Re: Self-Imposed Recruiting Sanctions

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Re: Self-Imposed Recruiting Sanctions

I see a lot of posters mentioning supposed 'self-imposed recruiting restrictions.' Let me make it VERY CLEAR --- there is NO SUCH THING!!!

You are getting this term [or concept] confused with 'Roster Management & Preparation, In Anticipation of Sanctions.' Again, it ain't the same -- not even close!

Again, a school CANNOT self-impose scholie reductions in hopes of avoiding future punishment. One of the main reasons is that the Gods in Kansas City would have no way of knowing how many guys you could have signed.

In a previous post I tried to explain how the EE rule works, and how it can be used to minimize the effect of anticipated scholarship limitations via sanctions. I'll try to do so again.

First, the Rule: Any student receiving a scholarship and entering at mid-year may have his scholarship counted against the previous year's cycle numbers, or the following (fall) cycle, at the election of the institution --- provided the institution did not exceed the permitted maximum number allowed in the previous cycle (usually 25 per cycle.)

Note: The usual maximum of 25 per cycle, is always limited by the overriding maximum TOTAL number permitted on the roster. [Usually 85.]

Now, for purpose of illustration only, assume we get sanctions of a loss of 5 scholies per year for 3 years, with a roster limit of 80 players. What that means is that the usually permitted numbers (explained above) are reduced per the sanctions. i. e. 20 per cycle (instead of 25), with a roster limit of 80 (instead of 85.)

This year, because we currently have less than 80 players on scholie, we can, if Al desires, award the permitted 25 per cycle, and bring our roster up to 85 players.

Now the expected sanctions come into play.

Remember, any sanctions (if received) would not take effect until the 2014 cycle year, at the earliest. Again, as in the above example, that would mean a 20/80 limit.

Now comes the concept of Roster Management in anticipation of those sanctions. If, instead of awarding 25 this year, we only award 20, then next year we will be able to award 25, instead of the 20, provided 5 of them are EEs who can be back-charged and counted against this year's cycle [again, assuming we do not exceed the roster limit of 80.]

In other words (and in summary) , for every scholie under 25 that we DO NOT AWARD THIS YEAR, that number may be added to next year's number which will be subject to possible sanctions.

Further roster management is achieved by signing JUCOs who only have 2 years and will therefore drop off the roster naturally, while allowing other guys to RS until then.

Hope this clears up the confusion. Maybe want to tack.
 
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Why would they take effect at 2014 at the earliest if we receive the punishment this year? I thought we could take them at any time in a specified window from sanctions forward, but that most schools choose to delay because they haven't been under investigation for 10,000 years already.
 
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Re: Self-Imposed Recruiting Sanctions

I see a lot of posters mentioning supposed 'self-imposed recruiting restrictions.' Let me make it VERY CLEAR --- there is NO SUCH THING!!!

You are getting this term [or concept] confused with 'Roster Management & Preparation, In Anticipation of Sanctions.' Again, it ain't the same -- not even close!

Again, a school CANNOT self-impose scholie reductions in hopes of avoiding future punishment. One of the main reasons is that the Gods in Kansas City would have no way of knowing how many guys you could have signed.

In a previous post I tried to explain how the EE rule works, and how it can be used to minimize the effect of anticipated scholarship limitations via sanctions. I'll try to do so again.

First, the Rule: Any student receiving a scholarship and entering at mid-year may have his scholarship counted against the previous year's cycle numbers, or the following (fall) cycle, at the election of the institution --- provided the institution did not exceed the permitted maximum number allowed in the previous cycle (usually 25 per cycle.)

Note: The usual maximum of 25 per cycle, is always limited by the overriding maximum TOTAL number permitted on the roster. [Usually 85.]

Now, for purpose of illustration only, assume we get sanctions of a loss of 5 scholies per year for 3 years, with a roster limit of 80 players. What that means is that the usually permitted numbers (explained above) are reduced per the sanctions. i. e. 20 per cycle (instead of 25), with a roster limit of 80 (instead of 85.)

This year, because we currently have less than 80 players on scholie, we can, if Al desires, award the permitted 25 per cycle, and bring our roster up to 85 players.

Now the expected sanctions come into play.

Remember, any sanctions (if received) would not take effect until the 2014 cycle year, at the earliest. Again, as in the above example, that would mean a 20/80 limit.

