Wasted oppurtunity

[Brooklyndee]

Who isn't sold on Jarren Williams?

Kid looks like a great prospect and I haven't heard a negative review about him. If Perry is really as good as you say playing this year shouldn't affect next year.

Plenty of RS Freshman have balled out without playing their first year.

Weird post dude. You managed to **** on all of our QB options next year except Weldon. Maybe worry about WR instead. Outside of Pope we don't have any instant impact recruits coming in. Need another WR who can play as a freshman

One is im not ****ting on any of our qb options. I just wouldve liked to get nkosi some game action. Simple. Far as who isnt sold on williams im not gonna get into that. I know alot of people in his area. As we all know im good with cade fortin & his family. I know alot of people out that way. Cade told dumbo **** off. Hes not going to a & m. The pecking order for the top 3 is interchangable sortve. Its trevor lawrence at one than either emory jones or cade at 2 or 3. Jarren does play 7a but hes playing outside of district alot. He really only played 2 tough teams this year one being Norcross & if i remember right the other was don brosco. Against norcross he played horrible & they got blown out 31-7 bosco they won by 3 in ot i believe. With him what people question most is his heart or his will to win. Just like matt corral. Want another example. How many times did the tv show rosier tonight? Dude flat out looked like he checked out first quarter. I want a leader at qb first & foremost. The comment about wr im not even gonna get into. Were all intitled to opinions. Personally ill take my nephew over pope all day & i love him too. Im not at all worried about wr next year. Im worried about qb play & consistency out of the oline. Thats it on the whole team. Maybe a punter who can kick the ball too.

So why didn't we go after Cade? Staff doesn't agree with your assessment?

Were talking to cade now but cade is a very loyal quiet humble kid. He loves kevin sumlin & staff. Hes been committed to a & m and has told us all along if sumlins sticks so does he. As a result we hadnt offered. Now cade is decommited & visiting numerous spots. Kid is the truth. Just hope it doesnt cost us. We can only sign what we can. I just dont want him around to beat us if we cant get him. Half the problem is also hes very close with brad johnson & his family as well. In the background that would suck cause of max but as things stand im pretty sure max wont be coming here anyways.

 

[Brooklyndee]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Dee the thing I thought about Perry was IF he’s the goods everyone including the staff thinks he is then he’s gonna be 3 and out anyways so what was the sense in saving that one year with a shirt.
Now there was a rumor he was having trouble with the playbook.Obviously you are a lot closer to the situation than I am to know how true this was.
This schedule set up perfectly for us this year.The one thing that hurt was not having the bye week to heal but that was what it was.But having the schedule we had and only squeaking by every week set us up to play Perry but once it got past half season I think we all knew it was sink or swim with Rosier that they wouldn’t burn his shirt.
I think everyone including me got caught up in the undefeated number and that Rosier was pulling out these wins every week.I don’t think we took into account that he was the main reason we were in the position to start with.Ill admit I was one of the guys that figured there was no way Richt was going to pull the job from a kid next year who had just led us to a 10-11-12 game win season.
Well it should be obvious to EVERYONE including a Richt that Rosier is not the guy next year.Hopefully Perry or Weldon is ready and if this is an open competition that maybe Williams wins despite what you just alluded to about people having doubts about him.
But the long and short of this is Rosier,thank you for what you did this year,but he CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be the QB next year if we plan on progressing any further as a program.

Its not a rumor. Nkosi didnt grasp the play book until basically the va tech game. I understand why he did it rational wise. My problem is richt has been subtly telling yall all along rosier is holding is back. When hes been talking about consistency & execution hes been talking speciffically about rosier. People just enjoy there moment of bliss(im not even gonna finish the saying),so simce he knows that & he knows hes basically playing 8 plays over & over with different alignments than how does it harm us that nkosi doesnt know the playbook? As great as this season was we seriously over achieved. We did so **** near soley on the backs of our defense. Thats the people who deserve this credit.im glad to have had the season we did but was it worth it to have that season if we didnt really make progress towards next season at a key position.

