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Coaching has a lot to do with star power!! IF the coaching staff a team has in place is ****, then it doesn't matter how much studs you have BUT IF a good staff is in place with the star power, then that team will dominate.. I'm not one to make a big deal about star power BUT it is nice to see the 4 and 5 star recruits to show Miami interest and pick THE U.. Now for me, their are always recruits that go overlooked and under valued and IF the staff have a few recruits like that I'm good with it.. BUT it is very difficult to build a powerhouse in CFB today, without the super studs coming out of HS!!
 
When it comes to a 3 star recruit this is how I view them, they are worth a fight no doubt BUT if they have all the offers from the big schools then we definitely need to fight for them and recruit them, BUT the 3 star recruits The Bum Golden was recruiting was not the type of 3 star recruits Miami needs to be in battles over.. Miami have signed some 3 star recruits the last few classes that could've easily been a 4 star recruit BUT because they picked Miami over other programs "they got punished by the voters"!!
 
Teams like Va Tech, TCU, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. with a bunch of 3 stars with great coaching/scheme can compete year after year. Doesn't mean they can't beat the Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State of the world. But in the long run, teams with elite talents, 4-5 star players, will always win out! It's that simple!
 
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Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia always have top 5 classes And they are always in the running for the playoffs. Yes it's true not all 4 and 5* are elite players but more likely than not they are these stars give you the best guess on what type of player they will be. So statistically the more 4 and 5* guys you have the better chance you have to reach the playoffs.

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I'm glad to see the obvious aggressively being defended. Star rankings are to a large extent based on the consensus of coaching staffs as to talent. Of course stars matter. You only have to look at our starting 22 this year and in previous years to support this premise. Sure, you can always point to the Lance Leggetts, Aldarius Johnson, Willie Williams of the world who didn't work out but as a rule you want a minimum three star rating.
 
I think that the OP is on to something.

Stars do matter, until the blue-chippers in question go to play for Larry Coker, Randy Shannon, and Al Golden.
 
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Stars clearly matter, both in terms of winning in college and the probability of success in the NFL. Of course there are statistical outliers and coaching makes a difference, but it's plain silly to deny the strong correlation between stars and results.

The NFL draft proves that recruiting rankings matter. | Sports on Earth

Five years of NFL draft data show that a higher recruiting star rating is associated with:

1, A better chance of getting drafted in the first place
2. Getting picked earlier in the draft
3. A greater chance that a drafted player will appear in an NFL game
4. Greater production once a player reaches the NFL.

This article about college recruiting rankings is from 2014, but still relevant


https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/2/5/5382140/recruiting-matters-why-the-sites-get-the-rankings-right

"Five star" recruiting schools from 2003-2014: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas.

During that period, the eleven teams in the "five-star" group have combined for 21 appearances in the BCS Championship game, compared to one appearance by any of the next 64 teams. (The lone exception in that span, Oregon, just barely missed the cut for "five-star" status.)

The higher-ranked group of teams according to the recruiting rankings won roughly two-thirds of the time, and every group as a whole had a winning record against every lower ranked group every single year.
 
OP has only proven there are exceptions. There are always exceptions. There are always outliers.

What isn’t mentioned is coaching. You need consistently rated high classes, year in and year out, combined with good coaching.
 
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Thread Killa said:
2005 Miami Hurricanes

9th overall recruiting class, finished 9-3 and getting blown out by LSU in the Peach Bowl.

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2006 Canes

12th overall recruiting class, finished 7-6 and a win over Nevada in the Computer Bowl.

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2007 Canes

13th overall class, finished 5-7.

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2008 Canes

1st overall class, finished 7-6 and lost to Cal in the Emerald Bowl.

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2009 Canes

16th overall class, finished 9-4 and lost to Wisconsin in the Champs Sports Bowl.

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2010 Canes

14th overall class, finished 7-6 and lost to Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl.

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2011 Canes

33rd overall class, finished 6-6.

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2012 Canes

10th overall class, finished 7-5.

