Richt's Recruiting- DT Edition

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We've covered many positions for Richt from his time at UGA, but now we get to the one the board loves to talk about; the DT's. These guys are the 3-techniques, so I'll separate the NT's into another group.

As a reminder, I started with the year 2002 so as to give Richt a full year to establish his system and forge relationships.

From 2002-2014, Richt recruited 17 DT's. These DT's averaged 6-3, 271 pounds and 3.80 stars. This position was the second highest position group from a stars perspective behind only the RB's.

One DT recruit did not make it to campus (Brandon Sesay). Here are the remaining 16 DT's:

Dale Dixson- 6-3, 265 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From TX, made one career start. Grew to 302 pounds and provided depth.

Marquis Elmore- 6-3, 220 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From prep school, made one career start. Grew to 285 pounds, but hampered by injuries.

Ray Gant- 6-3, 280 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From prep school, made seven career starts. Actually cut weight to 277 pounds at end of career. Only one year of varsity ball, but developed into depth player.

Kedric Golston- 6-5, 285 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From GA, made 24 career starts. First true freshman to start at NT in some time. He eventually settled in at 292 pounds and played DT. Elite athlete for his size, he had an NFL career.

Jeff Owens- 6-2, 263 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, made 37 career starts and was drafted into NFL. Grew to about 290 pounds and was freshman All-American.

Geno Atkins- 6-1, 270 pounds and 3.00 average stars. From FL, made 23 career starts and was all-conference and was drafted into NFL. Nice little three star evaluation here.

DeAngelo Tyson- 6-2, 276 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 28 career starts and was drafted into NFL.

Abry Jones- 6-3, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 31 career starts. Career underachiever, but made NFL roster.

Derrick Lott- 6-4, 272 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made 0 career starts. Broke leg in scooter accident and ankle in a separate incident.

Garrison Smith- 6-3, 250 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 23 career starts. Grew to 300 pounds and was a captain.

Michael Thornton- 6-1, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 10 career starts. Tough and was voted permanent captain.

James DeLoach- 6-3, 260 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made three career starts. Excellent depth player.

Kendall Baker- 6-6, 297 pounds and 3.67 average stars. From GA, and was actually moved to OT.

Keyon Brown- 6-3, 240 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, has not made a career start, redshirted and is working to gain weight.

Corvey Irvin- 6-4, 275 pounds and 3.33 average stars. Junior college player, made 11 career starts.

Jarius Wynn- 6-5, 275 pounds and 3.67 average stars. Junior college player, made eight career starts. Forged an NFL career.

What does this tell us?
Richt has a vision for his defensive line and will take players who fit that vision. For the most part, he only takes highly rated players at this position, though he did take two Junior College players- to varying degrees of success. Interestingly, the lowest rated DT he took ended up being the best player (Geno Atkins). How much of his success at this position was due to the SEC attracting DL? We will see, but Richt definitely hit this position hard. During his first full recruiting season- 2002- he loaded up with four DT's, with three all coming from the same prep school. He even added a NT in that same class, for five interior defensive linemen in one class. This leads me to believe that Richt attacks positions of weakness or that lack depth with a vengeance.

How does this look for our current players?
Coach Richt clearly has a type on the DL and he is not afraid to move players around. I wouldn't be shocked to see Tyreic Martin, McIntosh, and Chad Thomas spend a lot of time rushing from the interior defensive line in order to get all his speed and talent on the field at the same time. It was interesting to me that some DT's actually lost weight from what they were in high school, and several players were right at their high school weight, but obviously transformed in body type. This philosophy will be quite different from the previous regime.

Overall
Reading a list of successful interior defensive linemen should make most of this board smile, and seeing how Coach Richt will load up in a class when the depth is needed should really bode well for this upcoming class on the interior of the defensive line (and the secondary for that matter). This is one position Coach Richt has shown he can recruit successfully.
 

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We've covered many positions for Richt from his time at UGA, but now we get to the one the board loves to talk about; the DT's. These guys are the 3-techniques, so I'll separate the NT's into another group.

As a reminder, I started with the year 2002 so as to give Richt a full year to establish his system and forge relationships.

From 2002-2014, Richt recruited 17 DT's. These DT's averaged 6-3, 271 pounds and 3.80 stars. This position was the second highest position group from a stars perspective behind only the RB's.

One DT recruit did not make it to campus (Brandon Sesay). Here are the remaining 16 DT's:

Dale Dixson- 6-3, 265 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From TX, made one career start. Grew to 302 pounds and provided depth.

Marquis Elmore- 6-3, 220 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From prep school, made one career start. Grew to 285 pounds, but hampered by injuries.