Agree with you Dee.My Question is still about not burning the RS.we had a schedule where he could have played ,especially if we are only running 8 plays,maybe even shown enough to put MR on the bench and by the VT and ND been veteran enough or know the PB enough to start outright.
Your correct Richt has been alluding to Rosier being the problem all year.Knowing Sheriffs isn’t the answer why not get Perry ready so when you get to the end of our season knowing you’ve got a QB that at least gives you a chance knowing your starter doesn’t.I don’t think he wanted to face the uproar of changing out an undefeated QB but if he had been showing perry through the season he would be showing the people that would be the uproar that Perry was the way to go minimizing the ing.I just think this goes to Riches ego and him thinking he could fix Malik by then.Obviously he couldn’t.
Getting back to my confusion on not burning the RS.Why are you saving a year of PT for a kid that by all accounts from everyone that’s seen him play that he’s a 3 and out guy? Even if it turns out he isn’t 3 and out by that time you have Weldon,Williams and Lord knows what other stud to turn to.
To me this was a Richt Fck up.Your right if not for our defense we lose 4-5 games maybe more.But on the other side with a halfway serviceable QB we beat Pitt at a minimum ,compete and keep the game close last night and probably still get into the playoff with one loss.
I know all we have left is the Bama game but I swear I’d almost be willing to burn it now to be competitive as opposed to going on national TV and not being able to move the ball again and getting smoked.
But the downside of that is putting a new QB in against Bama and end up ruining his confidence going forward.hard choice but something that should have been made 10 games ago...jmo

Preaching to the choir brother... truth hurts. Some people here just arent willing to hear it.

 

[OldhamA]

So if there's some stud QB from Georgia who's available in Cade Fortin, why doesn't Richt know about him? Georgia was his back yard for 14 years after all.

 

[NVA CANE]

Lol at starting Perry this year

 

[Core Values]

we weren't beating FSU or GTech with Perry

 

[CaneOil]

LOL at these guys who were waiting in the wings silent looking for that chance all year to stroke their own egos. Couldn't say anything at 10-0.

You're right though. We definitely would have gone undefeated with N'Kosi. And he would have killed Clemson. Going 10-2 and winning the Coastal (which we haven't done in 14 years) in year two was a total failure.

On top of that, if we have to start a RS Fr QB next year, we're finished because a RS Fr QB has never won a division or a NC ever.

Wasn't Jameis a RS Freshmans when he won both and the Heisman?


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He was being sarcastic. Of course teams have won with RS Fr at QB.

If you’re talking NCs, it’s not many.

Our roster is probably not set up to win a title next year, especially with how Clemson's built. Especially if we lose McIntosh (likely), Norton and maybe even Johnson on the defensive side of the ball. But there are plenty of RS Freshman that have had good seasons. It's college football, at some point you're going to roll out a QB that doesn't have experience.

Of course it's not set up to win a NC next year, we will be a little closer in 19 if we find a QB and hold this class together. Clemson and a few others have been recruiting the best for years now, we just don't catch up over night with the way Golden recruited. People here are just not being realistic. We are a few years away!

 

[NVA CANE]

we weren't beating FSU or GTech with Perry

They can look at fsu as an example of starting a true freshman that’s not ready. There was no wasted opportunity because we never had a chance to play Perry in garbage time and he **** sure wasn’t ready for live action.

The hot takes when we lose are laughable. We won 10 games and people are saying we missed an opportunity to start a different qb because our opponents which we barely beat were garbage. Some people are dumb as ****

 

[NVA CANE]

Much more tempered post than I expected from Brooklyndee. He was right about Rosier though. There no defending how bad he is anymore.

Who in their right mind thought he was good. He got us ten wins and the coastal, but if you blinded yourself to his true ability and actually thought this kid would be starting next year well that’s your fault. OP was stating the obvious, you guys give him too much credit

 

[Brooklyndee]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Unnecessarily aggressive there at the end, but ok.

Fair argument about how the QB spot was handled, but you have to make some big assumptions to think Perry would have done better. As for "golden boy", nobody deserves that until the season is over and we see what they've done (Rosier looked amazing at 10-0, but at 10-3 he wouldn't look so hot. Not that he ever looked like an amazing QB, just that he looked like a winner). I don't buy the idea that this or that guy would have been better or will be better. The truth is that you don't know until they play. You would have said that Rosier could beat Pitt based on what he did in the second half against fsu. Say what you want, but fsu has a much better D than Pitt. Same goes for Perry. He looks the goods, but until he does it on the field we don't know for sure.

