTHING.

Doesn’t take a law degree to realize how stupid Wisconsin is handling the matter

 

[90scane]

Did they really have an NIL to pay him $500k/yr? If so, ncaa kids are making more per talent level than nfl players.

 

[BeastMode]

Did they really have an NIL to pay him $500k/yr? If so, ncaa kids are making more per talent level than nfl players.

I’ve heard back up lineman are making a few hundred thousand so yes all seem to be making at least what the nfl pays their practice squad players which is insane.

Especially when you realize it’s not the schools paying for the players or the ncaa who profits….its the FANS!!!!!!!

 

[AllAboutTheU]

I’ve heard back up lineman are making a few hundred thousand so yes all seem to be making at least what the nfl pays their practice squad players which is insane.

Especially when you realize it’s not the schools paying for the players or the ncaa who profits….its the FANS!!!!!!!

It’s largely boosters. But yea, zero chance as a fan will I pay these kids when it’s a multibillion dollar industry

 

[90scane]

What kid in their right mind would leave early without knowing they are a day 1 pick with many NFL years ahead of them?!

If I'm kids like Jalen Rivers, George (if 2021 was a RS year), Martinez, Mesidor... I'd ask for a big NIL with insurance policy.

 

[BeastMode]

It’s largely boosters. But yea, zero chance as a fan will I pay these kids when it’s a multibillion dollar industry

Boosters are rich fans. Fans are paying the players it’s so assbackwards.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

Boosters are rich fans. Fans are paying the players it’s so assbackwards.

Yea, but if rich fans wanna pay because of the access they get to the programming and it’s decision making, then that’s on them. That was going on before NIL. People spending their $20 a month to these collectives is asinine to me. As many are already buying season tickets, traveling to games, etc.

 

[The U is back to work]

I’ve heard back up lineman are making a few hundred thousand so yes all seem to be making at least what the nfl pays their practice squad players which is insane.

Especially when you realize it’s not the schools paying for the players or the ncaa who profits….its the FANS!!!!!!!

We have Samson who I assume has been making 500-750k a year for two years and had essentially 0 snaps

 

[philkris]

And none of this matters....The University of Wisconsin is obligated and REQUIRED to submit the transfer paperwork into the portal within 48 hours. The NIL collective is a completely different matter between 2 parties NOT named The University of Wisconsin. UW cannot win this PR nightmare, and XL will never play for them again. Bold strategy.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

I’ve heard back up lineman are making a few hundred thousand so yes all seem to be making at least what the nfl pays their practice squad players which is insane.

Especially when you realize it’s not the schools paying for the players or the ncaa who profits….its the FANS!!!!!!!

Really wild when you consider an NFL roster is 55 and CFB is now 100+. Lots of money being spent on guys who will never see the field. Wonder at what point does a team create a structure where that extra money that gets spent on players 60-100 just gets pooled for bigger can’t miss prospects. And factor in now, very few freshmen if they don’t see the field that first or second year probably won’t.

 

[dycane]

Boosters are rich fans. Fans are paying the players it’s so assbackwards.

There’s an emerging model where corps that have business relationships with the school are agreeing to allocate money to NIL in exchange for decreased or increased (as the case may be) contract amounts. So, in essence, the school is paying. There is a school in Florida that is working on this right now to the tune of tens of millions with just one vendor.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

would lucas have a good case to win damages against the university were he to sue?

What damages?

The only POSSIBLE monetary damages he could allege are the DIFFERENCE between his Wisconsin deal and the "35-40 offers" he has received from other schools.

In reality, he just wants his Portal paperwork processed by Wisconsin.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

He said this wasn’t Wisconsin for what it’s worth.

Who said "it's not Wisconsin"?

The University of Wisconsin is absolutely the party that has not processed the Portal paperwork for Xavier Lucas.

Maybe the "concerns" of other parties are driving that, but the primary obstructing party is The Univesity of Wisconsin.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Well you aren't disagreeing with me. I think what the message board geniuses would say to you is this... they assume that Wisconsin has something that hasn't been made public that would support their position. They let 20 other players into the portal, why are they making a stink about this particular one?

Its not a crazy assumption. Maybe they wrote a bad contract, maybe they wrote a legally enforceable one. I haven't seen any credible information on what is actually in the contract.

I'm going to address that very simply.

Wisconsin Message Board Geniuses can't merely "assume" that there is magical information out there that would "support their position". As it relates to the "20 other players", perhaps it is because none of them signed new deals with the Wisconsin collective shortly before deciding to transfer. Oh, wow, an Occam's Razor explanation.

So, yes, it IS a crazy assumption. Again, an NIL deal would be with THE COLLECTIVE. The Portal paperwork, however, is filed with THE UNIVERSITY. The University of Wisconsin has no grounds on which to block the processing of that paperwork, particularly for a SEPARATE PARTY'S contractual gripes.

It's bull****. It's "hoping and assuming that something you can't explain or articulate will suddenly present you with the deus ex machina to justify all of your butthurt feelings".

And that's not directed at you, but at Wisconsin Message Board Geniuses.

 

[JayCane20]

Who said "it's not Wisconsin"?

The University of Wisconsin is absolutely the party that has not processed the Portal paperwork for Xavier Lucas.

Maybe the "concerns" of other parties are driving that, but the primary obstructing party is The Univesity of Wisconsin.

That is true. Just saying that specific tweet was not Wisconsin related apparently.

 

[ZeroBeachCane3]

Who said "it's not Wisconsin"?

The University of Wisconsin is absolutely the party that has not processed the Portal paperwork for Xavier Lucas.

Maybe the "concerns" of other parties are driving that, but the primary obstructing party is The Univesity of Wisconsin.

I think he’s saying the specific tweet made by Heitner isn’t referring to Wisconsin

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think he’s saying the specific tweet made by Heitner isn’t referring to Wisconsin

I was talking about DIFFERENT Darren Heitner tweets, like the one where he says he has seen Xavier Lucas's NIL deal, and Wisconsin doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Bender]

No matter what people THINK of Heitner, he is an attorney, and he does understand NIL deals.

So....in addition to my multiple requests to "produce the repayment schedule", it now appears that there WAS NO PAYMENT to repay even if a repayment schedule could be produced...

...and even worse, Wisconsin wants "liquidated damages" when (and I'm purely guessing here) the NIL deal does not call for "liquidated damages".

Hilarious.

Is there only one attorney within the borders of Wisconsin? Because these moron cheeseheads are spouting all kinds of legal theories ("liquidated damages", "third party beneficiary", "tortious interference with a contractual relationship") about which they apparently KNOW NOTHING.

I kinda had a feeling that this must be it. NIL deals usually don't pay up front... they pay based on certain milestones that one achieves, which is why the total amount that is being reported is always stupid and shouldn't be taken at any value.

Regardless of what Wisconsin wants it to be, they can't hold a player hostage for a NIL deal. It simply does not work. I am stunned that they don't have a legal team being aware of this very basic fact.

 

[Cane44]

I think its time to sound the discrimination alarm. How many other players over two years did they file paper work for in 48hours?!?! At least to spin more bad pr.