Paul Williams and "Plan B" Kids

[supersaiyanshel]

This zombie has pulled Carmoni Green and Antwan Collier out of S. Florida. Illinois also has Mike Epstein out of STA. These are all Plan B guys who we've routinely turned our nose up at while we chased elite guys only to be rejected and left scrambling at the last minute trying to scoop up Plan F guys.

The list of Plan B South Florida guys over the last 10 years is vast and endless. I'm not going to trash any of the current or past Plan F guys at The U, but we all know who they are. There are plenty of superior players we could have had on our roster over them, but instead, we slow played them, and ended up with WORSE players bc the Plan B guys have already gone elsewhere.

Point is, we need to stop putting all of our eggs in the elite basket, and take some of these S. Florida dogs who would die to rep for their school and city and coach them up. Yes, you need elite players to win it all, but you can still win BIG with guys like Collier, Green, ***an, Felton, Moore, Kerr, Thompson, McKenzie, Pierre, Aaron Thompson, etc.

Beggars can't be choosers, and yes, we all want those blue chippers, but we ain't there yet and won't be until we start winning (Jobe said it best: "Alabama is Alabma. UM is UM."), but that doesn't mean it has to be an all or nothing situation where we're left with bums who have no business being on the U's roster.

 

[CanesAreAble]

How are we putting all our eggs in one basket?

The staff is all over Collier. Supposedly he'd flip if offered. Long way to go until NSD.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

How are we putting all our eggs in one basket?

The staff is all over Collier. Supposedly he'd flip if offered. Long way to go until NSD.

T-Minus 3 months, brotha. It's closer than you think.

Your point still stands, however.

 

[cflacane2]

You're right we should recruit all the undersized CB's and white RB's. Our fanbase would never turn on them........

 

[supersaiyanshel]

You're right we should recruit all the undersized CB's and white RB's. Our fanbase would never turn on them........

We gotta get over this undersized CB thing (especially when our best CB is undersized), man. If they can ball, they can ball. Of the Top 10 CB's drafted last year, only 2 were legitimately over 6 feet, and you could make the argument that one of them (Ramsey) is better suited at Safety.

Also, the majority of those guys drafted early at the position weren't exactly blue chippers.

 

[cflacane2]

You're right we should recruit all the undersized CB's and white RB's. Our fanbase would never turn on them........

We gotta get over this undersized CB thing (especially when our best CB is undersized), man. If they can ball, they can ball. Of the Top 10 CB's drafted last year, only 2 were legitimately over 6 feet, and you could make the argument that one of them (Ramsey) is better suited at Safety.

Also, the majority of those guys drafted early at the position weren't exactly blue chippers.

Ya i get it. But we already have malek young, bandy, ced wright, and deejay. All on the smaller side. Seriously though can you imagine what would happen if we took a white RB.....threads on threads on threads.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

You're right we should recruit all the undersized CB's and white RB's. Our fanbase would never turn on them........

We gotta get over this undersized CB thing (especially when our best CB is undersized), man. If they can ball, they can ball. Of the Top 10 CB's drafted last year, only 2 were legitimately over 6 feet, and you could make the argument that one of them (Ramsey) is better suited at Safety.

Also, the majority of those guys drafted early at the position weren't exactly blue chippers.

Ya i get it. But we already have malek young, bandy, ced wright, and deejay. All on the smaller side. Seriously though can you imagine what would happen if we took a white RB.....threads on threads on threads.

He'd be the RB version of Berrios.

Also, worth noting that Dingle might end up at Illinois if we drop him (chasing after elite guys who won't end up here). That's a **** of a South Florida haul for Illinois. Won't put them over OSU or Michigan, but certainly right under if they keep recruiting like they are.

 

[AtrainCane]

You're right we should recruit all the undersized CB's and white RB's. Our fanbase would never turn on them........

We gotta get over this undersized CB thing (especially when our best CB is undersized), man. If they can ball, they can ball. Of the Top 10 CB's drafted last year, only 2 were legitimately over 6 feet, and you could make the argument that one of them (Ramsey) is better suited at Safety.

Also, the majority of those guys drafted early at the position weren't exactly blue chippers.

Ya i get it. But we already have malek young, bandy, ced wright, and deejay. All on the smaller side. Seriously though can you imagine what would happen if we took a white RB.....threads on threads on threads.

He'd be the RB version of Berrios.

Also, worth noting that Dingle might end up at Illinois if we drop him (chasing after elite guys who won't end up here). That's a **** of a South Florida haul for Illinois. Won't put them over OSU or Michigan, but certainly right under if they keep recruiting like they are.

I really don't know y we aren't recruiting Green. I think tht kid is going to be a stud.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

You're right we should recruit all the undersized CB's and white RB's. Our fanbase would never turn on them........

We gotta get over this undersized CB thing (especially when our best CB is undersized), man. If they can ball, they can ball. Of the Top 10 CB's drafted last year, only 2 were legitimately over 6 feet, and you could make the argument that one of them (Ramsey) is better suited at Safety.

Also, the majority of those guys drafted early at the position weren't exactly blue chippers.

Ya i get it. But we already have malek young, bandy, ced wright, and deejay. All on the smaller side. Seriously though can you imagine what would happen if we took a white RB.....threads on threads on threads.

He'd be the RB version of Berrios.

Also, worth noting that Dingle might end up at Illinois if we drop him (chasing after elite guys who won't end up here). That's a **** of a South Florida haul for Illinois. Won't put them over OSU or Michigan, but certainly right under if they keep recruiting like they are.