Ray Gant- 6-3, 280 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From prep school, made seven career starts. Actually cut weight to 277 pounds at end of career. Only one year of varsity ball, but developed into depth player.

Kedric Golston- 6-5, 285 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From GA, made 24 career starts. First true freshman to start at NT in some time. He eventually settled in at 292 pounds and played DT. Elite athlete for his size, he had an NFL career.

Jeff Owens- 6-2, 263 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, made 37 career starts and was drafted into NFL. Grew to about 290 pounds and was freshman All-American.

Geno Atkins- 6-1, 270 pounds and 3.00 average stars. From FL, made 23 career starts and was all-conference and was drafted into NFL. Nice little three star evaluation here.

DeAngelo Tyson- 6-2, 276 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 28 career starts and was drafted into NFL.

Abry Jones- 6-3, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 31 career starts. Career underachiever, but made NFL roster.

Derrick Lott- 6-4, 272 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made 0 career starts. Broke leg in scooter accident and ankle in a separate incident.

Garrison Smith- 6-3, 250 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 23 career starts. Grew to 300 pounds and was a captain.

Michael Thornton- 6-1, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 10 career starts. Tough and was voted permanent captain.

James DeLoach- 6-3, 260 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made three career starts. Excellent depth player.

Kendall Baker- 6-6, 297 pounds and 3.67 average stars. From GA, and was actually moved to OT.

Keyon Brown- 6-3, 240 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, has not made a career start, redshirted and is working to gain weight.

Corvey Irvin- 6-4, 275 pounds and 3.33 average stars. Junior college player, made 11 career starts.

Jarius Wynn- 6-5, 275 pounds and 3.67 average stars. Junior college player, made eight career starts. Forged an NFL career.

What does this tell us?
Richt has a vision for his defensive line and will take players who fit that vision. For the most part, he only takes highly rated players at this position, though he did take two Junior College players- to varying degrees of success. Interestingly, the lowest rated DT he took ended up being the best player (Geno Atkins). How much of his success at this position was due to the SEC attracting DL? We will see, but Richt definitely hit this position hard. During his first full recruiting season- 2002- he loaded up with four DT's, with three all coming from the same prep school. He even added a NT in that same class, for five interior defensive linemen in one class. This leads me to believe that Richt attacks positions of weakness or that lack depth with a vengeance.

How does this look for our current players?
Coach Richt clearly has a type on the DL and he is not afraid to move players around. I wouldn't be shocked to see Tyreic Martin, McIntosh, and Chad Thomas spend a lot of time rushing from the interior defensive line in order to get all his speed and talent on the field at the same time. It was interesting to me that some DT's actually lost weight from what they were in high school, and several players were right at their high school weight, but obviously transformed in body type. This philosophy will be quite different from the previous regime.

Overall
Reading a list of successful interior defensive linemen should make most of this board smile, and seeing how Coach Richt will load up in a class when the depth is needed should really bode well for this upcoming class on the interior of the defensive line (and the secondary for that matter). This is one position Coach Richt has shown he can recruit successfully.

Serious question: is it possible that Richt took a 220lb DT? And that he put on 65lbs?
 
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17 DTs in 12 years?

Yes, he took 17 DT's, and I believe 11 NT's. Off top of my head on that one, it'll be exact in the post.

Yes, I checked several times on Elmore. He was 220 out of high school according to what I found. I obviously didn't weigh him myself, so maybe the information was incorrect in several places. I expected he'd be a DE, but he was a DT.
 
Coach Kool will handle those duties from here on out and we know for a fact he's the best defensive line coach in the country!
 
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Nice work and appreciate it sir. The only thing I'll say is that, with a new DC and DL coach entering the evaluation process, the type of player they want on the DL/DE could and will change. Until we start winning we've got to to a bang up job evaluating and developing DL/DE. Jonathan Ford, Colson that transferred to Carol City and Owen Carney is a great start at evaluating and offering.
 
I see this in most of these that I do, and my question to those who say it will change is, "what makes you think that?"

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would suddenly start recruiting players that are different than what he believed in for his tenure at Georgia?

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would bring in coaches that do not subscribe to his ideals, and therefore would require players who fit a different model than Richt had before?

The best predictor of future outcomes is to study previous ones. To dismiss this data because we believe things are going to change from how the HC has done it over his career because he changed a DC/DL coach (something he has done before and saw little to no change in his recruiting numbers) would be taking quite a leap in my opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I've wasted a ton of team with this exercise, but I believe in the data.
 
I see this in most of these that I do, and my question to those who say it will change is, "what makes you think that?"

