What Does A "Good" Recruiting Class Look Like?

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What does a "good" recruiting class look like?

What does a "great" recruiting class look like?

What would make you think its a disaster?


I'll put it out there:

Not Going To Happen: Top 5
Miracle: Top 15
Hopeful: Top 20
Catastrophe: Top 30
Fire Diaz Instantly: 30+
 
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Good = fill all the depth holes on your roster with kids you believe could start and win games in the ACC, plus get as close to 85 as allowable. Must include a trade-across or trade-up for the majority of spots when compared to how the current starters looked like when they were in HS.

Great = 1/3 or more of the class is considered elite as agreed upon by the some combination of the coaches (comparing the recruits stacked-ranked on their boards), trustworthy local guys in the know who watch multiple games (our CIS team and best posters like LCE, Geta, Macho, etc.), scouting agencies who watch multiple 7x7 and other camps.

The Top 5 programs (Bama, Clemson, OSU, UGA, LSU) have more than half their commits in that elite classification. So while you should always take projects, especially local flyers, they can't be too great a share of the class for the class to be great.

So for example, while it's great that Clive Walford, Thurston Armbrister or Olsen Pierre turned into pros eventually, those classes were not even good, they were mediocre. Because there were too many of those types, and for every Pierre, there was a Cory King. Besides which, even if Pierre is in the NFL, no one would call him elite. You need to be getting the Willis or Silvera guys, not the Pierre or Jordan Miller guys in your class, across multiple position groups, to be considered great.
 
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At the University of Miami...if 50% of your class isn't filled with Blue Chip quality players...you're legitimately doing this wrong.

Miami is in the hottest hot bed of available talent in college football. 50% threshold of Blue Chippers should be the minimum requirement for having this job.

Right now, we're at about 35%.

Not sure much else needs to be said.

I've said it for years here...you can not have a majority of your class be 3* players no matter how good you think those 3* players are. Above, @grover touches upon it. It doesn't matter how many 3* you put into the league, you will never turn enough INTO blue chip players to make up the difference between you and the truly elite players in college football.

blah blah blah star whores blah blah...we're the University of Miami...we are a power five football program with five national titles.

We shouldn't be recruiting like we're just another regular ol ACC team. Clemson has a 94 average with their prospects. Miami has 88. That is the difference between us and a bottom of the barrell AAC team. The gap between Clemson and the rest of the ACC is growing at an alarming rate. You won't catch up with whatever the fvck we are doing right now. Sorry.
 
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At the University of Miami...if 50% of your class isn't filled with Blue Chip quality players...you're legitimately doing this wrong.

Miami is in the hottest hot bed of available talent in college football. 50% threshold of Blue Chippers should be the minimum requirement for having this job.

Right now, we're at about 35%.

Not sure much else needs to be said.

I've said it for years here...you can not have a majority of your class be 3* players no matter how good you think those 3* players are. Above, @grover touches upon it. It doesn't matter how many 3* you put into the league, you will never turn enough INTO blue chip players to make up the difference between you and the truly elite players in college football.

blah blah blah star whores blah blah...we're the University of Miami...we are a power five football program with five national titles.

We shouldn't be recruiting like we're just another regular ol ACC team. Clemson has a 94 average with their prospects. Miami has 88. That is the difference between us and a bottom of the barrell AAC team. The gap between Clemson and the rest of the ACC is growing at an alarming rate. You won't catch up with whatever the fvck we are doing right now. Sorry.

you must be a booty troll.

well at least according to a faccquit.
 
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1999 Football Signees
Larry Anderson DL 6-4/250 Kissimmee, FL (Osceola)
Kendrick Barrett DL 6-4/245 Grapeland, TX (Grapeland)
Julian Battle ATH 6-2/205 Wellington, FL (Wellington)
Kevin Beard WR 6-2/175 Plantation, FL (Plantation)
Phillip Buchanon DB 5-11/175 Lehigh, FL (Lehigh)
Vernon Carey OL 6-5/330 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Ken Dorsey QB 6-4.5/185 Orinda, CA (Miramonte)
Jason Geathers WR 6-3/215 Boca Raton, FL (Spanish River)
Talib Humphrey FB 6-2/225 Miami, FL (Southridge)
Andre Johnson WR 6-3/200 Miami, FL (Miami Senior)
Anthony Johnson ATH 6-4/180 Tulsa, OK (Washington)
Marquis Johnson DL 6-2/270 Miami, FL (Edison)
Antwain Joyce DB 6-2/200 Plant City, FL (Plant City)
Ivan Mercer TE 6-6/240 Oakmont, CA (Roseville HS/Costa Mesa JC)
Tory Mitchell DB 6-1/170 Big Springs, TX (Big Springs)
Bryant McKinnie OL 6-10/315 Woodbury, NJ (Woodbury HS/Lackawanna JC)
Jarrett Payton RB 6-2/205 Arlington, IL (St. Viator)
Clinton Portis RB 5-11/180 Gainesville, FL (Gainesville)
Maurice Sikes DB 5-11/180 Miami, FL (Pace)
James Sikora OL/SN 6-5/260 Marathon, FL (Marathon)
Jerrmell Weaver LB 6-2/195 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Jerrell Weaver LB 6-3/205 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Courtney Young DL 6-5/290 Bartow, FL (Bartow)
 