Bottom line, I'm happy enough with this season to not question the QB call.

Thats where your misunderstanding me brother. Im not at all saying he wouldve done better or couldve even had the same season or anything relating to that. My sole point is we know rosiers cieling. We knew it coming into the year. Im not gonna argue about how he looked at 10-0 or any other time. To me all i wanted was to see if we have our qb for our future or not because we know rosier isnt that. In my eyes we wouldve had basically the same season as a bottom line no matter who was at the position because of the quality of teams we played. Feel free to look back. I said before we had any clue who the qb would be that i thought we go 10-2 at worst. Id agree on no need for aggression either but on here that seems the norm. If people dont agree they simply attack u.

I'm certainly not going to attack you but I disagree with what you're saying. Would have lost 3+ games without the last two. We had no chance against Clemson regardless. We had key injuries, we don't have depth or even 85 scholarship players. We just didn't have the horses to beat them in this game, not even close.

Hopefully we can hold on to this class, Rosier had a big part of that whether you want to agree with that or not, he did the best he could and I thank him for giving us hope again. Unless you have an absolute great freshman QB they lose games, it is what it is. I've been betting against them for 30 years. Nobody likes ending a season like this but we just don't have the horses yet it's easy to see, this game was over in the first quarter even the D couldn't hold up.

Nothing at all wrong with having a different opinion brother. Neither of ours are more valid than the other which is why its just opinions. I agree with most you said & consider it all valid points. In my eyes obviously our depth was vital but so is aqb who can get the ball in our playmakers hands. Just look at the two times we tried going deep as a prime example. Second play of the game for us. 2nd & 6 Jeff Thomas was streaking down the middle of the field with atleast 15 yards of seperation between him and the closest defender & the whole field ahead to himself. The one thing your qb is taught is to put the ball up to the middle part of the field and let the reciever run it down. What did rosier do? He put it in the one spot we couldnt afford. Short & back to the boundary. Instead of a touchdown or even a momentum pushing big completion he let the db back in the play to where he almost madd the pick. Incompletion end result. The flea flicker to a wide open berrios over the middle... he drastically overthrows him. That game never gets out of hand if we just do the basics. But thats just my opinion.

 

[AUcane]

Much more tempered post than I expected from Brooklyndee. He was right about Rosier though. There no defending how bad he is anymore.

Who in their right mind thought he was good. He got us ten wins and the coastal, but if you blinded yourself to his true ability and actually thought this kid would be starting next year well that’s your fault. OP was stating the obvious, you guys give him too much credit

Agree. Most of us knew we were winning with house money bc we knew rosier had shortcomings but hey, we were winning so what are you going to do - continue to complain/criticize or just support the team?

 

[Brooklyndee]

So if there's some stud QB from Georgia who's available in Cade Fortin, why doesn't Richt know about him? Georgia was his back yard for 14 years after all.

He does. Communication is there. Well see what happens is all. Lil richt face timed him last week.

 

[simplycanes]

Hindsight is not always just 20/20, it's also convenient.

It's also easy to shape stories after the fact. Brooklyn, I know who you are and I respect what you bring, but there is a huge difference between wanting to start Allison IF his skin thickens and wanting to start Allison. I know for a fact your representation of that situation is very skewed. Sorry brother, but it's just not the whole, correct story.

As for the rest, we weren't in a position to worry about next season, we needed some cotdam wins THIS season. After decades of NOTHING but LLLLLLLLsssss... We got 10, maybe 11 of them. That was the goal. Get the players and recruits to buy-in NOW. That's more valuable and forward thinking than just who's QB.

Richt did an awesome job, but we ran out of bullets. We have a month to get some back.

 

[D-anon]

I think not playing Kosi will benefit us long term. Rosier is a bad QB, we've known that all season. Richt understands that the offense is limited by his lack of talent. You upgrade the position the offense becomes formidable. We are closer than that score last night indicates.

Richt can win with Kosi next year

 

[CaneCounty]

LOL at putting Perry behind that line -- we've made progress this year with Malik as the starts and Perry on the sideline.