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would suddenly start recruiting players that are different than what he believed in for his tenure at Georgia?

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would bring in coaches that do not subscribe to his ideals, and therefore would require players who fit a different model than Richt had before?

The best predictor of future outcomes is to study previous ones. To dismiss this data because we believe things are going to change from how the HC has done it over his career because he changed a DC/DL coach (something he has done before and saw little to no change in his recruiting numbers) would be taking quite a leap in my opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I've wasted a ton of team with this exercise, but I believe in the data.
Definitely wasted time, that's for sure
 
We've covered many positions for Richt from his time at UGA, but now we get to the one the board loves to talk about; the DT's. These guys are the 3-techniques, so I'll separate the NT's into another group.

As a reminder, I started with the year 2002 so as to give Richt a full year to establish his system and forge relationships.

From 2002-2014, Richt recruited 17 DT's. These DT's averaged 6-3, 271 pounds and 3.80 stars. This position was the second highest position group from a stars perspective behind only the RB's.

One DT recruit did not make it to campus (Brandon Sesay). Here are the remaining 16 DT's:

Dale Dixson- 6-3, 265 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From TX, made one career start. Grew to 302 pounds and provided depth.

Marquis Elmore- 6-3, 220 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From prep school, made one career start. Grew to 285 pounds, but hampered by injuries.

Ray Gant- 6-3, 280 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From prep school, made seven career starts. Actually cut weight to 277 pounds at end of career. Only one year of varsity ball, but developed into depth player.

Kedric Golston- 6-5, 285 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From GA, made 24 career starts. First true freshman to start at NT in some time. He eventually settled in at 292 pounds and played DT. Elite athlete for his size, he had an NFL career.

Jeff Owens- 6-2, 263 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, made 37 career starts and was drafted into NFL. Grew to about 290 pounds and was freshman All-American.

Geno Atkins- 6-1, 270 pounds and 3.00 average stars. From FL, made 23 career starts and was all-conference and was drafted into NFL. Nice little three star evaluation here.

DeAngelo Tyson- 6-2, 276 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 28 career starts and was drafted into NFL.

Abry Jones- 6-3, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 31 career starts. Career underachiever, but made NFL roster.

Derrick Lott- 6-4, 272 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made 0 career starts. Broke leg in scooter accident and ankle in a separate incident.

Garrison Smith- 6-3, 250 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 23 career starts. Grew to 300 pounds and was a captain.

Michael Thornton- 6-1, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 10 career starts. Tough and was voted permanent captain.

James DeLoach- 6-3, 260 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made three career starts. Excellent depth player.

Kendall Baker- 6-6, 297 pounds and 3.67 average stars. From GA, and was actually moved to OT.

Keyon Brown- 6-3, 240 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, has not made a career start, redshirted and is working to gain weight.

Corvey Irvin- 6-4, 275 pounds and 3.33 average stars. Junior college player, made 11 career starts.

Jarius Wynn- 6-5, 275 pounds and 3.67 average stars. Junior college player, made eight career starts. Forged an NFL career.

What does this tell us?
Richt has a vision for his defensive line and will take players who fit that vision. For the most part, he only takes highly rated players at this position, though he did take two Junior College players- to varying degrees of success. Interestingly, the lowest rated DT he took ended up being the best player (Geno Atkins). How much of his success at this position was due to the SEC attracting DL? We will see, but Richt definitely hit this position hard. During his first full recruiting season- 2002- he loaded up with four DT's, with three all coming from the same prep school. He even added a NT in that same class, for five interior defensive linemen in one class. This leads me to believe that Richt attacks positions of weakness or that lack depth with a vengeance.

How does this look for our current players?
Coach Richt clearly has a type on the DL and he is not afraid to move players around. I wouldn't be shocked to see Tyreic Martin, McIntosh, and Chad Thomas spend a lot of time rushing from the interior defensive line in order to get all his speed and talent on the field at the same time. It was interesting to me that some DT's actually lost weight from what they were in high school, and several players were right at their high school weight, but obviously transformed in body type. This philosophy will be quite different from the previous regime.

Overall
Reading a list of successful interior defensive linemen should make most of this board smile, and seeing how Coach Richt will load up in a class when the depth is needed should really bode well for this upcoming class on the interior of the defensive line (and the secondary for that matter). This is one position Coach Richt has shown he can recruit successfully.
Not to critique or criticize, but can you start adding the year they graduated hs for each player vision?

Every one of your Richts Recruiting has been awesome reads. The best reading material here. Please keep it up.
 
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Give all the recruiting credit to his dl coach from the get go...Garner...cmr was just there...Garner killing it at Auburn now.
 
