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Last year we were #45 nationally in total defense. What changed since then? We lost the following players:
Sean Spence: #1 Tackler
Jojo Nicolas: #3 Tackler
Micanor Regis: #7 Tackler
Marcus Robinson: # 8 Tackler
Mike Williams:#11 Tackler
Andrew Smith: #12 Tackler
Olivier Vernon: #14 Tackler
Jordan Futch: #15 Tackler
Adewale Ojomo: #17 Tackler
Ramon Buchanon (barely played a down this season due to injury, essentially out): #16 Tackler

Now say what you want about these guys and their talent, but they had gone through 3-4 years of college conditioning and practice. They were accustomed to playing. We lost half (10) of our top 20 tacklers. Our front 7 was decimated. 5 Defensive Lineman from our top 20 in tackles, 6 in the two deep (Forston). 3 Linebackers from the top 20, a safety and a corner. Now lets pause and think. When D'Onofrio had a defense full of senior and junior JAGs at Miami, we had a #45 D. Not perfect, but better than average D. Now, we loose most of our D Line two deep, two starting LB's (another in the 2 deep), #3 Tackling safety and a corner and we're sucking. Now, wouldn't a likely explanation be that the D is young and struggling? Lets examine ND game: They blew us off the line of scrimmage, the Offense was inept and the D essentiallyspent the day sidelined. There was nothing fancy that occured, we just got manhandled physically. How does one gameplan around being manhandled physically? The dlineman were routinely 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. There's going to be some ******* holes if that's the case. The only way to "gameplan" against that is put everyone in the box, but this is not GT. ND can actually pass and would torch us.

Other factors: TOP average for Opponent this year 35:07, last year 30:36. Those five minutes may not seem like much but they represent 1/12 of the total game. And while we can blame this on the D for not getting opponents off the field, we all know the Offense was more committed to chewing the clock last year by riding Miller, while this year the O is much more TD in one huge play or 3 and out team. Defense is more physically exhausting than O, and those extra five minutes cause some serious wear and tear.

I'm not saying D'Onofrio is a genius, he's just stuck with a young, and thus weak team, and an offense that doesn't do him any favors. For all those calling for his head, chill. He has had relative success at Miami, just last season! He should not be fired for this season. His seat should be warm however as he has to prove advancement next season. And all those who say this D should improve from game to game and we haven't seen that: we have. The D improved significantly in pass D, not perfect, but they're showing signs of covering better. Them being manhandled at the line wont change game to game thats an offseason factor.
 
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Chrisarg72 said:
Last year we were #45 nationally in total defense. What changed since then? We lost the following players:
Sean Spence: #1 Tackler
Jojo Nicolas: #3 Tackler
Micanor Regis: #7 Tackler
Marcus Robinson: # 8 Tackler
Mike Williams:#11 Tackler
Andrew Smith: #12 Tackler
Olivier Vernon: #14 Tackler
Jordan Futch: #15 Tackler
Adewale Ojomo: #17 Tackler
Ramon Buchanon (barely played a down this season due to injury, essentially out): #16 Tackler

Now say what you want about these guys and their talent, but they had gone through 3-4 years of college conditioning and practice. They were accustomed to playing. We lost half (10) of our top 20 tacklers. Our front 7 was decimated. 5 Defensive Lineman from our top 20 in tackles, 6 in the two deep (Forston). 3 Linebackers from the top 20, a safety and a corner. Now lets pause and think. When D'Onofrio had a defense full of senior and junior JAGs at Miami, we had a #45 D. Not perfect, but better than average D. Now, we loose most of our D Line two deep, two starting LB's (another in the 2 deep), #3 Tackling safety and a corner and we're sucking. Now, wouldn't a likely explanation be that the D is young and struggling? Lets examine ND game: They blew us off the line of scrimmage, the Offense was inept and the D essentiallyspent the day sidelined. There was nothing fancy that occured, we just got manhandled physically. How does one gameplan around being manhandled physically? The dlineman were routinely 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. There's going to be some ****ing holes if that's the case. The only way to "gameplan" against that is put everyone in the box, but this is not GT. ND can actually pass and would torch us.

Other factors: TOP average for Opponent this year 35:07, last year 30:36. Those five minutes may not seem like much but they represent 1/12 of the total game. And while we can blame this on the D for not getting opponents off the field, we all know the Offense was more committed to chewing the clock last year by riding Miller, while this year the O is much more TD in one huge play or 3 and out team. Defense is more physically exhausting than O, and those extra five minutes cause some serious wear and tear.