1999 Football Signees
Larry Anderson DL 6-4/250 Kissimmee, FL (Osceola)
Kendrick Barrett DL 6-4/245 Grapeland, TX (Grapeland)
Julian Battle ATH 6-2/205 Wellington, FL (Wellington)
Kevin Beard WR 6-2/175 Plantation, FL (Plantation)
Phillip Buchanon DB 5-11/175 Lehigh, FL (Lehigh)
Vernon Carey OL 6-5/330 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Ken Dorsey QB 6-4.5/185 Orinda, CA (Miramonte)
Jason Geathers WR 6-3/215 Boca Raton, FL (Spanish River)
Talib Humphrey FB 6-2/225 Miami, FL (Southridge)
Andre Johnson WR 6-3/200 Miami, FL (Miami Senior)
Anthony Johnson ATH 6-4/180 Tulsa, OK (Washington)
Marquis Johnson DL 6-2/270 Miami, FL (Edison)
Antwain Joyce DB 6-2/200 Plant City, FL (Plant City)
Ivan Mercer TE 6-6/240 Oakmont, CA (Roseville HS/Costa Mesa JC)
Tory Mitchell DB 6-1/170 Big Springs, TX (Big Springs)
Bryant McKinnie OL 6-10/315 Woodbury, NJ (Woodbury HS/Lackawanna JC)
Jarrett Payton RB 6-2/205 Arlington, IL (St. Viator)
Clinton Portis RB 5-11/180 Gainesville, FL (Gainesville)
Maurice Sikes DB 5-11/180 Miami, FL (Pace)
James Sikora OL/SN 6-5/260 Marathon, FL (Marathon)
Jerrmell Weaver LB 6-2/195 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Jerrell Weaver LB 6-3/205 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Courtney Young DL 6-5/290 Bartow, FL (Bartow)
**** I was born that year lol
 
1999 Football Signees
Larry Anderson DL 6-4/250 Kissimmee, FL (Osceola)
Kendrick Barrett DL 6-4/245 Grapeland, TX (Grapeland)
Julian Battle ATH 6-2/205 Wellington, FL (Wellington)
Kevin Beard WR 6-2/175 Plantation, FL (Plantation)
Phillip Buchanon DB 5-11/175 Lehigh, FL (Lehigh)
Vernon Carey OL 6-5/330 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Ken Dorsey QB 6-4.5/185 Orinda, CA (Miramonte)
Jason Geathers WR 6-3/215 Boca Raton, FL (Spanish River)
Talib Humphrey FB 6-2/225 Miami, FL (Southridge)
Andre Johnson WR 6-3/200 Miami, FL (Miami Senior)
Anthony Johnson ATH 6-4/180 Tulsa, OK (Washington)
Marquis Johnson DL 6-2/270 Miami, FL (Edison)
Antwain Joyce DB 6-2/200 Plant City, FL (Plant City)
Ivan Mercer TE 6-6/240 Oakmont, CA (Roseville HS/Costa Mesa JC)
Tory Mitchell DB 6-1/170 Big Springs, TX (Big Springs)
Bryant McKinnie OL 6-10/315 Woodbury, NJ (Woodbury HS/Lackawanna JC)
Jarrett Payton RB 6-2/205 Arlington, IL (St. Viator)
Clinton Portis RB 5-11/180 Gainesville, FL (Gainesville)
Maurice Sikes DB 5-11/180 Miami, FL (Pace)
James Sikora OL/SN 6-5/260 Marathon, FL (Marathon)
Jerrmell Weaver LB 6-2/195 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Jerrell Weaver LB 6-3/205 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Courtney Young DL 6-5/290 Bartow, FL (Bartow)

I remember a lot of these dudes from the Florida High School Gridiron Report and watching live. Saw Geathers, Beard, Battle, and all the MNW guys play in HS.
 
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At the University of Miami...if 50% of your class isn't filled with Blue Chip quality players...you're legitimately doing this wrong.

Miami is in the hottest hot bed of available talent in college football. 50% threshold of Blue Chippers should be the minimum requirement for having this job.

Right now, we're at about 35%.

Not sure much else needs to be said.