I really don't know y we aren't recruiting Green. I think tht kid is going to be a stud.

This x's infinity.

He's a take regardless of who we got on the board.

 

[JayCane20]

I think the Illinois thing is more about Lovie Smith than Williams. They know he's from the NFL and, good coach or not, Smith knows what he's doing despite never recruiting before. He knows sliding into South Florida and getting under the radar guys is the only chance Illinois has. Good for him, I'm waiting on Miami to actually use the strategy of keeping these guys home. Worked well for Louisville with Strong taking the guys we didn't want for whatever reason

 

[supersaiyanshel]

I think the Illinois thing is more about Lovie Smith than Williams. They know he's from the NFL and, good coach or not, Smith knows what he's doing despite never recruiting before. He knows sliding into South Florida and getting under the radar guys is the only chance Illinois has. Good for him, I'm waiting on Miami to actually use the strategy of keeping these guys home. Worked well for Louisville with Strong taking the guys we didn't want for whatever reason

Smith actually was in College for over a decade before Dungy plucked him from OSU, so he has plenty experience recruiting, and yeah, he's a big part of them going to Illinois. Same thing with Babers and Syracuse, who will be a problem in the next few years in the Atlantic.

 

[nycane]

I think the Illinois thing is more about Lovie Smith than Williams. They know he's from the NFL and, good coach or not, Smith knows what he's doing despite never recruiting before. He knows sliding into South Florida and getting under the radar guys is the only chance Illinois has. Good for him, I'm waiting on Miami to actually use the strategy of keeping these guys home. Worked well for Louisville with Strong taking the guys we didn't want for whatever reason

Smith actually was in College for over a decade before Dungy plucked him from OSU, so he has plenty experience recruiting, and yeah, he's a big part of them going to Illinois. Same thing with Babers and Syracuse, who will be a problem in the next few years in the Atlantic.

wait, kids are going to Illnois for Lovie Smith and not because Paul Williams mentored arguably the greatest DB in college history, Jaquan Jarrett?

 

[01Canes]

The issue is the likelihood of pursuing a Paul Williams commit (Collier) because we continue to fail to land premier CB targets in Richt's first year, which should be the honeymoon phase of recruiting where we land top talent at a position with so much early playing time available. And instead the new staff is losing every head-to-head CB recruiting battle to UF and Henderson/Edwards have decommitted. Unacceptable.

We shouldn't be actively trying to pursue anyone coveted by this former Golden lackey. Paul Williams was a disgracefully atrocious DB coach, recruiter, and evaluator here. That didn't suddenly change overnight.

Won't put them over OSU or Michigan, but certainly right under if they keep recruiting like they are.

And this comment right here is hyperbole of the highest order. Illinois is 2-5 and their current class is about what you'd expect it to be for a program like theirs. Put down the Kool Aid.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

The issue is the likelihood of pursuing a Paul Williams commit (Collier) because we continue to fail to land premier CB targets in Richt's first year, which should be the honeymoon phase of recruiting where we land top talent at a position with so much early playing time available. And instead the new staff is losing every head-to-head CB recruiting battle to UF and Henderson/Edwards have decommitted. Unacceptable.

We shouldn't be actively trying to pursue anyone coveted by this former Golden lackey. Paul Williams was a disgracefully atrocious DB coach, recruiter, and evaluator here. That didn't suddenly change overnight.

Won't put them over OSU or Michigan, but certainly right under if they keep recruiting like they are.

And this comment right here is hyperbole of the highest order. Illinois is 2-5 and their current class is about what you'd expect it to be for a program like theirs. Put down the Kool Aid.

Lol. How is it hyperbole of the highest order? It is conjecture and extrapolation, but nowhere near hyperbole. The programs who are under OSU and Michigan in the Big 10 aren't world beaters. PSU? Rutgers? Maryland? Indiana? Iowa? Purdue? Northwestern? Minnesota? C'mon, bruh. Michigan State and Wisconsin (and soon to be Nebraska) are in that next tier below OSU and Michigan. Illinois can surely be there if they keep getting guys like Green and ***an.


Their current recruiting class is actually lower (I expect it'll be higher) than Lovie's first class (which was Top 50), so keep in mind this years class would be building upon what they got last year.

You're saying we shouldn't be pursuing any Williams players, but, if we keep losing head to head battles with UF (as you very astutely pointed out), we won't be. We'll be chasing FIU and FAU commits. Again. (now that statement is hyperbole).

 

[Memnon]

I've argued for Carmoni Green on threads for months now & everytime get told he's not take or we don't need, smh.

Especially after we're supposed to be dropping Dingle (which to me is crazy), but when Pete says we need 5WR's, I'm always like, if that's the case then why not go grab up the guys in our backyard?

I understand the need for speed, but then we have to actually look at the board and see what's realistically available.

I hope we land Smith, Holloman & Harley, and maybe we will, but if we don't... Smh, it would be a massive fail.

Ultimately, the staff knows more than I do, so we'll see what happens come January/February, I still have faith in their ability to close strong, but there's definitely a few Dade prospects I feel we're sleeping on, but I'm biased so whatever... Lol

 

[The Franchise]

Actually, the solution is to get a recruiting hammer on the staff like Rick had at UGA with Rodney Garner and stop the elite guys from leaving the area.

I don't want to battle Illinois and Iowa for recruits. I want the best guys because we aren't beating anyone without a decided talent advantage.