Sorry guys another DT thread

[motorcitycane]

I just watched the spring game again and noticed some funny business at DT.

Before I get started does anyone know what scheme coach D has the lineman running?
I saw some good and bad like everyone else on the board.
I don't think the DT position isn't physical enough. They are just slow off the ball.

It seems like when the ball is snapped they aren't quick enough. The ball is in the QB or RB's hand before our DT's even move.
I hear the read and react but we react so slow. The OL had 1-2 whole seconds before the DT even made physical contact with them.
On plays where the DT's reacted quicker they beat the OL go figure. Also guys seemed to start off low in the stance, the ball snaps, they get high, look around, and finally make contact.

For the coaches that post on the board what style is that?
I thought read and react was played a little different.

I call out some plays where if you go watch the replay you'll see what I'm talking about.
First is the 3rd play of the game. The DT at the top of the screen barely touched the OL by the time Morris threw the long ball to Herb Waters.
2. The very next play same thing different player.
3. The touchdown throw from Morris was the same thing.
4. The big perryman hit was cool. LB did his job. But the DT #91 looked lost.

I could also name a ton of plays we did well on.
But i just want to know what type of DL scheme is that?

 

[TheStorm305]

Do yourself a favor and stop breaking down spring game footage lol. Can't look too much into either side of the ball.

Everything was vanilla, and we were running mostly our base D.

 

[DeadPoets]

Do yourself a favor and stop breaking down spring game footage lol. Can't look too much into either side of the ball.

Everything was vanilla, and we were running mostly our base D.

Vanilla defense doesn't explain or defend what the OP is observing and questioning.

 

[Travis Bickle]

Do yourself a favor and stop breaking down spring game footage lol. Can't look too much into either side of the ball.

Everything was vanilla, and we were running mostly our base D.

His question doesn't concern overarching schemes or gameplans. It's an honest question with regards to a specific scheme/technique involving the DL.

 

[bbcane]

There is numerous threads with what technique is being taught. Video included!!!

 

[bbcane]

The original Okie 3-4, being derived from the 5-2, is what we call a "two-gap" system. The two-gap gained in popularity until the late 1980s, when the 4-3 Over defense stole the thunder away from it (thanks to the Miami Hurricanes and the Dallas Cowboys). It is a system where the defensive linemen, and usually at least two of the linebackers, have the responsibility to control two gaps on the line of scrimmage. The DL play what is called "read technique" and line up directly across from an offensive lineman, not slanted to one side as they are in other fronts like the 4-3. Linemen who play read techniques wait to read the block of the offensive lineman across from them to better determine the playcall from the offense and the direction the ball is going to go. They tend to be bulkier and heavier players, because they are taking on their offensive counterpart head-on during every play. They want to keep those linemen tied up on the line of scrimmage and allow the linebackers to make the plays. Read techniques are not hard to teach per se, so much as they are hard to rep. Its like zone blocking, in principle its easy, but to execute it well takes a lot of reps.

 

[motorcitycane]

The original Okie 3-4, being derived from the 5-2, is what we call a "two-gap" system. The two-gap gained in popularity until the late 1980s, when the 4-3 Over defense stole the thunder away from it (thanks to the Miami Hurricanes and the Dallas Cowboys). It is a system where the defensive linemen, and usually at least two of the linebackers, have the responsibility to control two gaps on the line of scrimmage. The DL play what is called "read technique" and line up directly across from an offensive lineman, not slanted to one side as they are in other fronts like the 4-3. Linemen who play read techniques wait to read the block of the offensive lineman across from them to better determine the playcall from the offense and the direction the ball is going to go. They tend to be bulkier and heavier players, because they are taking on their offensive counterpart head-on during every play. They want to keep those linemen tied up on the line of scrimmage and allow the linebackers to make the plays. Read techniques are not hard to teach per se, so much as they are hard to rep. Its like zone blocking, in principle its easy, but to execute it well takes a lot of reps.

Thanks bb. That's what I was looking for.
Now i understand why they do what they do. I thought it was a lack of speed getting off the ball, now i understand we are coached that way

 

[WhoDat]

Just a hunch, but maybe the coaches told them DT's to go easy out there? Im sure they go harder in smaller man practice drills then this full out spring game.

 

[cane since birth]

to be honest from what i have seen Dorito is that he runs everything, mainly 2 gap, but he runs everything, he tries to throw different things at the offense, it works IF you can put pressure on the quarterback, he shows different looks

 

[BTerrinoni]

I thought the best DT at sunlife was Corry King he played great and was all over the feild and getting pressure.

 

[Bigtip]

I thought the best DT at sunlife was Corry King he played great and was all over the feild and getting pressure.

what up Corey. whats poppin?

