The defense is broken right now

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***NEWSFLASH***

I know, I know. Big shocker.

I'm trying to cut back on football because this **** is killing me, but I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in on the defense.


For me, the Florida State game is a clear line of demarcation. We can nitpick calls and formations and things like that, but the defense didn't look inept in that game, or any game before that. They may have struggled in spots, but they never looked totally clueless and FCS-caliber.

The biggest difference I noticed from the Virginia Tech and Duke games and the previous games was the run defense. Prior to those games, our run defense had been pretty solid. Far from elite, but not a sieve like last year. We were getting TFLs, holding teams to minimal gains, and limiting explosive plays. Virginia Tech averages 117 ypg rushing (111th in the nation), but against us they put up 183. Duke DOUBLED their rushing output against us.

Poor run defense compromises all three levels of the defense. If a team can hand off and get 6 yards a pop, you're toast. We're seeing more and more mental errors and defensive breakdowns, more missed tackles, etc... These were not pandemic issues throughout the season.

So what happened? Why is our defense mentally and emotionally fried? That's the million-dollar question. Did the defense quit on Golden and/or D'Onofrio (and the position coaches)? Maybe. It's hard to refute it. That would be the most troubling. Did they go in the tank emotionally after being 7-0 and losing to FSU? Are they fatigued? Are they injured?

Don't know.

Listening to Golden's UVA presser where he was FINALLY asked some specific questions about his scheme and defensive philosophy (for all of the Canes reporters scavenging the boards for ****, PLEASE ask more detailed questions like that), I don't THINK we're going to see wholesale changes on defense. I thought it was interesting that he was so emphatic about never mentioning or fostering a "read and react" defense. I really think he believes in what he's teaching, so I don't expect anyone getting scapegoated.

I've said many times that I don't care what kind of scheme or philosophy we have so long as we stop the run, and get off the field on third down. We're not doing that AT ALL right now.

I really think Golden's currency with Shalala and the BOT is going to be tested, because I think Golden is going to forge ahead with this defense, and there's no overnight fix for the mess we're in. Golden said he wants to be a 3-4 base that can move in and out of odd fronts. We're going to be better next year, but still not where we want to be. This 2014 class is the first one that's bringing in plus talent on the D-line, but they have to develop.

I want this **** corrected ASAP, but I don't think it will be, and that's a big reason why I'm trying to take a step back. We may not see a significant jump on defense until 2015. That's unacceptable for the fans on the boards, but is it unacceptable for the people who actually have the power to do anything, especially if the offense is explosive and winning games? That's what we'll find out.

Batten down the hatches. There's a storm coming.
 
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Like Wildcat said, if we ran a more aggressive, penetrating defnse it wouldn't take 4 ******* years to get players in place to run this **** and make an impact.

**** waiting.
 
The defense was pretty inept in the FSU game though. They started off playing well, but the same issues that have popped up for 3 years started showing themselves again. We couldn't touch the QB and kept getting killed on 3rd down.

The rushing output you see is because the defense quit.
 
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Al Golden better prepare his ****.

All that goodwill that Golden built up will have evaporated by the end of 2014. Right now he is running ****. But when his 2014 team fails to win more than 9 games, you better believe changes will be made (not saying Golden will be fired).

Blake James is biding his time. Come this time next year the pendulum on Golden will have swung the other way.
 
If Winston doesn't throw those 2 picks, they score in te 50s, and those 2 picks were more unforced errors than our guys making great plays, but whatever. The defense was broke before the FSU game, we were just winning and playing worse competition.
 
CAA, seems you have been able to regroup and come up with something else. Good on you.

Doubt many people will buy it to wait when we have been waiting for years now, even if we werent able to sign the 5*, I was told these guys could find and develop talent. Anybody could look at roster and see the holes forming in roster if they paid attention. Now its being said they need elite guys and they get them this year and then we have to wait again for them to develop. Sounds like someone wants to just collect checks with no accountability.