Now comes the concept of Roster Management in anticipation of those sanctions. If, instead of awarding 25 this year, we only award 20, then next year we will be able to award 25, instead of the 20, provided 5 of them are EEs who can be back-charged and counted against this year's cycle [again, assuming we do not exceed the roster limit of 80.]

In other words (and in summary) , for every scholie under 25 that we DO NOT AWARD THIS YEAR, that number may be added to next year's number which will be subject to possible sanctions.

Further roster management is achieved by signing JUCOs who only have 2 years and will therefore drop off the roster naturally, while allowing other guys to RS until then.

Hope this clears up the confusion. Maybe want to tack.

very well explained, def cleared somethings up for me. so are u saying that if we only sign 20 kids this years we could basically still sign 25 kids for the 2 or 3 years we are on sanctions assuming 5 are EE each year and we are still under the 80 total player limit?
 
Why would they take effect at 2014 at the earliest if we receive the punishment this year? I thought we could take them at any time in a specified window from sanctions forward, but that most schools choose to delay because they haven't been under investigation for 10,000 years already.

We won't recieve punishment by first week February 2013. December is almost over and we haven't relieved an NOA. NOA usually means there will be a trial in a few months followed by decisions a little while after. There's essentially one month till this class is closed, no time.
 
Pretty sure that UM can self-impose scholarship reductions AFTER it receives the NOA. Would make no sense to do it before then anyway. The NCAA can then either accept UM's self-imposed reductions or add to them.
 
Pretty sure that UM can self-impose scholarship reductions AFTER it receives the NOA. Would make no sense to do it before then anyway. The NCAA can then either accept UM's self-imposed reductions or add to them.

Yes, I believe OSU, UCF and Boise did this recently.
 
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Re: Self-Imposed Recruiting Sanctions

I see a lot of posters mentioning supposed 'self-imposed recruiting restrictions.' Let me make it VERY CLEAR --- there is NO SUCH THING!!!

You are getting this term [or concept] confused with 'Roster Management & Preparation, In Anticipation of Sanctions.' Again, it ain't the same -- not even close!

Again, a school CANNOT self-impose scholie reductions in hopes of avoiding future punishment. One of the main reasons is that the Gods in Kansas City would have no way of knowing how many guys you could have signed.

In a previous post I tried to explain how the EE rule works, and how it can be used to minimize the effect of anticipated scholarship limitations via sanctions. I'll try to do so again.

First, the Rule: Any student receiving a scholarship and entering at mid-year may have his scholarship counted against the previous year's cycle numbers, or the following (fall) cycle, at the election of the institution --- provided the institution did not exceed the permitted maximum number allowed in the previous cycle (usually 25 per cycle.)

Note: The usual maximum of 25 per cycle, is always limited by the overriding maximum TOTAL number permitted on the roster. [Usually 85.]

Now, for purpose of illustration only, assume we get sanctions of a loss of 5 scholies per year for 3 years, with a roster limit of 80 players. What that means is that the usually permitted numbers (explained above) are reduced per the sanctions. i. e. 20 per cycle (instead of 25), with a roster limit of 80 (instead of 85.)

This year, because we currently have less than 80 players on scholie, we can, if Al desires, award the permitted 25 per cycle, and bring our roster up to 85 players.

Now the expected sanctions come into play.

Remember, any sanctions (if received) would not take effect until the 2014 cycle year, at the earliest. Again, as in the above example, that would mean a 20/80 limit.

Now comes the concept of Roster Management in anticipation of those sanctions. If, instead of awarding 25 this year, we only award 20, then next year we will be able to award 25, instead of the 20, provided 5 of them are EEs who can be back-charged and counted against this year's cycle [again, assuming we do not exceed the roster limit of 80.]

In other words (and in summary) , for every scholie under 25 that we DO NOT AWARD THIS YEAR, that number may be added to next year's number which will be subject to possible sanctions.

Further roster management is achieved by signing JUCOs who only have 2 years and will therefore drop off the roster naturally, while allowing other guys to RS until then.

Hope this clears up the confusion. Maybe want to tack.

very well explained, def cleared somethings up for me. so are u saying that if we only sign 20 kids this years we could basically still sign 25 kids for the 2 or 3 years we are on sanctions assuming 5 are EE each year and we are still under the 80 total player limit?

