Wasted oppurtunity

[Brooklyndee]

I don’t want to speak for Dee but I don’t think he nor did I mean to start Perry from Game one.What I was talking about was weening him in a little at a time to get him game time,to let him play at game speed to see if he was indeed ready.
You bring him along against all the lesser opponents we were playing getting him to a point where you could compare his skills to Rosiers in a game setting.

THEN by the time you got to the back end of our schedule you’d know if we got to a situation like we’ve been in the last few weeks there’d be an option.Right now we have no one other than Sheriffs and he’s HORRIBLE.Do any of you not think that Perry is good enough that he could have beat Pitt? If you don’t then he’s not the answer either cause anyone that could throw a ball accurately could have won that game for us.

IF Perry is as good as most seem to think he’s 3 and out anyways so what benefit is there of RS him?If he’s not then by that time there’s a lot of other options to turn to in Weldon,Williams or another stud or two. You just wasted a year of his development.A year not necessarily starting but getting meaningful game playing time to at least SEE and make an educated assessment of his talents going forward.What was there to lose?

Guys were yelling to put in the backup last night.We DONT HAVE A BACKUP.At least one that might give you a spark or get you back in the game.
This is where a Perry,who would have had 10-11 games of game time could possibly have made a difference.Maybe maybe not.But because he got none we still don’t know and we will go into the LSU game next year still not knowing,unless Rosier is starting.

That’s what I meant and I THINK Dee meant but again I’m only clarifying what I meant and not speaking for him.Thats whi I think Richt made an error in judgement regarding Perry’s RS But it’s just MY opinion which means very little in the grand scheme of things.

Here's the problem with that plan, we never put any teams away aside from Notre Dame to ease him in. UNC, GT, FSU, Pitt, UVA, Syracuse, I can't remember the rest of the schedule but in almost every game we played we needed 4th quarter heroics to win. So there was never an opportunity to put Perry in. By the time of the ND game, it was useless to burn his redshirt.

Just a question but you do understand why we were in that position with all these close games & no one being put away right?not trying to be a jerk. Im just into irony.

 

[Brooklyndee]

I don't think this year was a wasted opportunity. Richt is a smart man who knew we werent going to win the national championship in 2017. Instead he went with the Qb and starters who gave us the best chance of winning the most and accomplishing our goals. Which were always winning 10 games and winning the coastal.

Richt also knows the impact a 10 win season, plus a major bowl birth, has on recruits. Because we have met our goals this year we are about to sign the best class in 10 years (not sure 9-3 or 8-4 getsnus thensame class). This 2018 class will be the foundation to a real national championship run.

I get everyone is emotional but this year has been a success. Malik wasn't perfect but at times he was very good. That can be said for Manny QB's who this board has idolized during the season. Ups and downs are part of the game, just ask the auburn qb who everyone was in love since the thrashing of Georgia a few weeks ago and the thrashing of Alabama last week. Yesterday he laid an egg just like we did. Except we lost to the national champions of last year and possibly this year again.

As long as we keep improving I'll be a happy canes fan. Was yesterday embarrassing? Fck yea. But more embarrassing is 8 straight loses to the ****tyholes of Florida state, not having a coach and having your class fall apart.

I thank all the seniors who stuck with the U during the bad times and made us proud this year. That's including Malik Rosier.

The future is bright cane fans

Well said brother.

 

[Brooklyndee]

lol at this thread. Nobody else on this roster was leading us to 10-2. Nkosi ain't going into FSU and winning that game. If we lose that game, our juice is gone, deflated, exhausted. Who knows what would've happened.

This season was a ****ing success on all levels. We are back and moving forward we have serious momentum.

Wasted opportunity? See Mullins, Yearby, or Bruce.

Yep.

Dee I just don't get. Only former player who enjoys bashing the current roster and coaching staff non-stop. I'm friends with Sinorice Moss and it's a night and day difference between the two.

