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Posted this in WEZ, but I'll copy here:
There was a case in a HS football game a few years back where, IIRC, a coach was killed after a collision with a referee running down the sideline. The coach's family sued everyone. I know in our officiating chapter (high school) it is one of the biggest points of emphasis in the entire rulebook because of this, along with the player safety rules. I'm sure the NCAA has the same sort of emphasis. Keeping coaches/players/trainers off the sidelines is strongly enforced.
Edited to add correction: the coach was not killed, he suffered severe brain injury. Couldn't find a link, but here's the story copy/pasted:
A Team of Officials Collides With the Courts
Officials doing exactly what officials are supposed to do may yet face the prospect of tort litigation.
By Andrew Cohen
May 27, 2009
An inadvertent collision on a football sideline that led to a coach's brain injury is, five years later, still causing all sorts of headaches for a regional association of officials and the national organization that oversees them.
In 2004, working a football game between Fox Tech and Brackenridge high schools in San Antonio, Texas, Charles Harpole, one of a team of five officials, was running down a 6-foot-wide swath in front of the Brackenridge bench that is supposed to be kept clear for officials trailing a play. Running full speed upfield, Harpole collided with an assistant coach, Terry English, knocking both unconscious. Harpole recovered fully from the incident and has since returned to officiating, while English was left with impaired memory and was forced to retire from teaching and coaching.
Since the accident, the two have become friends, and English reportedly harbors no ill will toward Harpole. However, in 2006, the coach's insurance carrier, Midwest Employers Casualty (from whom English collected worker's compensation benefits), sued Harpole, the team of officials and the Texas Association of Sports Officials (TASO), claiming their negligence caused English's injuries. Midwest argued that the officials failed to enforce a rule that bars coaches from standing in the sideline area where English was injured and that English was not warned to stay out of the officials' box, among other claims. TASO was severed from the original suit, and the officiating crew won a summary judgment in trial court, but Midwest has appealed the verdict to the Fourth Court of Appeals in San Antonio.
An amicus curiae brief filed in April by the National Association of Sports Officials pointed out that Harpole was doing exactly what an official is supposed to be doing. In the event that the trial court's verdict were overturned, NASO added, "nearly all of [NASO's] members do now or will in the future face the prospect of tort litigation concerning any sideline collision, or indeed any collision with a wayward coach, substitute player, athletic trainer, team physician, school employee, security officer, spectator or any other person who may be in close proximity to a sideline at an athletic event."
There was a case in a HS football game a few years back where, IIRC, a coach was killed after a collision with a referee running down the sideline. The coach's family sued everyone. I know in our officiating chapter (high school) it is one of the biggest points of emphasis in the entire rulebook because of this, along with the player safety rules. I'm sure the NCAA has the same sort of emphasis. Keeping coaches/players/trainers off the sidelines is strongly enforced.
Edited to add correction: the coach was not killed, he suffered severe brain injury. Couldn't find a link, but here's the story copy/pasted:
A Team of Officials Collides With the Courts
Officials doing exactly what officials are supposed to do may yet face the prospect of tort litigation.
By Andrew Cohen
May 27, 2009
An inadvertent collision on a football sideline that led to a coach's brain injury is, five years later, still causing all sorts of headaches for a regional association of officials and the national organization that oversees them.
In 2004, working a football game between Fox Tech and Brackenridge high schools in San Antonio, Texas, Charles Harpole, one of a team of five officials, was running down a 6-foot-wide swath in front of the Brackenridge bench that is supposed to be kept clear for officials trailing a play. Running full speed upfield, Harpole collided with an assistant coach, Terry English, knocking both unconscious. Harpole recovered fully from the incident and has since returned to officiating, while English was left with impaired memory and was forced to retire from teaching and coaching.
Since the accident, the two have become friends, and English reportedly harbors no ill will toward Harpole. However, in 2006, the coach's insurance carrier, Midwest Employers Casualty (from whom English collected worker's compensation benefits), sued Harpole, the team of officials and the Texas Association of Sports Officials (TASO), claiming their negligence caused English's injuries. Midwest argued that the officials failed to enforce a rule that bars coaches from standing in the sideline area where English was injured and that English was not warned to stay out of the officials' box, among other claims. TASO was severed from the original suit, and the officiating crew won a summary judgment in trial court, but Midwest has appealed the verdict to the Fourth Court of Appeals in San Antonio.
An amicus curiae brief filed in April by the National Association of Sports Officials pointed out that Harpole was doing exactly what an official is supposed to be doing. In the event that the trial court's verdict were overturned, NASO added, "nearly all of [NASO's] members do now or will in the future face the prospect of tort litigation concerning any sideline collision, or indeed any collision with a wayward coach, substitute player, athletic trainer, team physician, school employee, security officer, spectator or any other person who may be in close proximity to a sideline at an athletic event."
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It was a garbage call, should have been a sideline warning IMO.
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Shouldn't it be called running into the ref?
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Good point.
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Rule: 9-2
During the game, coaches, substitutes and authorized attendants in the
team area shall not be on the field of play or outside the 25-yard lines
without permission from the referee unless legally entering or leaving
the field (Exceptions: Rules 1-2-4-f and 3-3-8-c).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S27].
Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with
other rules. Flagrant offenders, if players or substitutes, shall
be disqualified [S47].
During the game, coaches, substitutes and authorized attendants in the
team area shall not be on the field of play or outside the 25-yard lines
without permission from the referee unless legally entering or leaving
the field (Exceptions: Rules 1-2-4-f and 3-3-8-c).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S27].
Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with
other rules. Flagrant offenders, if players or substitutes, shall
be disqualified [S47].
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SebastianTheIbis
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Well the ref ran into the coach. The coach was just standing there.
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There's a difference between coaches yelling instructions at players between plays and a referee running full blast down the sidelines to chase a play and hitting someone who had wandered onto the playing field. More often than not a ref colliding with a coach/player on the field mid-play is going to get that flag.
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So did FSWho get a penealty and TD called back?????? Where is the video of our flag????? Show us something or STFU with all the explanations of hypotheticals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT **** IS NEVER CALLED ON ANYONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The officiating was straight up abysmal. GT was getting away with chop blocks and holding all game. There was a few horrible phantom PI calls and the late timeout given that negated the tying TD run was UNPHUCKINBELIEVABLE. Not calling the 12 man penalty was absurd, I've never heard of having discretion on whether or not to call a penalty on that. If there is 12 men on the field, THEN THERE ARE 12 MEN ON THE FIELD! After all that I thought for sure they would spot GT the first down in overtime even though they didnt get it. Still dont know how they were able to reverse the 2 pt conversion when there was no good replay angle. Just glad we beat the refs and GT too.
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actually rewatching the game right now I got a pic of the play..
from this angle its pretty clear the assistant coach that got ran over was clearly within where he was supposed to be. But the ref didn't even trip or anything and it didn't effect his ability to make a call. Bull**** ****** call even though it was a 1st down play, it was their biggest play on offense to that point.
from this angle its pretty clear the assistant coach that got ran over was clearly within where he was supposed to be. But the ref didn't even trip or anything and it didn't effect his ability to make a call. Bull**** ****** call even though it was a 1st down play, it was their biggest play on offense to that point.
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Ive never seen it get called on anyone else
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Interesting, I wish you could post a .gif. It's hard to tell when the dude's on the ground, but TV might not have caught the initial contact?
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Nope thats as soon as the collision came into view, as soon as that happened that same ref reached for the flag.
not even sure where to start to make a gif lol.
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