When a Player Breaks the Rules

CyberCane

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Does anyone know if Al disciplines not only the player, but punishes the team as well? Meaning that if a player skips practice or breakfast, that he make the entire team run twenty more gassers (or makes an earlier curfew, for ex)? I've always thought that is one of the best ways to curb discipline problems on a team--makes the players self police to a certain extent.
 
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With the depth situation this team is in, suspending the player is punishing the whole team.
 
of course the whole team was punished... We had a walk-on, on the field, for almost every 3rd down!
 
I think an interesting twist on this question is how the team punishes it's own. Taken from from another thread:

MCGEE TALKS UNITY/LEADERSHIP COUNCIL

> McGee said UM's leadership/unity council meets usually once a month in the Edgerrin James room at the Hecht Center to discuss important issues with Golden. "It's pretty much a connection between the players and coaches," McGee said. "Coach Goldenm he stresses to us what we have to get done and sometimes the players may have requests and it's our responsibility to take it to Coach Golden."

"When you see a guy who may be going down a [troublesome] path, everybody will talk to him and things like that. We'll pull him to the side ourselves and address it then. If coach sees an issue and he feels it needs to be adjusted we'll handle it."

Who is on the council? Every class -- seniors, juniors, sophomores and freshmen are represented. "[Running back] Mike James, me, [quarterback] Stephen Morris, [receiver] Allen Hurns, [offensive lineman] Brandon Linder, [cornerback] Tracy Howard, [receiver] Malcolm Lewis, [safety] Deon Bush those are some of the guys," McGee said. "It's a big group. We're not necessarily policemen, it's more like a bridge between the coaches and players."

Are there times when players have been proactive to stop a teammate from getting in trouble?

"There definitely has been times," McGee said. "We've also been able to do some other things, too. We talked to coach about bringing music to practice and he was receptive. We impose our own discipline as well. Guys don't sit out games -- that's not our decision. But other discipline measures. It varies."

Golden praised McGee's leadership Tuesday.

"Brandon McGee doesn't get enough credit for being the leader he's become," Golden said. "He's blessed with raw talent to play the corner position. What we're seeing now is he's a guy committed to working on his tools. He's so much tougher now than when he first got here. And he's a leader for us. If you asked when we first got here would he emerge as a team leader, captain, I'd say No. 2, No. 3, that's the chance he'd have. I'm really proud of him."

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiam...#storylink=cpy

As for Scott, McGee said he's doesn't know the true extent of why the sophomore receiver has been suspended indefinitely, but said "it's unfortunate."

Another teammate, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said: "For Rashawn to get suspended indefinitely, he had to have done some real messed up [bleep]. The rules aren't that hard to follow."

MCGEE TALKS UNITY/LEADERSHIP COUNCIL

> McGee said UM's leadership/unity council meets usually once a month in the Edgerrin James room at the Hecht Center to discuss important issues with Golden. "It's pretty much a connection between the players and coaches," McGee said. "Coach Goldenm he stresses to us what we have to get done and sometimes the players may have requests and it's our responsibility to take it to Coach Golden."

"When you see a guy who may be going down a [troublesome] path, everybody will talk to him and things like that. We'll pull him to the side ourselves and address it then. If coach sees an issue and he feels it needs to be adjusted we'll handle it."

Who is on the council? Every class -- seniors, juniors, sophomores and freshmen are represented. "[Running back] Mike James, me, [quarterback] Stephen Morris, [receiver] Allen Hurns, [offensive lineman] Brandon Linder, [cornerback] Tracy Howard, [receiver] Malcolm Lewis, [safety] Deon Bush those are some of the guys," McGee said. "It's a big group. We're not necessarily policemen, it's more like a bridge between the coaches and players."

Are there times when players have been proactive to stop a teammate from getting in trouble?

"There definitely has been times," McGee said. "We've also been able to do some other things, too. We talked to coach about bringing music to practice and he was receptive. We impose our own discipline as well. Guys don't sit out games -- that's not our decision. But other discipline measures. It varies."
 
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Mass punishment would be best. Then the players would get in the ones ******* up all the times ***. It would also make the team closer.
 
Speaking as someone who is in the military getting punished for someone else doing something stupid ******* sucks.
 
Speaking as someone who is in the military getting punished for someone else doing something stupid ******* sucks.

I've been holding my comments on this one. It's a little tricky. The military is big on punishing everyone for one guy's ****up. And while there is team building in sports and military, there is also a difference. The military pretty much owns your ***. UM does not. I believe absolutely that the coach has to hold all individual players accountable for their actions. But, IMO, that does not include punishing the other players. Like some have already stated, the negative effect of one guy's actions are readily apparent to the other guys.
 
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No the whole team isn't punished but the player is ran more, suspended and usually has to explain to the the coaches he wont do it again and step in front of the team and tell them they will not ***** up and hurt the team anymore.
 
I was on the football team in HS, briefly, but sometimes guys would come out late to practice and we all had to do Indian Running, crab walks for 100 yds and whellbarrows for 100 yds. **** sucked bad. The Indian runs in cleats were terrible. Especially when it came time for the OL to run to the front.
 
No the whole team isn't punished but the player is ran more, suspended and usually has to explain to the the coaches he wont do it again and step in front of the team and tell them they will not ***** up and hurt the team anymore.

Yeah. I like that. Sort of along the lines of what I was looking for. You hear Ray and Irvin say it all the time...they feared letting that man next to them down. I sense we don't have that right now...I hope we get it back.
 
Group punishment quickly becomes rare. The reason is, the dip****s making the entire team pay, usually get threatened with an asswhipping after a while, or actually get an asswhipping.

And THAT'S how you teach a TEAM to be a team. Because if they do it game time, the entire team suffers. Same thing.
 
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