I see this in most of these that I do, and my question to those who say it will change is, "what makes you think that?"

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would suddenly start recruiting players that are different than what he believed in for his tenure at Georgia?

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would bring in coaches that do not subscribe to his ideals, and therefore would require players who fit a different model than Richt had before?

The best predictor of future outcomes is to study previous ones. To dismiss this data because we believe things are going to change from how the HC has done it over his career because he changed a DC/DL coach (something he has done before and saw little to no change in his recruiting numbers) would be taking quite a leap in my opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I've wasted a ton of team with this exercise, but I believe in the data.

I think much of it depends on what Richt views as his area of expertise and how much he trusts his assistants in areas that might not be Richt's area of expertise. I don't think you hire a guy like Kuligowski, who is universally viewed as a top 5 DL coach, and then force your ideas on Dlinemen on him.

On offense, I'm sure that Richt is probably a lot more adamant on who he wants and who he doesn't want.
 
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I see this in most of these that I do, and my question to those who say it will change is, "what makes you think that?"

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would suddenly start recruiting players that are different than what he believed in for his tenure at Georgia?

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would bring in coaches that do not subscribe to his ideals, and therefore would require players who fit a different model than Richt had before?

The best predictor of future outcomes is to study previous ones. To dismiss this data because we believe things are going to change from how the HC has done it over his career because he changed a DC/DL coach (something he has done before and saw little to no change in his recruiting numbers) would be taking quite a leap in my opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I've wasted a ton of team with this exercise, but I believe in the data.

I think much of it depends on what Richt views as his area of expertise and how much he trusts his assistants in areas that might not be Richt's area of expertise. I don't think you hire a guy like Kuligowski, who is universally viewed as a top 5 DL coach, and then force your ideas on Dlinemen on him.

On offense, I'm sure that Richt is probably a lot more adamant on who he wants and who he doesn't want.
yea, and besides that a 4-3 defense does use a " nose tackle " but they're not true Nose tackles like these guys are. They're usually the best run defender out of the tackle group
 
I see this in most of these that I do, and my question to those who say it will change is, "what makes you think that?"

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would suddenly start recruiting players that are different than what he believed in for his tenure at Georgia?

Why would we believe that Coach Richt would bring in coaches that do not subscribe to his ideals, and therefore would require players who fit a different model than Richt had before?

The best predictor of future outcomes is to study previous ones. To dismiss this data because we believe things are going to change from how the HC has done it over his career because he changed a DC/DL coach (something he has done before and saw little to no change in his recruiting numbers) would be taking quite a leap in my opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I've wasted a ton of team with this exercise, but I believe in the data.

I think much of it depends on what Richt views as his area of expertise and how much he trusts his assistants in areas that might not be Richt's area of expertise. I don't think you hire a guy like Kuligowski, who is universally viewed as a top 5 DL coach, and then force your ideas on Dlinemen on him.

On offense, I'm sure that Richt is probably a lot more adamant on who he wants and who he doesn't want.
yea, and besides that a 4-3 defense does use a " nose tackle " but they're not true Nose tackles like these guys are. They're usually the best run defender out of the tackle group

This is why you hire coaches whom you do not have to force your ideals down their throats. You hire coaches who align with your beliefs.

Of course they are nose tackles. They are called nose tackles simply because of alignments. They line up on the nose of the center (or football, whichever you prefer). It's simply another name for the zero or one technique.

Now, I'm only through 2005, but thus far, Kuligowski's DE's average 6039, 229 while Richt's averaged 6039, 239.

If these results hold, it would make sense due to the fact Mizzou has to take a few more developmental type kids, and that includes kids who might need to put on some weight, but if anything, the results thus far tell us Kuligowski likes them even a little leaner than Richt has thus far.
 
We've covered many positions for Richt from his time at UGA, but now we get to the one the board loves to talk about; the DT's. These guys are the 3-techniques, so I'll separate the NT's into another group.

As a reminder, I started with the year 2002 so as to give Richt a full year to establish his system and forge relationships.

From 2002-2014, Richt recruited 17 DT's. These DT's averaged 6-3, 271 pounds and 3.80 stars. This position was the second highest position group from a stars perspective behind only the RB's.

One DT recruit did not make it to campus (Brandon Sesay). Here are the remaining 16 DT's:

Dale Dixson- 6-3, 265 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From TX, made one career start. Grew to 302 pounds and provided depth.

Marquis Elmore- 6-3, 220 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From prep school, made one career start. Grew to 285 pounds, but hampered by injuries.