Losing to duke will have even the few who show up to sunlife abandoning ship, I dont care how much shalala believes in golden now, once the fans and everything that was built up this season goes down she will have to ask some tough questions. I dont see any built in reason why a guy like Donofrio gets the benefit of the doubt besides he is cool with Golden, no coach should be able to survive last years defense nevertheless TWO TO THREE more years of that crap! Peopel can be patient and everyone knows Golden is a great talker and will have any and everyone nodding their head in agreement to what he says. Its bull, either produce or get out. No reason for us to take 5 years to have a decent defense. No reason for us to give up 350+ to duke on the ground.
 
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If Winston doesn't throw those 2 picks, they score in te 50s, and those 2 picks were more unforced errors than our guys making great plays, but whatever. The defense was broke before the FSU game, we were just winning and playing worse competition.

You can't just do this...if we don't Fl_lCKING fumble the ball twice against VT.....
 
I really think Golden's currency with Shalala and the BOT is going to be tested, because I think Golden is going to forge ahead with this defense, and there's no overnight fix for the mess we're in. Golden said he wants to be a 3-4 base that can move in and out of odd fronts. We're going to be better next year, but still not where we want to be. This 2014 class is the first one that's bringing in plus talent on the D-line, but they have to develop.

Regardless of the overnight fix or the mess itself, I truly believe Golden is going to keep things going with this defense (same DC too) no matter what happens.

I will hope for the best, but I think we need to make serious changes.
 
When a teams goes from beig able to stop the run, play physical, and tackle, to being blown off the ball completely, it means they are gassed.

Why it would shock anyone that come November we are gassed is beyond me; it's happened for TEN ******* YEARS.
 
When a teams goes from beig able to stop the run, play physical, and tackle, to being blown off the ball completely, it means they are gassed.

Why it would shock anyone that come November we are gassed is beyond me; it's happened for TEN ****ING YEARS.

Everyone here can argue about schemes, I just want to know where the physical football went. Did the players Quit? Did the players get weak or breakdown?

I expected physical football and I am getting retards humping a doorknob.
 
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The 3-4 defense works. **** all defenses work if you call the right plays. The problem isn't the fact we are running a 3-4, 4-3, multiple front, etc... The problem is we play too **** soft off the line, get controlled in the trenches, can't pressure the QB, lately can't stop the run, and can't stop anyone on third down... I'm no rocket scientist here, but that **** stinks to high **** and a change needs to be made. It's on coach D!!!
 
Like Wildcat said, if we ran a more aggressive, penetrating defnse it wouldn't take 4 ****ing years to get players in place to run this **** and make an impact.

**** waiting.

Not only that... but when you're disruptive you can cover up mistakes in the back 7.

In this defense you really can't. That's a HUGE flaw of this defense.
 
The 3-4 defense works. **** all defenses work if you call the right plays. The problem isn't the fact we are running a 3-4, 4-3, multiple front, etc... The problem is we play too **** soft off the line, get controlled in the trenches, can't pressure the QB, lately can't stop the run, and can't stop anyone on third down... I'm no rocket scientist here, but that **** stinks to high **** and a change needs to be made. It's on coach D!!!

Also if you watch any good coach run their 3-4 scheme... on 3rd and 7+ they bring 5 or 6 guys and disguise it.
3rd and longs are a 3-4's best friend.

We.. drop 7 or 8 into coverage on 3rd and long. The exact OPPOSITE of being aggressive (which Golden said in his opening presser 3 years ago that we would be)
 
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***NEWSFLASH***

I know, I know. Big shocker.

I'm trying to cut back on football because this **** is killing me, but I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in on the defense.


For me, the Florida State game is a clear line of demarcation. We can nitpick calls and formations and things like that, but the defense didn't look inept in that game, or any game before that. They may have struggled in spots, but they never looked totally clueless and FCS-caliber.

The biggest difference I noticed from the Virginia Tech and Duke games and the previous games was the run defense. Prior to those games, our run defense had been pretty solid. Far from elite, but not a sieve like last year. We were getting TFLs, holding teams to minimal gains, and limiting explosive plays. Virginia Tech averages 117 ypg rushing (111th in the nation), but against us they put up 183. Duke DOUBLED their rushing output against us.

