What is the most important defensive stat?

Notsince1985

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To me, it's points allowed. You can give up 400 yards, but if you give up 14 points, in the end, that's all that really matters. People keep saying Coach D was bad last year, and that the scheme was bad last year too. Well, I contend that this scheme, while not perfect, actually worked well enough last year with better players than we have this year. We didn't have great players last year, and Ray Ray and Vernon were suspended for 4 and 6 games, and a lot of others for 1 game (Maryland). With Coach D's "horrible" scheme last year, the defense gave up 20.1 points per game, which was good for #17 in the nation. That said, Maryland scored 2 TDs directly off of turnovers (13 points since they missed an XP), FSU scored 7 from a punt return, and BC had an INT for a TD. That's 27 points the defense didn't give up, but was "charged with." Take that away and the defense actually gave up 17.8 points per game, which is very good in this day and age. That's not even taking into account the short fields opponents had to work with on occasion after a turnover.

Now, can you honestly tell me you wouldn't be happy with a defense giving up 17 points per game? Or even 20? Now if that's ok, how is it that Coach D's scheme didn't work last year? If the point is to stop the other team from scoring? It wasn't always pretty, and we did look bad at times, but with the players we had last year, I'd say Coach D actually got a good effort and results from the defense overall, and they won the Ohio State, GT, and USF games, and you could argue UNC as well with key stops on 4th down and late in the game. They also kept us in the FSU game. That was with one great player, Spence, one good player Vernon, and the rest young and inexperienced, or just not that talented.

This year we have even less talent and experience than last year. Coach D's numbers on defense are horrendous this year, but I think it's a combination of things. I agree that even with the lack of talent and experience we have, we shouldn't be this bad, but since we weren't that bad last year, in spite of what people say, or remember (selective memory is common on message boards), I'm willing to take this year for what it is, a rebuilding year, and hold off on the fire Coach D banners until next year. I know this won't make me popular with a lot on here, especially the ones who are better coaches than the coaches we have, but that's where I am right now. I'm going to watch the last 6 games (hopefully 7 or 8) of the year, and try to have fun. I'm not expecting much, so I hope I won't get crushed when we don't get much.
 
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Its points and ALOT of coaches look at 3rd down Efficiency (basically if you can get off the field you have a good D).. In our good years our 3rd down efficiency was off the charts...

We will see what Dono can do with HIS players soon enough
 
The goal of football is to have more points than your opponent has at the end of the game.

Saying points is the most important defensive stat is inaccurate.

Say a team holds another to 10 points on 20 defensive snaps. Lets say another hold another team to 13 on 40 defensive snaps.

Which is the better defense?

Our D allows teams to dominate the time of possession which hurts the other half of the equation scoring. Plus the constant bending and lack of turnovers does not help our offense with defensive scores and quick change short fields.

It's a stark contrast to our glory days defenses. Remember how often guys like Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, etc made game changing plays and defensive scores. Those defenses weren't based in points allowed.


You cannot truly judge a defense by one stat.

Points. Points per play. Yards. Yards per play. Red zone and 3rd down efficiency. Turnovers forced, etc. There is no single one dominant stat.
 
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Just saying "points allowed" is beyond ignorant. In fact it ****es me off when D'Onofrio talks like this. It's the soft a$$, bend don't break mindset (you can move the ball on me all day, and control TOP, but just don't score on me)

It's pu$$y **** and definitely not what Miami is built for.

so gtfoh with this "scoring defense is all that matters." WRONG
 
Just saying "points allowed" is beyond ignorant. In fact it ****es me off when D'Onofrio talks like this. It's the soft a$$, bend don't break mindset (you can move the ball on me all day, and control TOP, but just don't score on me)

It's pu$$y **** and definitely not what Miami is built for.

so gtfoh with this "scoring defense is all that matters." WRONG

I hate the bend but don't break defense, I'd much rather have a scheme built around pressure and aggressiveness, but the question was about a statistic not a style.
 