Ray Gant- 6-3, 280 pounds and 3.50 average stars. From prep school, made seven career starts. Actually cut weight to 277 pounds at end of career. Only one year of varsity ball, but developed into depth player.

Kedric Golston- 6-5, 285 pounds and 4.50 average stars. From GA, made 24 career starts. First true freshman to start at NT in some time. He eventually settled in at 292 pounds and played DT. Elite athlete for his size, he had an NFL career.

Jeff Owens- 6-2, 263 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, made 37 career starts and was drafted into NFL. Grew to about 290 pounds and was freshman All-American.

Geno Atkins- 6-1, 270 pounds and 3.00 average stars. From FL, made 23 career starts and was all-conference and was drafted into NFL. Nice little three star evaluation here.

DeAngelo Tyson- 6-2, 276 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 28 career starts and was drafted into NFL.

Abry Jones- 6-3, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 31 career starts. Career underachiever, but made NFL roster.

Derrick Lott- 6-4, 272 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made 0 career starts. Broke leg in scooter accident and ankle in a separate incident.

Garrison Smith- 6-3, 250 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 23 career starts. Grew to 300 pounds and was a captain.

Michael Thornton- 6-1, 273 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From GA, made 10 career starts. Tough and was voted permanent captain.

James DeLoach- 6-3, 260 pounds and 3.33 average stars. From GA, made three career starts. Excellent depth player.

Kendall Baker- 6-6, 297 pounds and 3.67 average stars. From GA, and was actually moved to OT.

Keyon Brown- 6-3, 240 pounds and 4.00 average stars. From FL, has not made a career start, redshirted and is working to gain weight.

Corvey Irvin- 6-4, 275 pounds and 3.33 average stars. Junior college player, made 11 career starts.

Jarius Wynn- 6-5, 275 pounds and 3.67 average stars. Junior college player, made eight career starts. Forged an NFL career.

What does this tell us?
Richt has a vision for his defensive line and will take players who fit that vision. For the most part, he only takes highly rated players at this position, though he did take two Junior College players- to varying degrees of success. Interestingly, the lowest rated DT he took ended up being the best player (Geno Atkins). How much of his success at this position was due to the SEC attracting DL? We will see, but Richt definitely hit this position hard. During his first full recruiting season- 2002- he loaded up with four DT's, with three all coming from the same prep school. He even added a NT in that same class, for five interior defensive linemen in one class. This leads me to believe that Richt attacks positions of weakness or that lack depth with a vengeance.

How does this look for our current players?
Coach Richt clearly has a type on the DL and he is not afraid to move players around. I wouldn't be shocked to see Tyreic Martin, McIntosh, and Chad Thomas spend a lot of time rushing from the interior defensive line in order to get all his speed and talent on the field at the same time. It was interesting to me that some DT's actually lost weight from what they were in high school, and several players were right at their high school weight, but obviously transformed in body type. This philosophy will be quite different from the previous regime.

Overall
Reading a list of successful interior defensive linemen should make most of this board smile, and seeing how Coach Richt will load up in a class when the depth is needed should really bode well for this upcoming class on the interior of the defensive line (and the secondary for that matter). This is one position Coach Richt has shown he can recruit successfully.

2 DTs signed in 2 years. Richt hates DTs (clear sarcasm so the white knights dont get upset).
 
Hey, I'm going to pat myself on the back a bit here, I was pretty prophetic with my wrap-up there.

What does this tell us?
Richt has a vision for his defensive line and will take players who fit that vision. For the most part, he only takes highly rated players at this position, though he did take two Junior College players- to varying degrees of success. Interestingly, the lowest rated DT he took ended up being the best player (Geno Atkins). How much of his success at this position was due to the SEC attracting DL? We will see, but Richt definitely hit this position hard. During his first full recruiting season- 2002- he loaded up with four DT's, with three all coming from the same prep school. He even added a NT in that same class, for five interior defensive linemen in one class. This leads me to believe that Richt attacks positions of weakness or that lack depth with a vengeance.

How does this look for our current players?
Coach Richt clearly has a type on the DL and he is not afraid to move players around. I wouldn't be shocked to see Tyreic Martin, McIntosh, and Chad Thomas spend a lot of time rushing from the interior defensive line in order to get all his speed and talent on the field at the same time. It was interesting to me that some DT's actually lost weight from what they were in high school, and several players were right at their high school weight, but obviously transformed in body type. This philosophy will be quite different from the previous regime.

We've also seen Richt attack position groups with a vengeance since he's been here. DB recruiting this year, taking two QB's last year, OL recruiting last year.

Hopefully next year we attack that DL hard.
 
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