It's bizarre considering Dee wasn't exactly a star player here. He has an agenda and it's obvious. He also wasn't lamenting not playing Perry when we were 10-0. Now of cousre he comes out of the woodwork

I wont get into the shots against me. No problem on that as ur entitled to your own feelings. If you think im bashing the staff though your severely misunderstood. Should i or could i have worded the thread better,absolutely. Hindsight ur right. But no one can say im critical of this staff. I love this staff and than god we have them. Miami football IS back because of them after years of purgatory due to the staff hires of previous regimes. Im friends with sinorice & santana as well. Hope his acting stuff starts to work out more for him. Its amusing you decided you know who i am to qhere my playing time here has been judged but cool. Feel free on that one. Ive said all along my thoughts on this which is why people were so critical of my thoughts while we were winning. Pretty sad you see an agenda out of that one. Id love if youd fill me in so i can understand my own pitiful life just that much better. All i care about is my nephews time here being as good to him as my time was to me. Because without it i wouldnt be near the individual that i am(regardless of you or others like you approvals) long as my friends & loved ones know the person i am ill be content. God bless brother.

 

[bobbydigius]

lol at this thread. Nobody else on this roster was leading us to 10-2. Nkosi ain't going into FSU and winning that game. If we lose that game, our juice is gone, deflated, exhausted. Who knows what would've happened.

This season was a ****ing success on all levels. We are back and moving forward we have serious momentum.

Wasted opportunity? See Mullins, Yearby, or Bruce.

Yep.

Dee I just don't get. Only former player who enjoys bashing the current roster and coaching staff non-stop. I'm friends with Sinorice Moss and it's a night and day difference between the two.

It's bizarre considering Dee wasn't exactly a star player here. He has an agenda and it's obvious. He also wasn't lamenting not playing Perry when we were 10-0. Now of cousre he comes out of the woodwork

I enjoy connected posters that dont blow sunshine all day on here. He has been pretty **** consistent and usually his reasoning for his opinions is backed up with facts. It was annoying as **** when we were undefeated, so many posters were convinced Rosier was the man and that our secondary was amazing. You could not reason with them.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Unnecessarily aggressive there at the end, but ok.

Fair argument about how the QB spot was handled, but you have to make some big assumptions to think Perry would have done better. As for "golden boy", nobody deserves that until the season is over and we see what they've done (Rosier looked amazing at 10-0, but at 10-3 he wouldn't look so hot. Not that he ever looked like an amazing QB, just that he looked like a winner). I don't buy the idea that this or that guy would have been better or will be better. The truth is that you don't know until they play. You would have said that Rosier could beat Pitt based on what he did in the second half against fsu. Say what you want, but fsu has a much better D than Pitt. Same goes for Perry. He looks the goods, but until he does it on the field we don't know for sure.

Bottom line, I'm happy enough with this season to not question the QB call.

Thats where your misunderstanding me brother. Im not at all saying he wouldve done better or couldve even had the same season or anything relating to that. My sole point is we know rosiers cieling. We knew it coming into the year. Im not gonna argue about how he looked at 10-0 or any other time. To me all i wanted was to see if we have our qb for our future or not because we know rosier isnt that. In my eyes we wouldve had basically the same season as a bottom line no matter who was at the position because of the quality of teams we played. Feel free to look back. I said before we had any clue who the qb would be that i thought we go 10-2 at worst. Id agree on no need for aggression either but on here that seems the norm. If people dont agree they simply attack u.

I understand this Dee, but from my viewpoint the upside of starting Rosier and not rolling Kosi out is...

We didn't show our hand too much to the recruits. If we rolled with Kosi and he absolutely sucked (much like Blackmon up north did) couldn't it be possible that kids could have been turned away? So now they can at least look at the team and think we overachieved with a ****ty QB...and we have some badasses in the holster for next season.

Also we didn't risk causing a regression in Perry if he started too early, not knowing the playbook as you said, and having the entire fanbase turn on him. This can damage a kid's psyche before he even gets going...

These are my thoughts. What do you think about em? I enjoyed the journey this season, just not the end result thus far. I was never fully sold on Rosier, but the team around him (specifically the D) was badass enough to get us into the CFP conversation. Which is more than I imagined before the season started. It also has brought us a very nice recruiting class.

I agree on everything you said. All valid points. I loved the season as a whole. I loved seeing the progressions we made & the developement of some players we had all gave up on. Myself specifically. Redwine more than anyone. At points this season i wouldve taken a bat to his legs. But these last several games hes came out with a whole different attitude towards the game. Hes came out with that hitstick and been laying wood to the best of his abilities. All we can ask for. I suppose that should be my outlook towards rosier as well. He played to the best of his abilities and i honestly believe he did do that. We just needed more out of the position. I know to plenty im just some ***** whois far too harsh on this kid. Maybe thats valid...