 

[John77]

Anyone who watched the games this season with a critical eye could see that Rosier was seriously limited. Do I second guess the decision to start him over Perry? No.

I don't know enough about the inner workings of practice and the football team to really know if Perry was really ready or not. I have to go by what the coaches do and say, they chose Rosier over Perry, that indicates that to me that Rosier was better at that particular time.

Am I mad about a season where we are 10-2 and going to the Orange Bowl? Absolutely not. Could it have ended better? Of course, but after a decade of irrelevance I will not complain about a season like this.

As for starting Perry to get him ready for next year, I am not a fan of that type of stuff. I want to win in the here and now and I want the coaches to play the best player so that we can do that. We can worry about next year when it's next year. That's just my opinion.

 

[canesbaby]

So if there's some stud QB from Georgia who's available in Cade Fortin, why doesn't Richt know about him? Georgia was his back yard for 14 years after all.

He does. Communication is there. Well see what happens is all. Lil richt face timed him last week.

So would Fortin be a guy who could replace Williams in this class or would they take both Fortin and Williams in this class?

 

[OldhamA]

So if there's some stud QB from Georgia who's available in Cade Fortin, why doesn't Richt know about him? Georgia was his back yard for 14 years after all.

He does. Communication is there. Well see what happens is all. Lil richt face timed him last week.

Fingers crossed then because we absolutely need to stack chips at QB.

 

[orange&green84]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Unnecessarily aggressive there at the end, but ok.

Fair argument about how the QB spot was handled, but you have to make some big assumptions to think Perry would have done better. As for "golden boy", nobody deserves that until the season is over and we see what they've done (Rosier looked amazing at 10-0, but at 10-3 he wouldn't look so hot. Not that he ever looked like an amazing QB, just that he looked like a winner). I don't buy the idea that this or that guy would have been better or will be better. The truth is that you don't know until they play. You would have said that Rosier could beat Pitt based on what he did in the second half against fsu. Say what you want, but fsu has a much better D than Pitt. Same goes for Perry. He looks the goods, but until he does it on the field we don't know for sure.

Bottom line, I'm happy enough with this season to not question the QB call.

Thats where your misunderstanding me brother. Im not at all saying he wouldve done better or couldve even had the same season or anything relating to that. My sole point is we know rosiers cieling. We knew it coming into the year. Im not gonna argue about how he looked at 10-0 or any other time. To me all i wanted was to see if we have our qb for our future or not because we know rosier isnt that. In my eyes we wouldve had basically the same season as a bottom line no matter who was at the position because of the quality of teams we played. Feel free to look back. I said before we had any clue who the qb would be that i thought we go 10-2 at worst. Id agree on no need for aggression either but on here that seems the norm. If people dont agree they simply attack u.

I'm certainly not going to attack you but I disagree with what you're saying. Would have lost 3+ games without the last two. We had no chance against Clemson regardless. We had key injuries, we don't have depth or even 85 scholarship players. We just didn't have the horses to beat them in this game, not even close.

Hopefully we can hold on to this class, Rosier had a big part of that whether you want to agree with that or not, he did the best he could and I thank him for giving us hope again. Unless you have an absolute great freshman QB they lose games, it is what it is. I've been betting against them for 30 years. Nobody likes ending a season like this but we just don't have the horses yet it's easy to see, this game was over in the first quarter even the D couldn't hold up.

Nothing at all wrong with having a different opinion brother. Neither of ours are more valid than the other which is why its just opinions. I agree with most you said & consider it all valid points. In my eyes obviously our depth was vital but so is aqb who can get the ball in our playmakers hands. Just look at the two times we tried going deep as a prime example. Second play of the game for us. 2nd & 6 Jeff Thomas was streaking down the middle of the field with atleast 15 yards of seperation between him and the closest defender & the whole field ahead to himself. The one thing your qb is taught is to put the ball up to the middle part of the field and let the reciever run it down. What did rosier do? He put it in the one spot we couldnt afford. Short & back to the boundary. Instead of a touchdown or even a momentum pushing big completion he let the db back in the play to where he almost madd the pick. Incompletion end result. The flea flicker to a wide open berrios over the middle... he drastically overthrows him. That game never gets out of hand if we just do the basics. But thats just my opinion.

