Offensive scheme time...

[ghost2]

So, similar to the thread I started regarding the defense, I'd like to hear the board's thoughts on our offensive playbook this year. We've heard some talk about the 2 TE/New England Patriot look from Fisch. We also know that it will be RB by committee all year long, and that Fisch has "packages" (no homo) for each player.

Personally, I think Morris at QB opens up the middle of the field a lot more due to his arm strength, assuming he can keep the INTs down. Last year with Jacory, we were basically using 5-10 yard sideline patterns and the occasional deep ball. I think the 2 TE set has a lot of potential in that you can run or throw from it if you have the right guys, and I think Cleveland is definitely the right guy. Walford could be if he becomes a more consistent pass-cather.

I'm a big fan of running multiple plays from a few sets, as Fisch suggests - it keeps defenses on their heels more and doesn't telegraph the play based on personnel. That said, I'm wary of teams figuring out our running back packages late in the year - i.e. "Clements is in at tailback, it's either a screen or a draw..."

Thoughts?

 

[LuCane]

Think it's a good topic. I think Fisch struggled with this last year. He flashed his tendencies early and obviously. His personnel groups were big tells for run or pass.

 

[canecountry3]

I don't think Fisch should change much from last year in terms of play calling, especially if they accomplish one of their main goals: increase the amount of offensive plays per game. I can see Fisch passing a little bit more to compensate for production at RB.

The one gripe I had w/ 2011 play calling was that I didn't think they did a good enough job of getting the ball to Benjamin in space (it did happen, though). With guys like Dorsett, Johnson, Scott... I'd like to see more screens and slants.

Fisch often called "chance plays" (Dorsett pass, flea flicker, 4th downs) at the perfect time - same with the long ball. Miami wasn't very predictable last year and I expect it to be the same. 55-45% run pass. If run properly, the offense is efficient and potentially very good.

 

[moshated305]

Not necessarily scheme but I think we need to play much faster this year. We played slower than Big Ten (or whatever its called now) teams last year. We don't need to go Oregon no huddle fast but we have to play much faster.

 

[canecountry3]

Think it's a good topic. I think Fisch struggled with this last year. He flashed his tendencies early and obviously. His personnel groups were big tells for run or pass.

Re: personnel decisions.. that's what happens when the roster is full of one dimensional players, especially at TE. The development of Dye and Perry are pretty important this year, if they can block AND catch the ball (and vice versa w/ Cleveland/Walford)... plus utilizing the TE more in the passing game as a whole would go a long way in disguising plays.

 

[ghost2]

Not necessarily scheme but I think we need to play much faster this year. We played slower than Big Ten (or whatever its called now) teams last year. We don't need to go Oregon no huddle fast but we have to play much faster.

Agree. Certainly some of the pacing issues were due to our personnel and new scheme. That said, do you think some of the slower tempo offense might have also been a deliberate move to keep our defense off the field for as long as possible?

 

[CanesAreAble]

I think our porous run-blocking hamstrung the offense. If Lamar Miller wasn't ripping off a long run, we weren't generating much of anything on the ground (except for the VTech game where were just gashing them in the 2nd half). We weren't even blowing Bethune Cookman off the ball. We couldn't run well at all in short-yardage situation, and it cost us at least two games (KState and UVA). And our TEs weren't versatile. Chase Ford got MAULED when he tried to block, and he didn't make up for it with his receiving skills. Cleveland and Warlord have a chance to be impact players.

With Morris starting, we shouldn't see any more ill-timed read option plays to the boundary in the red zone (at least I hope not).

If the o-line opens more holes on the ground, I think that will open everything up.

 

[moshated305]

Not necessarily scheme but I think we need to play much faster this year. We played slower than Big Ten (or whatever its called now) teams last year. We don't need to go Oregon no huddle fast but we have to play much faster.

Agree. Certainly some of the pacing issues were due to our personnel and new scheme. That said, do you think some of the slower tempo offense might have also been a deliberate move to keep our defense off the field for as long as possible?

I can see that as the reason but I look at it the other way. Playing that slow shortens the game which means our offense has to be as efficient as possible and score almost every possession because we know our defense wasn't getting many stops. Should have played faster and given the offense more opportunities.

 

[moshated305]

I think our porous run-blocking hamstrung the offense. If Lamar Miller wasn't ripping off a long run, we weren't generating much of anything on the ground (except for the VTech game where were just gashing them in the 2nd half). We weren't even blowing Bethune Cookman off the ball. We couldn't run well at all in short-yardage situation, and it cost us at least two games (KState and UVA). And our TEs weren't versatile. Chase Ford got MAULED when he tried to block, and he didn't make up for it with his receiving skills. Cleveland and Warlord have a chance to be impact players.

With Morris starting, we shouldn't see any more ill-timed read option plays to the boundary in the red zone (at least I hope not).

If the o-line opens more holes on the ground, I think that will open everything up.

Weak and below average conditioning of the line and TEs largely to blame there. Hopefully a stronger, better conditioned line will improve that.

 

[canescanescanes]

Think it's a good topic. I think Fisch struggled with this last year. He flashed his tendencies early and obviously. His personnel groups were big tells for run or pass.

Re: personnel decisions.. that's what happens when the roster is full of one dimensional players, especially at TE. The development of Dye and Perry are pretty important this year, if they can block AND catch the ball (and vice versa w/ Cleveland/Walford)... plus utilizing the TE more in the passing game as a whole would go a long way in disguising plays.

We did that by design! It was very smart! Done to protect our thin defense.

 

[zone3cane]

I think I remember Coach Fisch saying that we will be seeing more Shotgun formations as well.

The shotgun formation really benefits College QBs, b/c it gives them the ability, to not have to think about the pass rush so much after the snap....

Having Duke Johnson, in the slot, in spread formations could really give us an offensive advantage this season.

 

[DeadPoets]

We just need to run the ball better and the rest of Fisch's PB will open up.
Fisch never had an issue stretching the field and quite often began games in this manner (going deep to get defense on their heels)

He's a smart dude... I just hope we keep it simple (ESPECIALLY in the red zone).
Too many coaches outthink themselves. Fisch has shown he believes if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Against Ohio St in 1st quarter we ran the exact same toss play to Lamar Miller 3 straight plays lol