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In discussions like this I tend to disregard anything that focuses on points. There are any number of stats that deal with points, like Yards Per Point, Points Per Pass Attempt, Points Per Play...

Ignoring the point categories, and based on pure correlation to winning, rush defense typically tops the list in college football. That's partially due to sack yardage coming out of rushing numbers in the colleges, while sacks are taken away from pass yardage in the pros. Rush defense has a much lower correlation in the pros.

In isolating the legit contenders for the national title, I always focus on Defensive Yards Per Pass Attempt or Defensive Pass Efficiency. Look at those numbers and the SEC's dominance is easy to understand. That league attacks the quarterback and won't tolerate cheap underneath garbage. Last season the SEC featured the top four teams in defensive yards per pass attempt and this season the defensive passer rating category is monopolized by the SEC, with Alabama first, Florida second and LSU third.
 
Points ARE what matters most but the other things are bad/matter too.

Like I said yesterday "To me (the yards points thing) is like saying to a gun shot victim, hey you were shot in the heart and your going to die shortly and just so you know we also found a brain tumor. You can POSSIBLY live with the tumor (the yards), but the real issue the gun shot (the points) that is what kills.
 
Not strictly a defensive stat but i think non-offensive TDs has been the best indicator of success for Miami over the past 10-15 yrs...
 
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In discussions like this I tend to disregard anything that focuses on points. There are any number of stats that deal with points, like Yards Per Point, Points Per Pass Attempt, Points Per Play...

Ignoring the point categories, and based on pure correlation to winning, rush defense typically tops the list in college football. That's partially due to sack yardage coming out of rushing numbers in the colleges, while sacks are taken away from pass yardage in the pros. Rush defense has a much lower correlation in the pros.

In isolating the legit contenders for the national title, I always focus on Defensive Yards Per Pass Attempt or Defensive Pass Efficiency. Look at those numbers and the SEC's dominance is easy to understand. That league attacks the quarterback and won't tolerate cheap underneath garbage. Last season the SEC featured the top four teams in defensive yards per pass attempt and this season the defensive passer rating category is monopolized by the SEC, with Alabama first, Florida second and LSU third.

Good post.
 
In discussions like this I tend to disregard anything that focuses on points. There are any number of stats that deal with points, like Yards Per Point, Points Per Pass Attempt, Points Per Play...

Ignoring the point categories, and based on pure correlation to winning, rush defense typically tops the list in college football. That's partially due to sack yardage coming out of rushing numbers in the colleges, while sacks are taken away from pass yardage in the pros. Rush defense has a much lower correlation in the pros.

In isolating the legit contenders for the national title, I always focus on Defensive Yards Per Pass Attempt or Defensive Pass Efficiency. Look at those numbers and the SEC's dominance is easy to understand. That league attacks the quarterback and won't tolerate cheap underneath garbage. Last season the SEC featured the top four teams in defensive yards per pass attempt and this season the defensive passer rating category is monopolized by the SEC, with Alabama first, Florida second and LSU third.

Good post.

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Some of you guys are hilarious...it's points and turnovers created, period. Would you rather have the following:

A defense that gives up 10 points and creates an average of four turnovers per game (four chances for defensive score)

-OR-

A defense that gives up 20 points per game and creates an average of one turnover per game--but gives up less rushing yardage, has a higher percentage of 3rd down stops, etc. than the defense above.
 
Some of you guys are hilarious...it's points and turnovers created, period. Would you rather have the following:

A defense that gives up 10 points and creates an average of four turnovers per game (four chances for defensive score)

-OR-

A defense that gives up 20 points per game and creates an average of one turnover per game--but gives up less rushing yardage, has a higher percentage of 3rd down stops, etc. than the defense above.

I hear you and I agree but it is the points that still trumps everything else.

Even if we only let up 10 points per game, if we can't score 11, 20 turnovers wouldn't matter.

Points are key, turnovers are next.
 
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