Nah man you love your Canes, and have a ton more invested in them than any of us. I get the passion. I think you're right about Rosier, I think he gave us everything he had...its just unfortunately not enough. The point on Redwine is valid. You saw him, and alot of kids grow up quickly this year. It will pay dividends in the future.

Amen. Cant wait till we especially get this db class in there. Thats gonna make this d night and day what we can do pressure wise. Just praying we dont get hit as hard as i think we will on the dline. Gonna be real tough to replace all of those snaps on the dline.

 

[Hurracanes]

Dee, the question everyone really wants to know is Jobe going to stick or is he a sellout to his city?

 

[AdrianP]

lol at this thread. Nobody else on this roster was leading us to 10-2. Nkosi ain't going into FSU and winning that game. If we lose that game, our juice is gone, deflated, exhausted. Who knows what would've happened.

This season was a ****ing success on all levels. We are back and moving forward we have serious momentum.

Wasted opportunity? See Mullins, Yearby, or Bruce.

Yep.

Dee I just don't get. Only former player who enjoys bashing the current roster and coaching staff non-stop. I'm friends with Sinorice Moss and it's a night and day difference between the two.

It's bizarre considering Dee wasn't exactly a star player here. He has an agenda and it's obvious. He also wasn't lamenting not playing Perry when we were 10-0. Now of cousre he comes out of the woodwork

I enjoy connected posters that dont blow sunshine all day on here. He has been pretty **** consistent and usually his reasoning for his opinions is backed up with facts. It was annoying as **** when we were undefeated, so many posters were convinced Rosier was the man and that our secondary was amazing. You could not reason with them.

Lol you hate this team and take every opportunity to bytch or whine about our players, recruits, and staff. You enjoy watching Rosier's fall from grace cause it proves you were right. I was on this forum for months talking about how limited he was but you don't see me gloating about it and reveling in it. And the secondary has been playing out if its mind. We finished 18th in passing efficiency defense with a ton of kids no one respected, especially you.

 

[bobbydigius]

lol at this thread. Nobody else on this roster was leading us to 10-2. Nkosi ain't going into FSU and winning that game. If we lose that game, our juice is gone, deflated, exhausted. Who knows what would've happened.

This season was a ****ing success on all levels. We are back and moving forward we have serious momentum.

Wasted opportunity? See Mullins, Yearby, or Bruce.

Yep.

Dee I just don't get. Only former player who enjoys bashing the current roster and coaching staff non-stop. I'm friends with Sinorice Moss and it's a night and day difference between the two.

It's bizarre considering Dee wasn't exactly a star player here. He has an agenda and it's obvious. He also wasn't lamenting not playing Perry when we were 10-0. Now of cousre he comes out of the woodwork

I enjoy connected posters that dont blow sunshine all day on here. He has been pretty **** consistent and usually his reasoning for his opinions is backed up with facts. It was annoying as **** when we were undefeated, so many posters were convinced Rosier was the man and that our secondary was amazing. You could not reason with them.

Lol you hate this team and take every opportunity to bytch or whine about our players, recruits, and staff. You enjoy watching Rosier's fall from grace cause it proves you were right. I was on this forum for months talking about how limited he was but you don't see me gloating about it and reveling in it. And the secondary has been playing out if its mind. We finished 18th in passing efficiency defense with a ton of kids no one respected, especially you.

Sorry, I love this team. I dont enjoy seeing Rosier miss throws all over the field, and our secondary making average QBs look like Tom Brady. I get annoyed by sunshine pumpers that constantly think every player we have is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Also what recruits have I bashed, outside of saying that Blades isn't as good as his ranking suggests, otherwise I have continued to say we have a monster class?

 

[Brooklyndee]

lol at this thread. Nobody else on this roster was leading us to 10-2. Nkosi ain't going into FSU and winning that game. If we lose that game, our juice is gone, deflated, exhausted. Who knows what would've happened.

This season was a ****ing success on all levels. We are back and moving forward we have serious momentum.

Wasted opportunity? See Mullins, Yearby, or Bruce.

Yep.

