Why stars DO matter.

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In case this is news to anybody. I always hear that "stars don't matter" but the facts don't bear that out. Recruiting is like gambling. It's all about stacking the odds in your favor. You might strike gold on a 3* recruit, but more often than not the 4/5* kid is going to be better. And in the end, it's all about the odds.


Here are the facts:


A five star recruit has a 74% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 23 picked out of 31 total)
A four star recruit has a 21% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 76 picked out of 354 total)
A three star recruit has a 7% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 90 picked out of 1202 total)

And it goes without saying... having a roster stacked with future NFL talent means you're likely to win some games.



Also, we can look at the number of blue chip player on every team's roster, and see that it matches up very well with the team's success:

Number of blue chips currently on the roster:

1.) Alabama (***** 18, **** 51)
2.) Ohio State (***** 7, **** 56)
3.) USC (***** 8, **** 41)
4.) Georgia (***** 11, **** 43)
5.) FSU (***** 10, **** 38)
6.) LSU (***** 4, **** 48)
7.) Michigan (***** 3, **** 46)
8.) Auburn (***** 4, **** 41)
9.) Clemson (***** 6, **** 34)
10.) Notre Dam (***** 0, **** 46)

compare that to...


Current College Football Rankings

1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Wisconsin
7. Auburn
8. USC
9. Penn State
10. UCF

Obviously there's no coincidence there. Out of 120 Division 1 teams, you see the same names on that top 10 list for a reason. Talent = winning.

(BTW, Miami is #20 in talent with ***** 1 and **** 24, and we are #11 in the rankings)


So my point is that recruiting highly ranked guys is like stacking the deck in your favor. It's like playing with house odds. Sure, you might lose a hand here or there, but in the long run the odds always win out.

Stars DO matter. And we shouldn't fool ourselves in to believing otherwise.
 

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Definitely agree but having these guys helps too

Lincoln Riley

Vennables

Saban

Among the best
 
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Huge variable..... coaching....

give golden all 5 stars and give saban all 3 stars....

I bet saban wins
 
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In case this is news to anybody. I always hear that "stars don't matter" but the facts don't bear that out. Recruiting is like gambling. It's all about stacking the odds in your favor. You might strike gold on a 3* recruit, but more often than not the 4/5* kid is going to be better. And in the end, it's all about the odds.


Here are the facts:


A five star recruit has a 74% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 23 picked out of 31 total)
A four star recruit has a 21% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 76 picked out of 354 total)
A three star recruit has a 7% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 90 picked out of 1202 total)

And it goes without saying... having a roster stacked with future NFL talent means you're likely to win some games.



Also, we can look at the number of blue chip player on every team's roster, and see that it matches up very well with the team's success:

Number of blue chips currently on the roster:

1.) Alabama (***** 18, **** 51)
2.) Ohio State (***** 7, **** 56)
3.) USC (***** 8, **** 41)
4.) Georgia (***** 11, **** 43)
5.) FSU (***** 10, **** 38)
6.) LSU (***** 4, **** 48)
7.) Michigan (***** 3, **** 46)
8.) Auburn (***** 4, **** 41)
9.) Clemson (***** 6, **** 34)
10.) Notre Dam (***** 0, **** 46)

compare that to...


Current College Football Rankings

1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Wisconsin
7. Auburn
8. USC
9. Penn State
10. UCF

Obviously there's no coincidence there. Out of 120 Division 1 teams, you see the same names on that top 10 list for a reason. Talent = winning.

(BTW, Miami is #20 in talent with ***** 1 and **** 24, and we are #11 in the rankings)


So my point is that recruiting highly ranked guys is like stacking the deck in your favor. It's like playing with house odds. Sure, you might lose a hand here or there, but in the long run the odds always win out.

Stars DO matter. And we shouldn't fool ourselves in to believing otherwise.

We are ranked 10
 
Huge variable..... coaching....

give golden all 5 stars and give saban all 3 stars....

I bet saban wins

I bet Golden wins.

LARRY COKER won a natty while Nick Saban was going 7-6 at Michigan State with a roster full of 3-stars. Think about that.
 
Huge variable..... coaching....

give golden all 5 stars and give saban all 3 stars....

sI bet saban wins

I bet Golden wins.

LARRY COKER won a natty while Nick Saban was going 7-6 at Michigan State with a roster full of 3-stars. Think about that.

FSU's recruiting classes the past 4 years: 6, 4, 4, 3

FSU's record with that talent: 6-6.

Explain that one, I'll wait
 
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Huge variable..... coaching....

give golden all 5 stars and give saban all 3 stars....

I bet saban wins

I bet Golden wins.

LARRY COKER won a natty while Nick Saban was going 7-6 at Michigan State with a roster full of 3-stars. Think about that.

Also, explain Wisconsin. Ranked #6 with ****** recruiting.

It's almost like stars might not be everything. Saying Golden would be Saban if you switched rosters is just stupid
 
**** shame that FSU is so far ahead of us in that department, i'll leave it at that
 
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Huge variable..... coaching....

give golden all 5 stars and give saban all 3 stars....

sI bet saban wins

I bet Golden wins.

LARRY COKER won a natty while Nick Saban was going 7-6 at Michigan State with a roster full of 3-stars. Think about that.

FSU's recruiting classes the past 4 years: 6, 4, 4, 3

FSU's record with that talent: 6-6.

Explain that one, I'll wait

It's called an "outlier."

That's the way statistics work.
 
Definitely agree but having these guys helps too

Lincoln Riley

Vennables

Saban

Among the best

Oh for sure. Clemson became a different team when they hired Brent Vennables. He's the best assistant coach in college football, IMO. But good coaching is also why Clemson is playing above their talent level... really they should be ranked #10 or somewhere in that ballpark if they had average coaching.

He needs to be a head coach somewhere. Vennables >> Kirby Smart in my book. Some team is going to strike gold when they hire this dude.

Miami has also outperformed our talent level by quite a lot. First time that's happened in ages... normally we recruit better than we play. Says good things about Mark Richt and Manny Diaz.
 
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The recruiting services are so much better and on top of things now than 5-10 years ago...the 247 comp will hit 70% nowadays...yes the rankings are starting to matter...bad coaching kills all
 
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I’m glad meathead started this thread otherwise I wouldn’t have realized that it’s better to land highly rated players.
 
Saying stars matter misses the point. Saban doesn’t recruit kids because others rate them highly. It’s closer to the opposite. He recruits the ones he thinks are the best kids. Others rate them highly because he recruits them.

Yes, the system tends to get it right at the end of the day. But ‘at the end of the day’ means by signing day. It’s a hindsight rating come Feb. the kids who got chased the most by the best programs get up-rated. Makes sense. Ends up being right. Doesn’t tell you much at all about who to recruit 2-3 years earlier, however. Which is when the top kids get recruited.

If UM becomes relevant agan, the kids we recruit will get ratings bumps. Our classes will ‘improve’ on paper. Coker recruits got ratings bumps long after Miami fans realized Coker was a dumpster fire. High ratings didn’t help in ‘04 and ‘08 because Coker and Shannon were bad to middling evaluators.

Richt needs to keep the best local kids home, first and foremost. Do that and we’ll be fine, whatever the ratings gurus say about those kids. Fail to do it and we won’t be fine, no matter how many rhyan andersons we pull from other parts of the country.
 
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