I'm not saying D'Onofrio is a genius, he's just stuck with a young, and thus weak team, and an offense that doesn't do him any favors. For all those calling for his head, chill. He has had relative success at Miami, just last season! He should not be fired for this season. His seat should be warm however as he has to prove advancement next season. And all those who say this D should improve from game to game and we haven't seen that: we have. The D improved significantly in pass D, not perfect, but they're showing signs of covering better. Them being manhandled at the line wont change game to game thats an offseason factor.
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Statistically we're the worst defense in college football. Our D sucked last year too by the way.
 
Was that Vernon today who knocked down two passes and spoiled a Bengal 2 minute drive?
 
I knew we were gonna be really bad on defense this year, but even I underestimated the losses on that side of the ball.

Regis and Ojomo would make a huge difference at DT right now.
 
Sugarhillcane said:
Statistically we're the worst defense in college football. Our D sucked last year too by the way.
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Yes I know, I have been watching. For someone who brings up D stats, you completely ignored mine. Last year we were 45th nationally, that's not sucking, that's above average (avg. would be 60). That was with a bunch of JAGs. Read the post, it explains a bunch of other factors that are influencing that. You don't fire a guy with those stats last year and those factors this year. You put him in the hot seat.
 
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CanesAreAble said:
I knew we were gonna be really bad on defense this year, but even I underestimated the losses on that side of the ball.

Regis and Ojomo would make a huge difference at DT right now.
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Exactly, other O lines are throwing us around like rag dolls, but nobody notices that, just the fact that we lose.
 
Here's where I stopped reading:

Now, we loose most of our D Line two deep,
 
Lets be honest Vernon and Ojomo would with out a doubt made us much better at DE, they probably would have started. MRob would give us a 3rd down specialist and Regis while around average would be our best DT. None of those players outside of maybe Vernon are true difference makers but they are enough to the point that with them we would make some stops on defense.
 
We could use a motivated Vernon assuming he is committed to the new regime and new approach...same with Washington, Streeter, and Miller.

Our defense should be better.
 
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Sugarhillcane said:
Chrisarg72 said:
Last year we were #45 nationally in total defense. What changed since then? We lost the following players:
Sean Spence: #1 Tackler
Jojo Nicolas: #3 Tackler
Micanor Regis: #7 Tackler
Marcus Robinson: # 8 Tackler
Mike Williams:#11 Tackler
Andrew Smith: #12 Tackler
Olivier Vernon: #14 Tackler
Jordan Futch: #15 Tackler
Adewale Ojomo: #17 Tackler
Ramon Buchanon (barely played a down this season due to injury, essentially out): #16 Tackler

Now say what you want about these guys and their talent, but they had gone through 3-4 years of college conditioning and practice. They were accustomed to playing. We lost half (10) of our top 20 tacklers. Our front 7 was decimated. 5 Defensive Lineman from our top 20 in tackles, 6 in the two deep (Forston). 3 Linebackers from the top 20, a safety and a corner. Now lets pause and think. When D'Onofrio had a defense full of senior and junior JAGs at Miami, we had a #45 D. Not perfect, but better than average D. Now, we loose most of our D Line two deep, two starting LB's (another in the 2 deep), #3 Tackling safety and a corner and we're sucking. Now, wouldn't a likely explanation be that the D is young and struggling? Lets examine ND game: They blew us off the line of scrimmage, the Offense was inept and the D essentiallyspent the day sidelined. There was nothing fancy that occured, we just got manhandled physically. How does one gameplan around being manhandled physically? The dlineman were routinely 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. There's going to be some ****ing holes if that's the case. The only way to "gameplan" against that is put everyone in the box, but this is not GT. ND can actually pass and would torch us.

Other factors: TOP average for Opponent this year 35:07, last year 30:36. Those five minutes may not seem like much but they represent 1/12 of the total game. And while we can blame this on the D for not getting opponents off the field, we all know the Offense was more committed to chewing the clock last year by riding Miller, while this year the O is much more TD in one huge play or 3 and out team. Defense is more physically exhausting than O, and those extra five minutes cause some serious wear and tear.

I'm not saying D'Onofrio is a genius, he's just stuck with a young, and thus weak team, and an offense that doesn't do him any favors. For all those calling for his head, chill. He has had relative success at Miami, just last season! He should not be fired for this season. His seat should be warm however as he has to prove advancement next season. And all those who say this D should improve from game to game and we haven't seen that: we have. The D improved significantly in pass D, not perfect, but they're showing signs of covering better. Them being manhandled at the line wont change game to game thats an offseason factor.
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Statistically we're the worst defense in college football. Our D sucked last year too by the way.
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Statistically it didn't suck last year, it was average.
 
Chrisarg72 said:
CanesAreAble said:
I knew we were gonna be really bad on defense this year, but even I underestimated the losses on that side of the ball.

Regis and Ojomo would make a huge difference at DT right now.
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Exactly, other O lines are throwing us around like rag dolls, but nobody notices that, just the fact that we lose.
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Yup. Can't control the line of scrimmage, can't stop the run. Can't get a pass rush, can't stop the pass. If you can't win the battles up front, you aren't going to win very often. People are just mad and overlooking this.
 