Dee I just don't get. Only former player who enjoys bashing the current roster and coaching staff non-stop. I'm friends with Sinorice Moss and it's a night and day difference between the two.

It's bizarre considering Dee wasn't exactly a star player here. He has an agenda and it's obvious. He also wasn't lamenting not playing Perry when we were 10-0. Now of cousre he comes out of the woodwork

I enjoy connected posters that dont blow sunshine all day on here. He has been pretty **** consistent and usually his reasoning for his opinions is backed up with facts. It was annoying as **** when we were undefeated, so many posters were convinced Rosier was the man and that our secondary was amazing. You could not reason with them.

Lol you hate this team and take every opportunity to bytch or whine about our players, recruits, and staff. You enjoy watching Rosier's fall from grace cause it proves you were right. I was on this forum for months talking about how limited he was but you don't see me gloating about it and reveling in it. And the secondary has been playing out if its mind. We finished 18th in passing efficiency defense with a ton of kids no one respected, especially you.

Me? Okie doke. If ive come across that bad im sorry yall. Cause im seriously not trying to portray any of that. Especially about the secondary. I guess i need to work on articulating better.

 

[moshated305]

He wasn't ready, if he was an EE you might have a point but he wasn't ready when he got here in the fall.

 

[AdrianP]

lol at this thread. Nobody else on this roster was leading us to 10-2. Nkosi ain't going into FSU and winning that game. If we lose that game, our juice is gone, deflated, exhausted. Who knows what would've happened.

This season was a ****ing success on all levels. We are back and moving forward we have serious momentum.

Wasted opportunity? See Mullins, Yearby, or Bruce.

Yep.

Dee I just don't get. Only former player who enjoys bashing the current roster and coaching staff non-stop. I'm friends with Sinorice Moss and it's a night and day difference between the two.

It's bizarre considering Dee wasn't exactly a star player here. He has an agenda and it's obvious. He also wasn't lamenting not playing Perry when we were 10-0. Now of cousre he comes out of the woodwork

I enjoy connected posters that dont blow sunshine all day on here. He has been pretty **** consistent and usually his reasoning for his opinions is backed up with facts. It was annoying as **** when we were undefeated, so many posters were convinced Rosier was the man and that our secondary was amazing. You could not reason with them.

Lol you hate this team and take every opportunity to bytch or whine about our players, recruits, and staff. You enjoy watching Rosier's fall from grace cause it proves you were right. I was on this forum for months talking about how limited he was but you don't see me gloating about it and reveling in it. And the secondary has been playing out if its mind. We finished 18th in passing efficiency defense with a ton of kids no one respected, especially you.

Me? Okie doke. If ive come across that bad im sorry yall. Cause im seriously not trying to portray any of that. Especially about the secondary. I guess i need to work on articulating better.

Lol no, I was responding to bobbydigius. You're cool bruh. Keep providing the inside scoops.

 

[skillydoo]

If Richt started Perry its possible we could have had an FSU type season. Its also possible he could've gone 10-2 to an ACC Championship game. Next year whoever gets the start will have alot more weapons that is for sure. It's been a phenomenal season and I enjoyed every minute of it. Go Canes.

 

[ajkreider]

How did Clemson do when they had to start their freshman? They went from all-world to losing to Syracuse. No, Rosier isn't gold. But do I think Perry beats FSU?

Lots of Sunday morning qb-ing in here.

 

[Mico Jones]

How did Clemson do when they had to start their freshman? They went from all-world to losing to Syracuse. No, Rosier isn't gold. But do I think Perry beats FSU?

Lots of Sunday morning qb-ing in here.

Which Freshman? They did pretty well with weaning Deshaun Watson in when Cliff Stoudt was their starter. Dude took them to the NC game the following year.

Just sayin.

 

[Cane6]

The fact that Robert Knowles sucked as bad as he did snd still got playing time is evidence that we need more depth.

I hope I never see him in a game again..... ever

 

[jackbenimble71]

So Williams was supposed to commit on dec 1. Then he pushed it out to dec 8 ( I think) Curious if the staff told him to hold off seeing the firing of Sumlin and maybe we wanted to get a read on Fortin?

Also, I 100% agree with Dee about the opening drive and Thomas. I mentioned this in another thread. The dude was wide open and a td was waiting. Lead Thomas for a td and the game would have been different. It would have been a great response to Clemons opening drive and broken their arrogance.

