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Most skilled - combination of passing, low turnovers, great at the rim, elite handle, 50/40/90 potential every year, hard to guard as a player, hard to plan for a coach. Offense only

A lot of the the most skilled guys have already been mentioned in this thread Curry, Kobe, Jordan, Nash, price, Sabonis

Kyrie has to be included. I'd include Jokic, KD, Bird, Hakeem in that same category.

Btw saying "outside of shooting" is wild. Shooting is a HUGE part of offensive basketball. You expend less energy by dribbling in short areas and not having to attack the rim at full speed (which requires taking off while running and laying it up over 7 footers). And if he has to attack the rim Steph is also elite at doing just that. He has many elite skills. He can shoot off the catch and off the dribble better than anyone, from further away than anyone....He also has crazy endurance so his shooting ability is amplified by how active off ball he is


yall talking crazy about steph !
 
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aelmiami said:
I’ve never understood this argument. The Heat won 37 games the year after James left. That’s with an old Wade and Bosh dealing with clots playing 50% of games. Cleveland won 19. Two years after trading Kyrie and Love playing 22 games. So obviously those teams are going to worse. By contrast Pippen plays 72 & 79 games the 1.5 MJ is retired. Then if we look at the second year after Grant left the Bulls were a .500 team. MJ comes back they win 13-4 and finish with 47 wins. So this argument makes no sense. If LeBron’s teams weren’t gutted and injury riddled they probably would’ve won 50 games.

MJ averaged more PPG, people act like LeBron flat out dominates in rebounds and assists but he has only 1 more rebounds per game and 1.5 assists per game. Plus Jordan is clearly the better defender. Jordan went for 35 a night and won the Defensive player of the year. James never held that workload on both ends. Say whatever you want about court vision or his explosiveness but Jordan is the more rounded player.
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You have to look at usage. Lebron carried more of a load than Mike. The offense never ran through Mike in the triangle. Later in his career, Lebron all but stopped trying on defense because he needed to save his energy because of this.
 
filmcane said:
True. Same with Bird. If your life depended on you winning one game, you’re taking Bird or MJ PERIOD.
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A friend of mine grew up in French Lick, IN back in the day. He says it was common knowledge up there that Eddie Bird was actually a better & more talented player than his brother, Larry. But ol’ Eddie just couldn’t keep his head on straight.
 
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AUcane said:
No doubt. He is transformational like MJ was and he’s arguably the greatest shooter of all time. He has a great handle but hardly something that stands out among the best handlers in the game.
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I mean… how many people had better handles than Steph? He isn’t Kyrie but he is up there. Even if you name 20, when you combine his shooting it’s hard to question the most skilled part.
 
cookies said:
Most skilled - combination of passing, low turnovers, great at the rim, elite handle, 50/40/90 potential every year, hard to guard as a player, hard to plan for a coach. Offense only

A lot of the the most skilled guys have already been mentioned in this thread Curry, Kobe, Jordan, Nash, price, Sabonis

Kyrie has to be included. I'd include Jokic, KD, Bird, Hakeem in that same category.

Btw saying "outside of shooting" is wild. Shooting is a HUGE part of offensive basketball. You expend less energy by dribbling in short areas and not having to attack the rim at full speed while jumping and laying it up over 7 footers. Which Steph is also elite at doing. He has many elite skills. He can shoot off the catch and off the dribble better than anyone, from further away than anyone....He also has crazy endurance so his shooting ability is amplified by how active off ball he is


yall talking crazy about steph !
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Steph is a legit shooter. My biggest qualm is his game has been amplified by the system and cast in GS. Does he go for an easy 50/40/90 at the same volume I don’t know. I personally think his numbers would falter some but not crater. I’ll always maintain the belief guys like Reggie or Ray Allen would flourish like Curry with the same set of circumstances. Again Curry is top 20 player all time but is he there if Kerr doesn’t come and they trade allay for Love, I don’t know.
 
