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So which coordinator is on the hot seat?

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Probably neither one is, but the defense has less talent and has shown slow but steady improvement, while the offense has been putrid for 3 straight losses. The play calling has been awful, they have developed no rhythm, and there is almost no bright spot to point to.
 
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Neither is on the hotseat. Though Fish has seriously declined during the last few games. Dorito is Dorito.
 
This is the problem...

Miami, since Coker took over, has had a revolving door of coordinators. Coker went through three offensive coordinators. Shannon went through two offensive coordinators and three defensive coordinators. Then Golden too over and named two new coordinators. In a decade, that's 10 different coordinators over three head coaches. Programs, especially middling teams just can not continuously overturn coordinators, essentially, as scapegoats, and expect to magically compete. It just don't work like that.

I'm not advocating Fisch or D'Onofrio...and I'm not necessarily telling you to keep coordinators for purely continuity's sake. But, at the same time, constant turnover ain't helping either...obviously.
 
To clarify, I wasnt advocating firing either one. My main point is that all of the anger has been directed at the DC, when it should be the OC who has done a worse job.
 
As much as I hate D'onofrio's defense, you can see that some guys are starting to play faster and have a better understanding of what they're doing. Fisch on the other hand is losing cool points by the bundle every week.
 
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The coordinators have to get better along with players but I totally agree on the revolving door.


Kyle Wright had a different OC every year I think. Ruined him.


Fisch made Jacory better in one offseason. I don't get what's up with Morris but getting a different voice won't help. He has better tools than Jacory. I wish he could find a medium between his cannon and Jacory's noodle arm.
 
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Neither. But, I wouldn't be angry if Fisch decided to "move on" to bigger and better things. He irks me. He did so when we were putting up "big yards and points" and he obviously does so now. His approach, while something widely seen in the NFL, is simply not my brand of offense.
 
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If you are going to have a change at OC, isn't this offseason the one to do it? It would give the qb who is going to take over for Morris a year to learn the offense before steppin in in 14 since you aren't winning a national title next year. Or, if a young guy can unseat him, he gets to grow with that oc from the start.

The issue imo would be say Fisch leaving before a new guy takes overr right before 14 when we should be good and you have a situation where a young qb is starting while learning his 2nd offense. That's fine if its in a transition year like 13.
 
aintnothangbutacane said:
If you are going to have a change at OC, isn't this offseason the one to do it? It would give the qb who is going to take over for Morris a year to learn the offense before steppin in in 14 since you aren't winning a national title next year. Or, if a young guy can unseat him, he gets to grow with that oc from the start.

The issue imo would be say Fisch leaving before a new guy takes overr right before 14 when we should be good and you have a situation where a young qb is starting while learning his 2nd offense. That's fine if its in a transition year like 13.
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It'll only happen when Fisch gets a better job. Until then, he's not going anywhere. The next OC is likely our current WRs coach. He can pretty much keep a similar system with, hopefully, his own twist (a playcalling identity).
 
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Yea I don't see Golden firing him. I'm just looking at if there is a change, regardless of how it happens. This year may be more ideal than a year or 2 from now
 
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I want Jedd to grow into this thing here. Jedd is also calling an offense which is suited for a better QB like D is calling a defense built for a better D.

If you had somebody that could get through a progression and had some touch, this pass happy stuff might work, but as of right now, Stephen ain't capable.
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Jedd's most severe issues are the same issues that plague NFL guys like Scott Linehan and Andy Reid.
 
Why would you fire anybody for the expected?

Offense and defense are different. It takes very little time to figure out what a defense wants to do and what you want to do to it. It took opposing offenses no time and we were left scrambling due to our lack of experience and talent. We've made some strides through familiarity and more experience which is what you'd generally expect. It takes a bit longer to figure out an offense (see Whipple, Mark, 2009). Ours is now figured--teams know that IF they can handle us up front they set their sights on taking away the deep route and we'll flounder. That was the formula for virtually every team that's stymied us--we don't have an answer and I don't see us unearthing one soon. Both the offense and the defense suffer from the same fundamental flaw--a lack of experienced talent. There is no substitute for that and no coaching that will make it a non-factor. While the defense is clawing its way to mediocrity, an offense that had no business scoring 35 a game is coming back to reality. If you expected us to score on State, you're a fool. They have more talent and more experience and thus us scoring 30 is not good coaching--it would require horrific coaching on their part which they don't have.

6-6 teams go 6-6 for a reason. There's no cute way to do it. If Golden expected to go 6-6 this year (in his heart no matter what he says), it's highly unlikely he'll fire anyone for going 6-6. In my mind, none of what we're seeing is particularly unexpected and I figured this would take 3 years.
 
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Pennmed Canefan said:
Why would you fire anybody for the expected?