I've said it for years here...you can not have a majority of your class be 3* players no matter how good you think those 3* players are. Above, @grover touches upon it. It doesn't matter how many 3* you put into the league, you will never turn enough INTO blue chip players to make up the difference between you and the truly elite players in college football.

blah blah blah star whores blah blah...we're the University of Miami...we are a power five football program with five national titles.

We shouldn't be recruiting like we're just another regular ol ACC team. Clemson has a 94 average with their prospects. Miami has 88. That is the difference between us and a bottom of the barrell AAC team. The gap between Clemson and the rest of the ACC is growing at an alarming rate. You won't catch up with whatever the fvck we are doing right now. Sorry.
I think this is the disconnect that a lot of posters have with reality.

We've won the ACC Coastal once in sixteen attempts (well technically twice, thanks Al Golden).

Yes, Miami was once great and the ingredients are there for the programme to be great again, but right now Clemson are operating at a different level to us (I wonder how $$$$). They're legitimately out of our reach.

You can only live on your past glories for so long.

Our goal needs to be to consistently win the ACC Coastal, even in our down years. Do that, and due to the 4 year nature of recruiting, we can catch Clemson up very quickly. Right now though, they're playing in a different pool to us.
 
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1999 Football Signees
Larry Anderson DL 6-4/250 Kissimmee, FL (Osceola)
Kendrick Barrett DL 6-4/245 Grapeland, TX (Grapeland)
Julian Battle ATH 6-2/205 Wellington, FL (Wellington)
Kevin Beard WR 6-2/175 Plantation, FL (Plantation)
Phillip Buchanon DB 5-11/175 Lehigh, FL (Lehigh)
Vernon Carey OL 6-5/330 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Ken Dorsey QB 6-4.5/185 Orinda, CA (Miramonte)
Jason Geathers WR 6-3/215 Boca Raton, FL (Spanish River)
Talib Humphrey FB 6-2/225 Miami, FL (Southridge)
Andre Johnson WR 6-3/200 Miami, FL (Miami Senior)
Anthony Johnson ATH 6-4/180 Tulsa, OK (Washington)
Marquis Johnson DL 6-2/270 Miami, FL (Edison)
Antwain Joyce DB 6-2/200 Plant City, FL (Plant City)
Ivan Mercer TE 6-6/240 Oakmont, CA (Roseville HS/Costa Mesa JC)
Tory Mitchell DB 6-1/170 Big Springs, TX (Big Springs)
Bryant McKinnie OL 6-10/315 Woodbury, NJ (Woodbury HS/Lackawanna JC)
Jarrett Payton RB 6-2/205 Arlington, IL (St. Viator)
Clinton Portis RB 5-11/180 Gainesville, FL (Gainesville)
Maurice Sikes DB 5-11/180 Miami, FL (Pace)
James Sikora OL/SN 6-5/260 Marathon, FL (Marathon)
Jerrmell Weaver LB 6-2/195 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Jerrell Weaver LB 6-3/205 Miami, FL (Northwestern)
Courtney Young DL 6-5/290 Bartow, FL (Bartow)

Crazy how many of these kids never stepped on the field for the Canes. If that happens now all **** breaks loose and our staff can't evaluate for ****.

Go Canes!
 
Good = fill all the depth holes on your roster with kids you believe could start and win games in the ACC, plus get as close to 85 as allowable. Must include a trade-across or trade-up for the majority of spots when compared to how the current starters looked like when they were in HS.

Great = 1/3 or more of the class is considered elite as agreed upon by the some combination of the coaches (comparing the recruits stacked-ranked on their boards), trustworthy local guys in the know who watch multiple games (our CIS team and best posters like LCE, Geta, Macho, etc.), scouting agencies who watch multiple 7x7 and other camps.

The Top 5 programs (Bama, Clemson, OSU, UGA, LSU) have more than half their commits in that elite classification. So while you should always take projects, especially local flyers, they can't be too great a share of the class for the class to be great.

So for example, while it's great that Clive Walford, Thurston Armbrister or Olsen Pierre turned into pros eventually, those classes were not even good, they were mediocre. Because there were too many of those types, and for every Pierre, there was a Cory King. Besides which, even if Pierre is in the NFL, no one would call him elite. You need to be getting the Willis or Silvera guys, not the Pierre or Jordan Miller guys in your class, across multiple position groups, to be considered great.
Whilst I agree with some of this, the shots at Walford and Miller are misplaced.

There's a very good chance Miller turns out to be a better college player than Silvera. Those are the evaluations we have to nail right now to get back on top.

Also, it's college football. You don't need elite NFL players to win the ACC Coastal. If a guy is good enough to hang around in the NFL for 4+ years he's **** sure good enough to take us to Charlotte.

Baby steps.
 
Just putting this out there. Last year we pieced together a desperate 27th ranked class. It still has a chance to be a very good class.
 
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