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Athletic Revenue in 2011-12 By BCS Schools


School

Conference

Total Athletic Revenue

% of Revenue Attributed to FB

2012 Football Wins

Texas Big 12 $163.3 million 64% 8
Ohio State Big Ten $142.0 million 41% 12
Michigan Big Ten $128.8 million 66% 8
Alabama SEC $124.1 million 66% 12
Florida SEC $120.3 million 62% 11
LSU SEC $114.0 million 60% 10
Penn State Big Ten $108.3 million 61% 8
Oklahoma Big 12 $106.5 million 56% 10
Auburn SEC $106.0 million 73% 3
Tennessee SEC $105.9 million 50% 5
Wisconsin Big Ten $101.5 million 48% 8
Arkansas SEC $99.8 million 64% 4
Iowa Big Ten $97.4 million 52% 4
Notre Dame Independent $97.1 million 71% 12
Georgia SEC $91.7 million 82% 11
Stanford Pac-12 $89.1 million 29% 11
Louisville Big East $87.8 million 27% 10
South Carolina SEC $87.6 million 55% 10
Kentucky SEC $85.6 million 39% 2
Oklahoma State Big 12 $84.1 million 49% 7
USC Pac-12 $84.1 million 41% 7
Minnesota Big Ten $83.6 million 39% 6
Washington Pac-12 $82.6 million 64% 7
Nebraska Big Ten $81.6 million 68% 10
Florida State ACC $81.4 million 42% 11
Virginia ACC $81.3 million 30% 4
West Virginia Big 12 $80.0 million 31% 7
Kansas Big 12 $79.2 million 19% 1
Texas A&M SEC $79.0 million 56% 10
Michigan State Big Ten $79.0 million 63% 6
North Carolina ACC $78.8 million 35% 8
Duke ACC $78.6 million 32% 6
Arizona Pac-12 $76.0 million 32% 7
Oregon Pac-12 $73.9 million 70% 11
Syracuse Big East $73.3 million 39% 7
Indiana Big Ten $72.0 million 35% 4
California Pac-12 $71.2 million 37% 3
UCLA Pac-12 $70.7 million 36% 9
Purdue Big Ten $70.5 million 27% 6
TCU Big 12 $68.1 million 38% 7
Baylor Big 12 $67.8 million 29% 7
Clemson ACC $67.0 million 59% 10
Boston College ACC $66.2 million 33% 2
N.C. State ACC $65.5 million 39% 7
Virginia Tech ACC $64.8 million 51% 6
Illinois Big Ten $64.0 million 48% 2
Arizona State Pac-12 $63.8 million 55% 7
Connecticut Big East $63.8 million 20% 5
Kansas State Big 12 $63.6 million 41% 11
Maryland ACC $62.6 million 31% 4
Miami ACC $62.1 million 47% 7 ------------------ Miami is #51 in Revenue
Missouri SEC $61.3 million 25% 5
Northwestern Big Ten $61.2 million 45% 9
Georgia Tech ACC $60.3 million 53% 6
Texas Tech Big 12 $59.6 million 56% 7
Rutgers Big East $57.5 million 37% 9
Colorado Pac-12 $57.1 million 42% 1
Pittsburgh Big East $56.3 million 39% 6
Vanderbilt SEC $55.8 million 38% 8
Iowa State Big 12 $55.2 million 54% 6
Mississippi State SEC $54.9 million 46% 8
Oregon State Pac-12 $53.8 million 38% 9
BYU Independent $53.0 million 42% 7
Wake Forest ACC $48.8 million 36% 5
Washington State Pac-12 $48.0 million 38% 3
Utah Pac-12 $46.2 million 45% 5
South Florida Big East $43.6 million 39% 3
Ole Miss SEC $42.9 million 63% 6
Cincinnati Big East $39.6 million 39% 9
Temple Big East $39.0 million 44% 4
 
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A bunch of these school are basketball powerhouses, so consider that when you see Syracuse, U Conn, and Indiana. But Minnesota?
 