 

[Zanecane]

I respect everyone's opinion on the subject. It is an interesting debate. But I think recent history shows us exactly why you had to go with Rosier if he won the job in camp and once he started winning games you couldn't make a switch.

Al golden started Brad over Williams in his senior season. Yes I understand Williams started the season with an injury. But by Golden choosing to focus on the future rather than win games in the moment, I think he split his team. We hear stories often about how the team was pleading with him to play Williams because they believed he gave them a better chance to win.

If you're an upperclassmen and you've stuck by this program through the dark times. You Chose to stay when you could have declared for the draft or transferred to another program (Berrios). the coaching staff owes it to those guys to field the best team possible. The upperclassmen lead the younger players and the precedent needs to be set. We are playing to win and the players who gives us the best chance to win will play.

 

[k9cane]

the problem is that Miami played so many down-to-the-wire games( a lot of it because of the inconsistent offense led by Rosier) that they didn't have a lot of blowouts where N'kosi could have gotten in

Personally, I believe we've gotten as far as we can with Rosier. He was a great 'bridge' QB but Id like to see us move on from him

 

[k9cane]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Unnecessarily aggressive there at the end, but ok.

Fair argument about how the QB spot was handled, but you have to make some big assumptions to think Perry would have done better. As for "golden boy", nobody deserves that until the season is over and we see what they've done (Rosier looked amazing at 10-0, but at 10-3 he wouldn't look so hot. Not that he ever looked like an amazing QB, just that he looked like a winner). I don't buy the idea that this or that guy would have been better or will be better. The truth is that you don't know until they play. You would have said that Rosier could beat Pitt based on what he did in the second half against fsu. Say what you want, but fsu has a much better D than Pitt. Same goes for Perry. He looks the goods, but until he does it on the field we don't know for sure.

Bottom line, I'm happy enough with this season to not question the QB call.

Thats where your misunderstanding me brother. Im not at all saying he wouldve done better or couldve even had the same season or anything relating to that. My sole point is we know rosiers cieling. We knew it coming into the year. Im not gonna argue about how he looked at 10-0 or any other time. To me all i wanted was to see if we have our qb for our future or not because we know rosier isnt that. In my eyes we wouldve had basically the same season as a bottom line no matter who was at the position because of the quality of teams we played. Feel free to look back. I said before we had any clue who the qb would be that i thought we go 10-2 at worst. Id agree on no need for aggression either but on here that seems the norm. If people dont agree they simply attack u.

I'm certainly not going to attack you but I disagree with what you're saying. Would have lost 3+ games without the last two. We had no chance against Clemson regardless. We had key injuries, we don't have depth or even 85 scholarship players. We just didn't have the horses to beat them in this game, not even close.

Hopefully we can hold on to this class, Rosier had a big part of that whether you want to agree with that or not, he did the best he could and I thank him for giving us hope again. Unless you have an absolute great freshman QB they lose games, it is what it is. I've been betting against them for 30 years. Nobody likes ending a season like this but we just don't have the horses yet it's easy to see, this game was over in the first quarter even the D couldn't hold up.

Nothing at all wrong with having a different opinion brother. Neither of ours are more valid than the other which is why its just opinions. I agree with most you said & consider it all valid points. In my eyes obviously our depth was vital but so is aqb who can get the ball in our playmakers hands. Just look at the two times we tried going deep as a prime example. Second play of the game for us. 2nd & 6 Jeff Thomas was streaking down the middle of the field with atleast 15 yards of seperation between him and the closest defender & the whole field ahead to himself. The one thing your qb is taught is to put the ball up to the middle part of the field and let the reciever run it down. What did rosier do? He put it in the one spot we couldnt afford. Short & back to the boundary. Instead of a touchdown or even a momentum pushing big completion he let the db back in the play to where he almost madd the pick. Incompletion end result. The flea flicker to a wide open berrios over the middle... he drastically overthrows him. That game never gets out of hand if we just do the basics. But thats just my opinion.

go back to the game winning drive vs Gatech, his bubble screen passes werent' all that well thrown. Again, any completion percentage in the low 50's is putrid in this day and age

 

[Canesfan0024]

Start Perry in the bowl. If he is any good he won't be here 4 years anyway.