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Why stars DON'T matter

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the thing that truly matters is a coaches ability to properly evaluate talent. Butch Davis and Jimmy johnson were clearly two great examples of this. When a co0ach develops a reputation for winning he has good/great players. The recruiting services or wtf you wanna call them know this and they somewhat piggy back certain players for this reason. In other cases its pretty easy to see if one guy is better than the other simply based on physical attributes.

I'd take a coach with superior evaluation skills over a star chaser like Coker was any day. Never recruit a player based sole on star ranking. Attitude, football IQ, ability to pick up concepts, read defenses etch also play a factor over a guy who simply dominates because everyone else around him sucks.
 

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PAR said:
the thing that truly matters is a coaches ability to properly evaluate talent. Butch Davis and Jimmy johnson were clearly two great examples of this. When a co0ach develops a reputation for winning he has good/great players. The recruiting services or wtf you wanna call them know this and they somewhat piggy back certain players for this reason. In other cases its pretty easy to see if one guy is better than the other simply based on physical attributes.

I'd take a coach with superior evaluation skills over a star chaser like Coker was any day. Never recruit a player based sole on star ranking. Attitude, football IQ, ability to pick up concepts, read defenses etch also play a factor over a guy who simply dominates because everyone else around him sucks.
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All true.

So much has changed in recruiting since the days of Butch and Coker, but not the gift of evaluation.

A coach that can truly spot talent, or better yet, identify the type of talent that will flourish in their system, has a leg up on everyone.
 
Stars might matter in Bama or Ohio or Louisiana or Texas or Cali.

But they have NEVER mattered in the state of Florida. They have never mattered to Miami. And they never will. You don't need to recruit like a gaggle of star whores here. You can build an NFL roster with kids ranked outside the top 247 here. Our entire championship caliber starting defense outside of a few like chad Thomas consisted of low 4 and 3 star sleepers.
 
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PAR said:
the thing that truly matters is a coaches ability to properly evaluate talent. Butch Davis and Jimmy johnson were clearly two great examples of this. When a co0ach develops a reputation for winning he has good/great players. The recruiting services or wtf you wanna call them know this and they somewhat piggy back certain players for this reason. In other cases its pretty easy to see if one guy is better than the other simply based on physical attributes.

I'd take a coach with superior evaluation skills over a star chaser like Coker was any day. Never recruit a player based sole on star ranking. Attitude, football IQ, ability to pick up concepts, read defenses etch also play a factor over a guy who simply dominates because everyone else around him sucks.
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All true.

So much has changed in recruiting since the days of Butch and Coker, but not the gift of evaluation.

A coach that can truly spot talent, or better yet, identify the type of talent that will flourish in their system, has a leg up on everyone.
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This all day long.

One of the few teams that would be an outlier would have been Boise State. Granted they didn't play in a tough conference, but they were coached up against better teams riddled with 4 and 5 star talent.
 
Add Wisconsin v Miami, and no matter who wins, add UCF v Auburn to the list of examples why stars don't matter.
 
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Stars don't matter when Monroe plays WR and George plays DL.

Roster management matters! Sign some freaking DL even if they are 3*.
 
Thread Killa said:
Add Wisconsin v Miami, and no matter who wins, add UCF v Auburn to the list of examples why stars don't matter.
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Did you go to school? High school? Have you ever heard of anecdotal evidence? You can't use singular examples to prove your point if you want to convince anyone. It's why in the medical field they run studies. If a certain thing they're looking for isn't 95% certain (which is often based on the sample size), it is concluded as not true.

Here's an example: Doctors recruit 1000 patients with cancer in which only 1/500 lives to try a new treatment. Half of them are fed only chocolate chip cookies, and the other half given nothing. 2 of those that eat the cookies beat the cancer. Everyone else dies. Dr Thread Killa proclaims "holy **** chocolate chip cookies are the key!" Do you see why that's dumb?

You can't prove anything just because UCF got lucky and a bunch of their players outplayed their ranking/have good coaches. Why are MOST of the teams in the top 10 filled with highly ranked players? Why has every championship team in the past 10+ years been filled with at least 50% blue chip players? You're finding whatever fits your agenda and claiming that it's absolute proof. You're deluding yourself.
 
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jhtheking said:
Thread Killa said:
Add Wisconsin v Miami, and no matter who wins, add UCF v Auburn to the list of examples why stars don't matter.
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Did you go to school? High school? Have you ever heard of anecdotal evidence? You can't use singular examples to prove your point if you want to convince anyone. It's why in the medical field they run studies. If a certain thing they're looking for isn't 95% certain (which is often based on the sample size), it is concluded as not true.

Here's an example: Doctors recruit 1000 patients with cancer in which only 1/500 lives to try a new treatment. Half of them are fed only chocolate chip cookies, and the other half given nothing. 2 of those that eat the cookies beat the cancer. Everyone else dies. Dr Thread Killa proclaims "holy **** chocolate chip cookies are the key!" Do you see why that's dumb?

You can't prove anything just because UCF got lucky and a bunch of their players outplayed their ranking/have good coaches. Why are MOST of the teams in the top 10 filled with highly ranked players? Why has every championship team in the past 10+ years been filled with at least 50% blue chip players? You're finding whatever fits your agenda and claiming that it's absolute proof. You're deluding yourself.
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He doesn't, save your breath.
 
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PAR said:
the thing that truly matters is a coaches ability to properly evaluate talent. Butch Davis and Jimmy johnson were clearly two great examples of this. When a co0ach develops a reputation for winning he has good/great players. The recruiting services or wtf you wanna call them know this and they somewhat piggy back certain players for this reason. In other cases its pretty easy to see if one guy is better than the other simply based on physical attributes.

I'd take a coach with superior evaluation skills over a star chaser like Coker was any day. Never recruit a player based sole on star ranking. Attitude, football IQ, ability to pick up concepts, read defenses etch also play a factor over a guy who simply dominates because everyone else around him sucks.
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This. JJ and abutch were the two best talent evaluators of their generation. The two. Those two. Top two. Above everyone else.
Proven in college and the NFL.

People have for ages failed to understand that about this program. It eroded under Dennis, who was a real coach but not an evaluator, and eroded faster under Coker, who was a buffoon.

Evaluating kids is the whole enchilada when your core amd perhaps sole advantage is the local talent pool.
 
Superior coaching helps you overachieve when you don't have stars.
You start winning.
Makes recruiting easier.
More stars start coming.
You bust through the threshold, take that next step and create a powerhouse.


You definitely need both in this day and age.
No matter how good your coaching is, you'll only get so far with a team full of 3-star kids. (and vice versa)
 
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