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aelmiami said:
Steph is a legit shooter. My biggest qualm is his game has been amplified by the system and cast in GS. Does he go for an easy 50/40/90 at the same volume I don’t know. I personally think his numbers would falter some but not crater. I’ll always maintain the belief guys like Reggie or Ray Allen would flourish like Curry with the same set of circumstances. Again Curry is top 20 player all time but is he there if Kerr doesn’t come and they trade allay for Love, I don’t know.
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Sure, but does Mike win 6 without Phil? It doesn’t matter, it’s what happened
 
TooColdToHold said:
Red Grange and Jim Thorpe would dominate in today's NFL. The pussies these days couldn't play ball with just a leather helmet and no facemask!
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Jim Thorpe is one of the greatest athletes in history. He doesn’t get talked about enough. Won two gold medals in decathlon and pentathlon in 1912 games, 2X all American, CFB and NFL hall of famer. Played pro baseball for the giants, too. That’ll go head to head with anyone
 
bobbydigius said:
Lebron the 2OAT. Dude came in with all the expectations of the world and he delivered where most would have been crushed by those expectations. He will finish as the top scorer all time along with 10k boards and dimes, first player to do that. An icon, but in the end that 11 Finals are a *****. Mike is the GOAT, he never faltered like that. Magic, Bird, Kobe etc all had multiple moments and Lebron eclipses all of them but Mike was the one dude that just never faltered in the big moment.
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I’m not talking about Championships or achievements. I’m talking strictly from a basketball perspective. LeBron ***** on everyone when it comes to being the complete package. Not to mention he has one of the highest basketball IQ’s of all time.
 
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CaneThang2020 said:
As far as the OC hire goes....

At this point, I look at it this way.

If a Joe Moorhead offense quarterbacked by Anthony Brown can have Oregon at 10-2 heading into the Pac-12 title game....

Then I'm good with Liam Coen if that's who Mario rides with to get the job done as OC.
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We arent playing pac 12 bum defenses in the acc
 
@bobbydigius you’re a lightning bolt. This thread was sputtering on a Friday night with no announcements - and a little NBA talk - until you came out of banishment, jumped in and took this thread to new page count heights not seen since the day the Assistant S&C Coach was named. You may not be the hero we want (we just want an OC & DC to be named)… but you’re the hero we need.
 
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bobbydigius said:
You have to look at usage. Lebron carried more of a load than Mike. The offense never ran through Mike in the triangle. Later in his career, Lebron all but stopped trying on defense because he needed to save his energy because of this.
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Arguably Jordan’s best statistical year he went for 35 a night and won defensive player of the year. Jordan dropped his usage to win championships. But go look at MJ’s usage in winning time. When they needed him to be a straight dog he dominated. MJ realized his key to success was sacrificing for the team. But again the point is when he had to take over he did.
 
TLOC said:
I’m not talking about Championships or achievements. I’m talking strictly from a basketball perspective. LeBron ***** on everyone when it comes to being the complete package. Not to mention he has one of the highest basketball IQ’s of all time.
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Strictly basketball, folding on the biggest stage counts. He lacked in terms of leadership. Eventually he got there but he never reached the levels of other greats. Also, by the time the leadership was elevated his defense fell off. Lebron is definitely one of the most complete players but he does not **** on everyone else.
 
RVACane said:
@bobbydigius you’re a lightning bolt. This thread was sputtering on a Friday night with no announcements - and a little NBA talk - until you jumped in and took this thread to new page count heights not seen since the day the Assistant S&C Coach was named. You may not be the hero we want (we just want an OC & DC to be named)… but you’re the hero we need.
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I had the “was 9/11 a set up?” post all ready to go just FYI
 
aelmiami said:
Arguably Jordan’s best statistical year he went for 35 a night and won defensive player of the year. Jordan dropped his usage to win championships. But go look at MJ’s usage in winning time. When they needed him to be a straight dog he dominated. MJ realized his key to success was sacrificing for the team. But again the point is when he had to take over he did.
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Phil had to work hard to make him see that. The difference here was that Mike never won that way, Lebron did.
 
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