Offense and defense are different. It takes very little time to figure out what a defense wants to do and what you want to do to it. It took opposing offenses no time and we were left scrambling due to our lack of experience and talent. We've made some strides through familiarity and more experience which is what you'd generally expect. It takes a bit longer to figure out an offense (see Whipple, Mark, 2009). Ours is now figured--teams know that IF they can handle us up front they set their sights on taking away the deep route and we'll flounder. That was the formula for virtually every team that's stymied us--we don't have an answer and I don't see us unearthing one soon. Both the offense and the defense suffer from the same fundamental flaw--a lack of experienced talent. There is no substitute for that and no coaching that will make it a non-factor. While the defense is clawing its way to mediocrity, an offense that had no business scoring 35 a game is coming back to reality. If you expected us to score on State, you're a fool. They have more talent and more experience and thus us scoring 30 is not good coaching--it would require horrific coaching on their part which they don't have.

6-6 teams go 6-6 for a reason. There's no cute way to do it. If Golden expected to go 6-6 this year (in his heart no matter what he says), it's highly unlikely he'll fire anyone for going 6-6. In my mind, none of what we're seeing is particularly unexpected and I figured this would take 3 years.
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This. Many of us have been preaching the absolute glaring lack of experienced talent since before the season, particularly on the def line. But it's true on both sides of the ball. The experienced talent differential between us and legitimate D1 teams is striking. We barely beat some very crappy teams in BC and GA Tech.

The fact that we are still in the driver's seat for the coastal just speaks to the absence of quality in the division.
 
Pennmed Canefan said:
Why would you fire anybody for the expected?

Offense and defense are different. It takes very little time to figure out what a defense wants to do and what you want to do to it. It took opposing offenses no time and we were left scrambling due to our lack of experience and talent. We've made some strides through familiarity and more experience which is what you'd generally expect. It takes a bit longer to figure out an offense (see Whipple, Mark, 2009). Ours is now figured--teams know that IF they can handle us up front they set their sights on taking away the deep route and we'll flounder. That was the formula for virtually every team that's stymied us--we don't have an answer and I don't see us unearthing one soon. Both the offense and the defense suffer from the same fundamental flaw--a lack of experienced talent. There is no substitute for that and no coaching that will make it a non-factor. While the defense is clawing its way to mediocrity, an offense that had no business scoring 35 a game is coming back to reality. If you expected us to score on State, you're a fool. They have more talent and more experience and thus us scoring 30 is not good coaching--it would require horrific coaching on their part which they don't have.

6-6 teams go 6-6 for a reason. There's no cute way to do it. If Golden expected to go 6-6 this year (in his heart no matter what he says), it's highly unlikely he'll fire anyone for going 6-6. In my mind, none of what we're seeing is particularly unexpected and I figured this would take 3 years.
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Good point.

This problem is compounded by the fact we're not patient in the running game.

We've fully committed to airing it out and playing fast, and it's playing into the hands of the defense.
 
CanesAreAble said:
Pennmed Canefan said:
Why would you fire anybody for the expected?

Offense and defense are different. It takes very little time to figure out what a defense wants to do and what you want to do to it. It took opposing offenses no time and we were left scrambling due to our lack of experience and talent. We've made some strides through familiarity and more experience which is what you'd generally expect. It takes a bit longer to figure out an offense (see Whipple, Mark, 2009). Ours is now figured--teams know that IF they can handle us up front they set their sights on taking away the deep route and we'll flounder. That was the formula for virtually every team that's stymied us--we don't have an answer and I don't see us unearthing one soon. Both the offense and the defense suffer from the same fundamental flaw--a lack of experienced talent. There is no substitute for that and no coaching that will make it a non-factor. While the defense is clawing its way to mediocrity, an offense that had no business scoring 35 a game is coming back to reality. If you expected us to score on State, you're a fool. They have more talent and more experience and thus us scoring 30 is not good coaching--it would require horrific coaching on their part which they don't have.

6-6 teams go 6-6 for a reason. There's no cute way to do it. If Golden expected to go 6-6 this year (in his heart no matter what he says), it's highly unlikely he'll fire anyone for going 6-6. In my mind, none of what we're seeing is particularly unexpected and I figured this would take 3 years.
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Good point.

This problem is compounded by the fact we're not patient in the running game.

We've fully committed to airing it out and playing fast, and it's playing into the hands of the defense.
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Do you think we'd be better off if we ran the ball more even if it's pretty ineffective? Teams know we'd like to run it more, but they also know they can stop it.. How angry would we be if we were running it constantly while continuously getting stuffed?
 
DaU83 said:
Do you think we'd be better off if we ran the ball more even if it's pretty ineffective? Teams know we'd like to run it more, but they also know they can stop it.. How angry would we be if we were running it constantly while continuously getting stuffed?
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You can't establish a running game if you don't try. If we don't rip off a 7-yard gain, we abandon the run.

Besides, our passing game isn't much better. We're 82nd in passing efficiency. But the numbers don't look bad because we play fast and put it up a bunch of times.

There was no reason to have so few carries in a close game last night.
 
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