You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Chrisarg72 again. Brilliant post. I'm not a Donofrio apologist but the dude is in a very bad spot. I'm going to give him a pass this year.
 
Chrisarg72 said:
Sugarhillcane said:
Statistically we're the worst defense in college football. Our D sucked last year too by the way.
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Yes I know, I have been watching. For someone who brings up D stats, you completely ignored mine. Last year we were 45th nationally, that's not sucking, that's above average (avg. would be 60). That was with a bunch of JAGs. Read the post, it explains a bunch of other factors that are influencing that. You don't fire a guy with those stats last year and those factors this year. You put him in the hot seat.
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Our defensive stats from last year are misleading as **** the defense was protected by the offenses incredibly slow pace. That defense brought back 7 players and got worse. Some simple defensive efficiency stats lay out how bad the defense was. Last year we we're ranked 71st in defensive efficiency. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef2011. There's a link for you. Also to show you how good our offense was. When you adjust it for efficiency we were ranked 3rd in the country. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2011

Next time you post numbers don't post numbers that support your argument, and are completely misleading. The defense stunk last year too, and you'd have to be blind not to see that.
 
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Billymayscocainestash said:
Chrisarg72 said:
Sugarhillcane said:
Statistically we're the worst defense in college football. Our D sucked last year too by the way.
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Yes I know, I have been watching. For someone who brings up D stats, you completely ignored mine. Last year we were 45th nationally, that's not sucking, that's above average (avg. would be 60). That was with a bunch of JAGs. Read the post, it explains a bunch of other factors that are influencing that. You don't fire a guy with those stats last year and those factors this year. You put him in the hot seat.
Click to expand...

Our defensive stats from last year are misleading as **** the defense was protected by the offenses incredibly slow pace. That defense brought back 7 players and got worse. Some simple defensive efficiency stats lay out how bad the defense was. Last year we we're ranked 71st in defensive efficiency. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef2011. There's a link for you. Also to show you how good our offense was. When you adjust it for efficiency we were ranked 3rd in the country. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2011

Next time you post numbers don't post numbers that support your argument, and are completely misleading. The defense stunk last year too, and you'd have to be blind not to see that.
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What this really points out is that last years D should have been even better when you consider they had 3 to 4 NFL players on it. How many teams in the nation can say that.
 
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We're lucky to be playing in the ACC or our defensive #s would be in the 200s - regardless of how many d-1 teams there are.
 
Billymayscocainestash said:
Chrisarg72 said:
Sugarhillcane said:
Statistically we're the worst defense in college football. Our D sucked last year too by the way.
Click to expand...

Yes I know, I have been watching. For someone who brings up D stats, you completely ignored mine. Last year we were 45th nationally, that's not sucking, that's above average (avg. would be 60). That was with a bunch of JAGs. Read the post, it explains a bunch of other factors that are influencing that. You don't fire a guy with those stats last year and those factors this year. You put him in the hot seat.
Click to expand...

Our defensive stats from last year are misleading as **** the defense was protected by the offenses incredibly slow pace. That defense brought back 7 players and got worse. Some simple defensive efficiency stats lay out how bad the defense was. Last year we we're ranked 71st in defensive efficiency. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef2011. There's a link for you. Also to show you how good our offense was. When you adjust it for efficiency we were ranked 3rd in the country. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2011

Next time you post numbers don't post numbers that support your argument, and are completely misleading. The defense stunk last year too, and you'd have to be blind not to see that.
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Did you read the whole post? I mentioned how TOP helped last years team and is hurting ours this year. Its feast or famine and we're on D all the time. And even if we were 70th that means average not awful
 
FrancisSaywer said:
You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Chrisarg72 again. Brilliant post. I'm not a Donofrio apologist but the dude is in a very bad spot. I'm going to give him a pass this year.
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Thanks! and I agree with you, D'onofrio is on thin ice and next year has to show some ****, but things he can't control like how weak this line is is hurting his stats this year. If next year we start seeing a more solid line and good zone coverage, it shows that the D is learning and we can ease up, if not firing has a strong case.
 
The is no question that losing Vernon, Ojomo and Forston along with the disappearance of Porter has really impacted the DL. Watching the game in person it is also clear that our defense is not playing aggressively enough to stop the run when everyone in the stadium knows it is coming.

Again, not having the horses on the DL is evident by watching the snap. The offensive line consistently gets push against the DL, there is no penetration or disruption of the play. That appear to me at least to be a talent issue. Combined that with the defensive scheme not helping to "cover up" this issue is why we are such a bad overall defense. I'd rather take our chances that a college qb can complete passes against man coverage than just sitting back and getting gashed play after play on the ground.
 
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