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true i forgot its total athletic revenue.... with the basketball program at duke only 32% of the revenue come from football anyway
 
AUcane said:
hoops156 said:
anyone know how much coach K gets paid at Duke?
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Not totally sure but I'm guessing in the $2-4M range.
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Mike Krzyzewski’s 2009 salary as coach of the Duke Blue Devil’s men’s basketball team is $4.5 million. Mike Krzyzeski was the coach of the U.S. Men’s National Basketball Team and coach of the men’s college basketball team, the Duke Blue Devils, and has a net worth of $18 million.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/mike-krzyzewski-net-worth/
 
Would be interesting to see these numbers on a per capita basis. Obviously football requires the same number of scholarships across the board and similar costs, but we have fewer ancillary programs to support and I would suspect most of our targeted giving goes to football, making us more competitive with lower revenue.

I imagine as our alumni base becomes more national and wealthier, we will start to climb in the revenue rankings. Our peer schools are really USC, Duke, BC, Vandy, TCU, etc... We are in the middle of the pack right now but will grow as the status of the university grows.
 
umhurricano said:
Would be interesting to see these numbers on a per capita basis. Obviously football requires the same number of scholarships across the board and similar costs, but we have fewer ancillary programs to support and I would suspect most of our targeted giving goes to football, making us more competitive with lower revenue.

I imagine as our alumni base becomes more national and wealthier, we will start to climb in the revenue rankings. Our peer schools are really USC, Duke, BC, Vandy, TCU, etc... We are in the middle of the pack right now but will grow as the status of the university grows.
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You make a valid point - that is, the total revenues are not comparable across the board without knowing the size of the athletics department - however, what you list as peer schools are not peer schools. USC and BC probably have twice the number of varsity sports that UM has. UM has very high revenues considering the size of its athletics department, and athletics is in the black, unlike many schools on that list - even ones above UM.

School Male Participants Female Participants
Miami 220 237
Duke 377 275
USC 322 356
BC 337 345
Vandy 195 156
TCU 312 265
 
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Thanks for looking that up. I would still say those schools are our closest peers out of any others on the list. Off of the top of my head there aren't any other programs with similarly sized athletic departments (except Vandy) who generate our kind of revenue. Of course there is a certain "fixed" portion of costs necessary to be competitive with the big boys that does not vary by number of athletes. Not sure what that amount would be, though.
 
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561Cane said:
Revenue is one thing but what is the expense and bottom line net income?
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This. Net income is what matters, plenty of these athletic programs lost money this season, actually the vast majority of D1 programs usually do.
 
FlaSportsFan88 said:
561Cane said:
Revenue is one thing but what is the expense and bottom line net income?
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This. Net income is what matters, plenty of these athletic programs lost money this season, actually the vast majority of D1 programs usually do.
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Basically what I was getting at. Obviously I am looking at it from a football bias, but there are certain costs associated with the football program, basketball program, and other revenue sports. These are probably similar on a per-athlete basis but vary dramatically on items like coaches salary. Then you have costs associated with the other non-revenue generating sports, which are probably fairly similar on a per-athlete basis amongst major schools (although some, like Stanford, invest heavily in non-revenue sports).

Net income is probably less important because schools are (generally) not for profit enterprises. You are looking for what the school expects to take out of the athletic department to use elsewhere. What is left over is money for reinvestment in the athletic department, which probably goes heavily to revenue generating sports. This is the money that sets top-tier programs apart because it is used for facilities.

All that being said, normal revenue is probably a wash for most programs on the list (i.e., the revenue taken in is mostly used to support basic athletic costs and budgets are balanced by adding or cutting non-revenue sports). Some have better merchandise sales, but TV revenue is shared. The real difference is earmarked donations by boosters, which often go to big ticket items like HC salary and new facilities. The key to a top tier football program is booster donations (or, in Miami's case, being in the most fruitful recruiting ground in the US, and getting lucky on coach hires).
 
Revenue is only half the equation.