Poor run defense compromises all three levels of the defense. If a team can hand off and get 6 yards a pop, you're toast. We're seeing more and more mental errors and defensive breakdowns, more missed tackles, etc... These were not pandemic issues throughout the season.

So what happened? Why is our defense mentally and emotionally fried? That's the million-dollar question. Did the defense quit on Golden and/or D'Onofrio (and the position coaches)? Maybe. It's hard to refute it. That would be the most troubling. Did they go in the tank emotionally after being 7-0 and losing to FSU? Are they fatigued? Are they injured?

Don't know.

Listening to Golden's UVA presser where he was FINALLY asked some specific questions about his scheme and defensive philosophy (for all of the Canes reporters scavenging the boards for ****, PLEASE ask more detailed questions like that), I don't THINK we're going to see wholesale changes on defense. I thought it was interesting that he was so emphatic about never mentioning or fostering a "read and react" defense. I really think he believes in what he's teaching, so I don't expect anyone getting scapegoated.

I've said many times that I don't care what kind of scheme or philosophy we have so long as we stop the run, and get off the field on third down. We're not doing that AT ALL right now.

I really think Golden's currency with Shalala and the BOT is going to be tested, because I think Golden is going to forge ahead with this defense, and there's no overnight fix for the mess we're in. Golden said he wants to be a 3-4 base that can move in and out of odd fronts. We're going to be better next year, but still not where we want to be. This 2014 class is the first one that's bringing in plus talent on the D-line, but they have to develop.

I want this **** corrected ASAP, but I don't think it will be, and that's a big reason why I'm trying to take a step back. We may not see a significant jump on defense until 2015. That's unacceptable for the fans on the boards, but is it unacceptable for the people who actually have the power to do anything, especially if the offense is explosive and winning games? That's what we'll find out.

Batten down the hatches. There's a storm coming.

I am of the belief the answer to your question is highly attributed to not being able to get off the field on third downs all year. We really couldn't get off the field on third downs against the gator. How many third and 2 did they faced and convert? This defense is working playing with dead legs.
 
If Winston doesn't throw those 2 picks, they score in te 50s, and those 2 picks were more unforced errors than our guys making great plays, but whatever. The defense was broke before the FSU game, we were just winning and playing worse competition.

You can't just do this...if we don't Fl_lCKING fumble the ball twice against VT.....

I can do whatever I want, you should know this by now....

Seriously though, my point was, and still is, the defense didn't play well against FSU, and we were lucky it was only 41-14.
 
When a teams goes from beig able to stop the run, play physical, and tackle, to being blown off the ball completely, it means they are gassed.

Why it would shock anyone that come November we are gassed is beyond me; it's happened for TEN ****ING YEARS.

Everyone here can argue about schemes, I just want to know where the physical football went. Did the players Quit? Did the players get weak or breakdown?

I expected physical football and I am getting retards humping a doorknob.

We are ranked 123 out of 125 teams in time of possession. The players on defense have been run into the ground. They're physically spent. This is why, Mark Donofrio, yards do matter.
 
When a teams goes from beig able to stop the run, play physical, and tackle, to being blown off the ball completely, it means they are gassed.

Why it would shock anyone that come November we are gassed is beyond me; it's happened for TEN ****ING YEARS.

Everyone here can argue about schemes, I just want to know where the physical football went. Did the players Quit? Did the players get weak or breakdown?

I expected physical football and I am getting retards humping a doorknob.

We are ranked 123 out of 125 teams in time of possession. The players on defense have been run into the ground. They're physically spent. This is why, Mark Donofrio, yards do matter.
Not only do yards not matter per Dorito, he thinks knocking the ball down equals a sack. He thinks records don't matter. He thinks playing soft defense gives miami the best chance to win. I've never seen 2 football coaches be so pussified in their football philosophies. And of all places that they brought that bull**** was to Miami? GTFO
 
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