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From a gap perspective yes, from coverage it's a lot more complicated. We're attempting to impliment a pattern reading scheme (technically cover three but not really), which this video helps explain (ignore the blitzing back, treat him as end, its a hybrid D we're running):
[video=youtube;qciJe5yW73s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qciJe5yW73s[/video]

It's why our CBs line up so far off the receiver. The slant is the OLB's responsibility, thus the CB is responsible for the deep play. We line them off more, because we dont trust them to cover their main responsibility well enough so in order to not break as a D, we concede the short field which the LB should pick up. Unfortunately, our LBs are also young and inexperienced and make mistakes too. At this point with the personnel in this set it's a pick a your poison, the short route or the deep route. D'O chose the short route with the hope Lbs get better at their role. And to their credit they have but they're not there yet. Once they're there, this defense is hard to stop as it gives you very little passing opportunities (also the CB's should be better, meaning more press and drop back).
 
Chrisarg72, I look forward to you posting more as the season goes on. You bring the goods man.
 
GhostofVenice01 said:
JHallCanes said:
Chrisarg72, I look forward to you posting more as the season goes on. You bring the goods man.
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What's the point of running a cover 3 at this level? I would think covering the under plays is more important in college and challenge QBs to throw deep
 
Honest question... if this defensive scheme is so hard to stop, why aren't more teams running it?

It sounds like a scheme that requires a very specific, rare breed of football player in the front 7. Someone intelligent, huge and athletic.

Are there teams running it successfully with 'average' talent?

I'm reading Nebraska, who gets their share of defensive talent, is on year 4 of a very similar defense and having crappy results.

Also, it appears when this defense fails, it fails spectacularly (anecdotal watching Miami and Nebraska this year).

*shrug* I'm concerned, but what do I know?
 
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To add to what chrisarg said. It is crucially important for that middle zone defender, in that case the will backer, to be reading the quarterbacks eyes! Those eyes are going to tell you where the ball is going. There are not too many qbs in college looking guys off. Safeties maybe but not backers...... This is when we will see a LOT of turnovers.
 
Chrisarg72 said:
From a gap perspective yes, from coverage it's a lot more complicated. We're attempting to impliment a pattern reading scheme (technically cover three but not really), which this video helps explain (ignore the blitzing back, treat him as end, its a hybrid D we're running):
[video=youtube;qciJe5yW73s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qciJe5yW73s[/video]

It's why our CBs line up so far off the receiver. The slant is the OLB's responsibility, thus the CB is responsible for the deep play. We line them off more, because we dont trust them to cover their main responsibility well enough so in order to not break as a D, we concede the short field which the LB should pick up. Unfortunately, our LBs are also young and inexperienced and make mistakes too. At this point with the personnel in this set it's a pick a your poison, the short route or the deep route. D'O chose the short route with the hope Lbs get better at their role. And to their credit they have but they're not there yet. Once they're there, this defense is hard to stop as it gives you very little passing opportunities (also the CB's should be better, meaning more press and drop back).
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So what is the DL's responsibility in this defensive allignment? Are they supposed to hold the point of attack, or should they be filling gaps? Thanks for the breakdown, great info.
 
When our LBs are in position, you get plays like the Denzel pick six. We arr putting a lot on our lbs and DL and have to pray they learn it and grow.
 
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[]_[]Fan2010;916734 said:
What's the point of running a cover 3 at this level? I would think covering the under plays is more important in college and challenge QBs to throw deep
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The thing about this scheme is that it's basic cover three, but it molds itself to the play that the Offense chooses.

Also, this defense is very hit or miss at the college level and it depends on the coach implementing it. The miss comes from players not reading the plays correctly on the field and leaving wide open routes. However, if the players "get it" it becomes a shut down D that's very hard to get any yards on. Pattern reading schemes don't allow for too much adjustment by the coordinator on gameday as the players are on the field coaches. Instead the coordinator has to teach them in practice, and essentially just call the basic blitzing. This is how we'll see if Coach D'O is a good coach, if as these players get older the D tightens up he's teaching well, if not he's not a good teacher. This Defense will suck this year with such young players, they will make the mistakes and leave wide open lanes. Thus the calls for his head are premature, as they need to factor in the long term progress of the D. I'm not a coach D'O supporter btw, I just understand this is the type of D that needs time to show the quality of the coach, as it's a teaching defense, not a playcall D, and if it doesn't improve between years then we should look elsewhere.

Thanks for all the support guys!
 
pook187 said:
I'm reading Nebraska, who gets their share of defensive talent, is on year 4 of a very similar defense and having crappy results.
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The year before Pelini got there, Nebraska was ranked 112th in total defense. Since then:

2008 -- 56th
2009 -- 7th
2010 -- 11th
2011 -- 37th

They've taken a step back this year, but it's not an implementation issue.
 
The D was ranked 16th in total d and scoring D in year 5 at temple..they either know what they're doing or got really lucky and managed to improve the D year in and year out... I'm going to guess it wasn't luck.
 
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Sure is painful to watch the "progress."

So if I understand this, it CAN be a great defense. But you have to invest years to implement. It's difficult and few teams can actually implement it.

Meaning, by the time it SHOULD work, if it doesn't, you've invested YEARS in the hope players can 'get it'.

In the meantime, we look like chickens running around without heads.

Frikkin' great.
 
I would wonder though if they're not sacrificing this year at the expense of not just having to play so many young kids, but having them learn this scheme, versus simplifying it and working on it in the spring and fall next year? It would definitely explain why the defense has been gashed like it has been. Hopefully with Kirby coming in, and getting some experience with it, they can start to get everyone on the same page.
 
FlaSportsFan88 said:
I know we run a cover 3 zone but are these the gap assignments and basically the scheme that Miami runs?

http://www.scardraft.com/2gap43.html
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That articles says that only the jaguars (and maybe the vikings but I'm not sure about that) run the 4-3 2 gap but the jaguars are 29th in overal team defense so far and 29th agaist the run. There is at least one other team that runs it also, guess who http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...or-patriots/stRSk1Anho5mvnPw84xxNN/story.html They are currently 19th overall on defense and 8th aginst the run. Just a little FYI
 
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