That's the most frustrating thing with Rosier, his inaccuracy and inability be consistent on the long ball. I still think we would've lost the game last night - Clemson's just the better team. But if he hits those throws, we may be looking at a 28-17 defeat as opposed to a 38-3 beat down.

 

[Cajuncane]

I don’t want to speak for Dee but I don’t think he nor did I mean to start Perry from Game one.What I was talking about was weening him in a little at a time to get him game time,to let him play at game speed to see if he was indeed ready.
You bring him along against all the lesser opponents we were playing getting him to a point where you could compare his skills to Rosiers in a game setting.

THEN by the time you got to the back end of our schedule you’d know if we got to a situation like we’ve been in the last few weeks there’d be an option.Right now we have no one other than Sheriffs and he’s HORRIBLE.Do any of you not think that Perry is good enough that he could have beat Pitt? If you don’t then he’s not the answer either cause anyone that could throw a ball accurately could have won that game for us.

IF Perry is as good as most seem to think he’s 3 and out anyways so what benefit is there of RS him?If he’s not then by that time there’s a lot of other options to turn to in Weldon,Williams or another stud or two. You just wasted a year of his development.A year not necessarily starting but getting meaningful game playing time to at least SEE and make an educated assessment of his talents going forward.What was there to lose?

Guys were yelling to put in the backup last night.We DONT HAVE A BACKUP.At least one that might give you a spark or get you back in the game.
This is where a Perry,who would have had 10-11 games of game time could possibly have made a difference.Maybe maybe not.But because he got none we still don’t know and we will go into the LSU game next year still not knowing,unless Rosier is starting.

That’s what I meant and I THINK Dee meant but again I’m only clarifying what I meant and not speaking for him.Thats whi I think Richt made an error in judgement regarding Perry’s RS But it’s just MY opinion which means very little in the grand scheme of things.

 

[RVACane]

Who isn't sold on Jarren Williams?

Kid looks like a great prospect and I haven't heard a negative review about him. If Perry is really as good as you say playing this year shouldn't affect next year.

Plenty of RS Freshman have balled out without playing their first year.

Weird post dude. You managed to **** on all of our QB options next year except Weldon. Maybe worry about WR instead. Outside of Pope we don't have any instant impact recruits coming in. Need another WR who can play as a freshman

One is im not ****ting on any of our qb options. I just wouldve liked to get nkosi some game action. Simple. Far as who isnt sold on williams im not gonna get into that. I know alot of people in his area. As we all know im good with cade fortin & his family. I know alot of people out that way. Cade told dumbo **** off. Hes not going to a & m. The pecking order for the top 3 is interchangable sortve. Its trevor lawrence at one than either emory jones or cade at 2 or 3. Jarren does play 7a but hes playing outside of district alot. He really only played 2 tough teams this year one being Norcross & if i remember right the other was don brosco. Against norcross he played horrible & they got blown out 31-7 bosco they won by 3 in ot i believe. With him what people question most is his heart or his will to win. Just like matt corral. Want another example. How many times did the tv show rosier tonight? Dude flat out looked like he checked out first quarter. I want a leader at qb first & foremost. The comment about wr im not even gonna get into. Were all intitled to opinions. Personally ill take my nephew over pope all day & i love him too. Im not at all worried about wr next year. Im worried about qb play & consistency out of the oline. Thats it on the whole team. Maybe a punter who can kick the ball too.

So why didn't we go after Cade? Staff doesn't agree with your assessment?

Were talking to cade now but cade is a very loyal quiet humble kid. He loves kevin sumlin & staff. Hes been committed to a & m and has told us all along if sumlins sticks so does he. As a result we hadnt offered. Now cade is decommited & visiting numerous spots. Kid is the truth. Just hope it doesnt cost us. We can only sign what we can. I just dont want him around to beat us if we cant get him. Half the problem is also hes very close with brad johnson & his family as well. In the background that would suck cause of max but as things stand im pretty sure max wont be coming here anyways.

Wow, Max Johnson isn't going to play for his Uncle? What's that about, F$U?