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2013 Canes

14th overall class, finished 9-4 and lost to Louisville in the Russell Athletic Bowl.

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2014 Canes

12th overall class, finished 6-7 and lost to South Carolina in the Independence Bowl.

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2015 Canes

27th overall class, finished 8-5 and lost to Wash St. in the Sun Bowl.

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2016 Canes (year 1 of the Richt era)

22nd overall class, finished 9-4 and beat West Virginia in the Russell Athletic Bowl.

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2017 Canes

12th overall class, currently 10-2 and playing Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl.


Other examples:

2006 ACC champ Wake Forest, 66th overall class in 2006, 65th overall class in 2005, 102nd overall class in 2004.

Any GaTech that played in the ACC CG, any UNC team to play in the ACC CG, any Duke team to play in the ACC CG.

This season: Troy beat LSU, Howard beat UNLV, Pitt beat Miami.

Previous seasons: Appalachian St. beat Michigan, Georgia Southern beat UF, Boise beat Oklahoma, Utah beat Alabama.


If stars mattered, these upsets don't happen and schools like Wake, Duke, UNC, and GaTech don't play in the ACC CG or win the ACC.
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Lol dude do you have a 2nd grade comprehension level?

There is something called variables.
 
Program must have 4-5 star everything to consistently play fora National Championship, including players.
 
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Thread Killa said:
2005 Miami Hurricanes

9th overall recruiting class, finished 9-3 and getting blown out by LSU in the Peach Bowl.

-

2006 Canes

12th overall recruiting class, finished 7-6 and a win over Nevada in the Computer Bowl.

-

2007 Canes

13th overall class, finished 5-7.

-

2008 Canes

1st overall class, finished 7-6 and lost to Cal in the Emerald Bowl.

-

2009 Canes

16th overall class, finished 9-4 and lost to Wisconsin in the Champs Sports Bowl.

-

2010 Canes

14th overall class, finished 7-6 and lost to Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl.

-

2011 Canes

33rd overall class, finished 6-6.

-

2012 Canes

10th overall class, finished 7-5.

-

2013 Canes

14th overall class, finished 9-4 and lost to Louisville in the Russell Athletic Bowl.

-

2014 Canes

12th overall class, finished 6-7 and lost to South Carolina in the Independence Bowl.

-

2015 Canes

27th overall class, finished 8-5 and lost to Wash St. in the Sun Bowl.

-

2016 Canes (year 1 of the Richt era)

22nd overall class, finished 9-4 and beat West Virginia in the Russell Athletic Bowl.

-

2017 Canes

12th overall class, currently 10-2 and playing Wisconsin in the Orange Bowl.


Other examples:

2006 ACC champ Wake Forest, 66th overall class in 2006, 65th overall class in 2005, 102nd overall class in 2004.

Any GaTech that played in the ACC CG, any UNC team to play in the ACC CG, any Duke team to play in the ACC CG.

This season: Troy beat LSU, Howard beat UNLV, Pitt beat Miami.

Previous seasons: Appalachian St. beat Michigan, Georgia Southern beat UF, Boise beat Oklahoma, Utah beat Alabama.


If stars mattered, these upsets don't happen and schools like Wake, Duke, UNC, and GaTech don't play in the ACC CG or win the ACC.
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Dude I think you just proved that stars DO matter. You're basically saying that we have sucked since 2005, but the data you cite shows that we only had one top 5 and two top 10 classes during that time. What else could you expect but mediocrity?

Stars aren't everything, I'll give you that. You absolutely, positively need top notch coaching (learned that the hard way during the Randy era). And one amazing class is not enough to get it done; it takes a few years of consistently good recruiting to build a juggernaut. And sure, there are always going to be 5* busts (just like first round busts, despites the millions that teams spend evaluating potential NFL talent). But stars definitely matter, especially if you want to win nattys!

GO CANES!!!
 
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Those highly ranked teams were usually very large classes... not very talent laden classes.
 
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