Miami is the most profitable program in the ACC.

condor said:
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/12/alabama_and_auburn_stay_among.html


Athletic Revenue in 2011-12 By BCS Schools


School

Conference

Total Athletic Revenue

% of Revenue Attributed to FB

2012 Football Wins

Texas Big 12 $163.3 million 64% 8
Ohio State Big Ten $142.0 million 41% 12
Michigan Big Ten $128.8 million 66% 8
Alabama SEC $124.1 million 66% 12
Florida SEC $120.3 million 62% 11
LSU SEC $114.0 million 60% 10
Penn State Big Ten $108.3 million 61% 8
Oklahoma Big 12 $106.5 million 56% 10
Auburn SEC $106.0 million 73% 3
Tennessee SEC $105.9 million 50% 5
Wisconsin Big Ten $101.5 million 48% 8
Arkansas SEC $99.8 million 64% 4
Iowa Big Ten $97.4 million 52% 4
Notre Dame Independent $97.1 million 71% 12
Georgia SEC $91.7 million 82% 11
Stanford Pac-12 $89.1 million 29% 11
Louisville Big East $87.8 million 27% 10
South Carolina SEC $87.6 million 55% 10
Kentucky SEC $85.6 million 39% 2
Oklahoma State Big 12 $84.1 million 49% 7
USC Pac-12 $84.1 million 41% 7
Minnesota Big Ten $83.6 million 39% 6
Washington Pac-12 $82.6 million 64% 7
Nebraska Big Ten $81.6 million 68% 10
Florida State ACC $81.4 million 42% 11
Virginia ACC $81.3 million 30% 4
West Virginia Big 12 $80.0 million 31% 7
Kansas Big 12 $79.2 million 19% 1
Texas A&M SEC $79.0 million 56% 10
Michigan State Big Ten $79.0 million 63% 6
North Carolina ACC $78.8 million 35% 8
Duke ACC $78.6 million 32% 6
Arizona Pac-12 $76.0 million 32% 7
Oregon Pac-12 $73.9 million 70% 11
Syracuse Big East $73.3 million 39% 7
Indiana Big Ten $72.0 million 35% 4
California Pac-12 $71.2 million 37% 3
UCLA Pac-12 $70.7 million 36% 9
Purdue Big Ten $70.5 million 27% 6
TCU Big 12 $68.1 million 38% 7
Baylor Big 12 $67.8 million 29% 7
Clemson ACC $67.0 million 59% 10
Boston College ACC $66.2 million 33% 2
N.C. State ACC $65.5 million 39% 7
Virginia Tech ACC $64.8 million 51% 6
Illinois Big Ten $64.0 million 48% 2
Arizona State Pac-12 $63.8 million 55% 7
Connecticut Big East $63.8 million 20% 5
Kansas State Big 12 $63.6 million 41% 11
Maryland ACC $62.6 million 31% 4
Miami ACC $62.1 million 47% 7 ------------------ Miami is #51 in Revenue
Missouri SEC $61.3 million 25% 5
Northwestern Big Ten $61.2 million 45% 9
Georgia Tech ACC $60.3 million 53% 6
Texas Tech Big 12 $59.6 million 56% 7
Rutgers Big East $57.5 million 37% 9
Colorado Pac-12 $57.1 million 42% 1
Pittsburgh Big East $56.3 million 39% 6
Vanderbilt SEC $55.8 million 38% 8
Iowa State Big 12 $55.2 million 54% 6
Mississippi State SEC $54.9 million 46% 8
Oregon State Pac-12 $53.8 million 38% 9
BYU Independent $53.0 million 42% 7
Wake Forest ACC $48.8 million 36% 5
Washington State Pac-12 $48.0 million 38% 3
Utah Pac-12 $46.2 million 45% 5
South Florida Big East $43.6 million 39% 3
Ole Miss SEC $42.9 million 63% 6
Cincinnati Big East $39.6 million 39% 9
Temple Big East $39.0 million 44% 4
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