I don't think that is right. This year would be 25, with 5 going to last year. The next few years would all be 20, with none allowed to go to the year before. That would put over 20 limit.
 
Re: Self-Imposed Recruiting Sanctions

I see a lot of posters mentioning supposed 'self-imposed recruiting restrictions.' Let me make it VERY CLEAR --- there is NO SUCH THING!!!

You are getting this term [or concept] confused with 'Roster Management & Preparation, In Anticipation of Sanctions.' Again, it ain't the same -- not even close!

Again, a school CANNOT self-impose scholie reductions in hopes of avoiding future punishment. One of the main reasons is that the Gods in Kansas City would have no way of knowing how many guys you could have signed.

In a previous post I tried to explain how the EE rule works, and how it can be used to minimize the effect of anticipated scholarship limitations via sanctions. I'll try to do so again.

First, the Rule: Any student receiving a scholarship and entering at mid-year may have his scholarship counted against the previous year's cycle numbers, or the following (fall) cycle, at the election of the institution --- provided the institution did not exceed the permitted maximum number allowed in the previous cycle (usually 25 per cycle.)

Note: The usual maximum of 25 per cycle, is always limited by the overriding maximum TOTAL number permitted on the roster. [Usually 85.]

Now, for purpose of illustration only, assume we get sanctions of a loss of 5 scholies per year for 3 years, with a roster limit of 80 players. What that means is that the usually permitted numbers (explained above) are reduced per the sanctions. i. e. 20 per cycle (instead of 25), with a roster limit of 80 (instead of 85.)

This year, because we currently have less than 80 players on scholie, we can, if Al desires, award the permitted 25 per cycle, and bring our roster up to 85 players.

Now the expected sanctions come into play.

Remember, any sanctions (if received) would not take effect until the 2014 cycle year, at the earliest. Again, as in the above example, that would mean a 20/80 limit.

Now comes the concept of Roster Management in anticipation of those sanctions. If, instead of awarding 25 this year, we only award 20, then next year we will be able to award 25, instead of the 20, provided 5 of them are EEs who can be back-charged and counted against this year's cycle [again, assuming we do not exceed the roster limit of 80.]

In other words (and in summary) , for every scholie under 25 that we DO NOT AWARD THIS YEAR, that number may be added to next year's number which will be subject to possible sanctions.

Further roster management is achieved by signing JUCOs who only have 2 years and will therefore drop off the roster naturally, while allowing other guys to RS until then.

Hope this clears up the confusion. Maybe want to tack.

very well explained, def cleared somethings up for me. so are u saying that if we only sign 20 kids this years we could basically still sign 25 kids for the 2 or 3 years we are on sanctions assuming 5 are EE each year and we are still under the 80 total player limit?

I don't think that is right. This year would be 25, with 5 going to last year. The next few years would all be 20, with none allowed to go to the year before. That would put over 20 limit.

but if we dont fill this years class for the yearly limit (25), which the way Golden has talked we probably wont sign more than 20, then we should have those remaining spots (which would be 5 in the example used) to use as EE next year right? or do u not get that exception when under scholarship reductions?
 
Yes. That would be correct. That is why it is 'Roster Management.' But keep in mind, that if you sign 25 for 2 years, that totals 50 alone, so there has to be some sort of' 'purging' to keep under the 80 man total.
 
Sometimes, when they hand down penalties, they don't specify a limit on total scholarships from the 85 number. Sometimes, they only impose a limit on the yearly scholarships issued from the 25 number.
 
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Re: Self-Imposed Recruiting Sanctions




This year, because we currently have less than 80 players on scholie, we can, if Al desires, award the permitted 25 per cycle, and bring our roster up to 85 players.

??? Doesn´t compute. Assuming no attrition, that would bring our roster up to 95 players.
 
Sometimes, when they hand down penalties, they don't specify a limit on total scholarships from the 85 number. Sometimes, they only impose a limit on the yearly scholarships issued from the 25 number.

That's right. But usually it's a combination of the two. And, it's not always a simple formula (directly coupled) like 20 per year and 80 overall. Pedophile St was hit with 15 per year but 65 overall. You can't count on anything until the NCAA cooks its **** stew and makes you eat it.
 
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