 

[BigDikCane]

How did corey get a scholly?

 

[moshated305]

It almost seemed like the DL was told not to rush heavy. QBs were off limits and I thought Morris should have been blown dead a couple of times but they let it play on. I don't think the plan was the let the DL go all out in this game. I will wait until the real games start before I get on the fire so and so wagon. But I will say Jethro has the hottest seat out of any coach on the staff followed by Coach D. Those two need to show something this year.

 

[moshated305]

It almost seemed like the DL was told not to rush heavy. QBs were off limits and I thought Morris should have been blown dead a couple of times but they let it play on. I don't think the plan was the let the DL go all out in this game and I am fine with that. Rather not see Morris or Duke go down just to see a DL make a play in the meaningless game.

I will wait until the real games start before I get on the fire so and so wagon. But I will say Jethro has the hottest seat out of any coach on the staff followed by Coach D. Those two need to show something this year.

 

[DeadPoets]

It almost seemed like the DL was told not to rush heavy. QBs were off limits and I thought Morris should have been blown dead a couple of times but they let it play on. I don't think the plan was the let the DL go all out in this game and I am fine with that. Rather not see Morris or Duke go down just to see a DL make a play in the meaningless game.

I will wait until the real games start before I get on the fire so and so wagon. But I will say Jethro has the hottest seat out of any coach on the staff followed by Coach D. Those two need to show something this year.

Looked like that all last season as well.

 

[frank1886]

Only my Migga Paranos is allowed to start a DT threads.

 

[moshated305]

It almost seemed like the DL was told not to rush heavy. QBs were off limits and I thought Morris should have been blown dead a couple of times but they let it play on. I don't think the plan was the let the DL go all out in this game and I am fine with that. Rather not see Morris or Duke go down just to see a DL make a play in the meaningless game.

I will wait until the real games start before I get on the fire so and so wagon. But I will say Jethro has the hottest seat out of any coach on the staff followed by Coach D. Those two need to show something this year.

Looked like that all last season as well.

Looked much worse at times. I watched Darius Smith get pushed back into the safeties lap. And we all remember the Corey King/Gaines double pancake against FSU. No way our DL plays any worse than last year. Should see some improvement based on experience alone. The question is will we see a big enough leap to at least put us in the top 50 in total defense lol

 

[WhatTheHell]

I had the opposite view. Thought the DTs on orange looked great.

 

[PUNCICANE]

I had the opposite view. Thought the DTs on orange looked great.

+1 the DTs and Chick looked very good!

 

[Dynasty]

The original Okie 3-4, being derived from the 5-2, is what we call a "two-gap" system. The two-gap gained in popularity until the late 1980s, when the 4-3 Over defense stole the thunder away from it (thanks to the Miami Hurricanes and the Dallas Cowboys). It is a system where the defensive linemen, and usually at least two of the linebackers, have the responsibility to control two gaps on the line of scrimmage. The DL play what is called "read technique" and line up directly across from an offensive lineman, not slanted to one side as they are in other fronts like the 4-3. Linemen who play read techniques wait to read the block of the offensive lineman across from them to better determine the playcall from the offense and the direction the ball is going to go. They tend to be bulkier and heavier players, because they are taking on their offensive counterpart head-on during every play. They want to keep those linemen tied up on the line of scrimmage and allow the linebackers to make the plays. Read techniques are not hard to teach per se, so much as they are hard to rep. Its like zone blocking, in principle its easy, but to execute it well takes a lot of reps.

Good post. A few historical notes. The original 43 defense was developed by NY Giants defensive coordinator Tom Landry. He took that system with him to Dallas. Landry's 43 defense is considered to be the first to employ one gap principles. He also is credited with creating the read and react techniques used by the front seven and secondary. The creation of Landry's 43 was mainly put in place to stop the Browns' Jim Brown. What's interesting is that Vince Lombardi was basically the offensive coordinator for the Giants during those years. When Vince became head coach at Green Bay, Landry already had an asnwer to the powerful Packer sweep.

Jimmy Johnson's 43 was predicated on quickness and speed with the down four. No read and react, pure penetration. Johnson's theory for the down four was based on getting off the ball as quickly as possible and reestablish the line of scrimmage. Afterwards, read the play on the run- seek and destroy. It also was as you mentioned based upon one gap principles.

To the original question, it seems to me that coach D still doesn't have proper personnel to implement the 2 gap 34 defense. He's still attempting to merge the 43 and 34. This too can be found in Dallas Cowboy history. Bill Parcells did something similar with Mike Zimmerman's personnel. Parcells merged to the 43 one gap with his own 34 two gap. The results were outstanding early on.