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Stats02 said:
FSU did get "lucky" on some of their portal transfers over the last few years, but I wouldn't say Verse and Coleman were two of those guys. I don't know much about Fiske, but Verse and Coleman were absolute studs at their previous schools. FSU just happened to land them

This year was different for them. They really didn't land any proven great/elite players. They took a gamble on some big names (DJ, Marvin Jones JR, Malik Benson, Roydell Williams, Earl Little JR, etc...). None of those guys were even good at their previous schools. They just came from good programs. Couple that with terrible recruiting and the results speak for themselves.

Look at Miami this year. We landed 3 elite players (Cam, Martinez, Barrow) and all three have been playing at a high level for us. One could make the argument that those 3 are our 3 best players (not including X).
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F$U got "lucky" in the sense that they did not have as much competition, but I give them full credit for identifying a number of impact players.

And let's be VERY clear about what is meant by "lucky" here.

When F$U got Jared Verse, they were not coming off a 10-win season like they were in the 2022-23 off-season. So F$U had very few victories, a recently promoted G5 head coach, and not much else besides "The Climb" to sell their school (it certainly wasn't a superior NIL program). And who knows, maybe Jared Verse had posters of Chris Rix hung in his childhood bedroom. But when F$U identified Verse (kudos), they did not have the same kind of Portal-offer competition from other schools. THAT WAS LUCKY, given their handicaps at the time.

Now, Coleman is different. F$U signed him coming off of a 10-win season (and a 6-game winning streak to close out 2022). Jordan Travis looked like he had turned the corner. I would NEVER call F$U "lucky" to get Coleman. You can understand why Coleman picked F$U.

But for MOST (not all) of the F$U Portal players who played in 2022 (10 wins) and 2023 (13 wins), F$U was lucky to have landed the guys they did, because there were not a ton of good reasons to pick F$U before November-December 2022. Except for high-quality shoulder massages.
 
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Prison Mike's "Benefits of minimal Portal competition" players:

PRE-Norvell:
Jordan Travis - NOT one of Prison Mike's transfers (Willie Taggart got Travis from Louisville) - 5th round NFL draft pick 2024

2020 (Norvell Y1):
Jarrian Jones - played four years at F$U (2020-2023) after leaving Mississippi State - 3rd round NFL draft pick 2024

2021 (Norvell Y2):
Jermaine Johnson - played one year at F$U (2021) after leaving Georgia - 1st round NFL draft pick 2022
Jammie Robinson - played two years at F$U (2021-22) after leaving South Carolina - 5th round NFL draft pick 2023

2022 (Norvell Y3):
Jared Verse - played two years at F$U (2022-23) after leaving SUNY-Albany - 1st round NFL draft pick 2024
Trey Benson - played two years at F$U (2022-23) after leaving Oregon - 3rd round NFL draft pick 2024
Johnny Wilson - played two years at F$U (2022-23) after leaving Arizona State - 6th round NFL draft pick 2024
Tatum Bethune - played two year at F$U (2022-2023) after leaving UCF - 7th round NFL draft pick 2024

2023 (Norvell Y4, coming off a 10-win season, his first winning season at F$U):
Keon Coleman - played one year at F$U (2023) after leaving Michigan State - 2nd round NFL draft pick 2024
Braden Fiske - played one year at F$U (2023) after leaving Western Michigan - 2nd round NFL draft pick 2024
Jaheim Bell - played one year at F$U (2023) after leaving South Carolina - 7th round NFL draft pick 2024

2024 (Norvell Y5, coming off an undefeated 13-1 season):
I would be willing to bet that nobody from this Portal class will be drafted, EVER
 
TheOriginalCane said:
F$U got "lucky" in the sense that they did not have as much competition, but I give them full credit for identifying a number of impact players.

And let's be VERY clear about what is meant by "lucky" here.

When F$U got Jared Verse, they were not coming off a 10-win season like they were in the 2022-23 off-season. So F$U had very few victories, a recently promoted G5 head coach, and not much else besides "The Climb" to sell their school (it certainly wasn't a superior NIL program). And who knows, maybe Jared Verse had posters of Chris Rix hung in his childhood bedroom. But when F$U identified Verse (kudos), they did not have the same kind of Portal-offer competition from other schools. THAT WAS LUCKY, given their handicaps at the time.

Now, Coleman is different. F$U signed him coming off of a 10-win season (and a 6-game winning streak to close out 2022). Jordan Travis looked like he had turned the corner. I would NEVER call F$U "lucky" to get Coleman. You can understand why Coleman picked F$U.

But for MOST (not all) of the F$U Portal players who played in 2022 (10 wins) and 2023 (13 wins), F$U was lucky to have landed the guys they did, because there were not a ton of good reasons to pick F$U before November-December 2022. Except for high-quality shoulder massages.
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I think we are splitting hairs here, because we agree on FSU's situation with landing their portal classes and also how those players performed.

I think FSU was more FORTUNATE to land those 2022 and 2023 portal transfers. I wouldn't use the word "Lucky" for that. I do think they may have been somewhat "lucky" that players such as Fiske, Benson, and a few others performed at such a high level. Benson was certainly a risk due to his injury. Fiske was a good player for Western Michigan, but not a beast like Verse. FSU taking him was equivalent to us taking Marely Cook, except Fiske worked out for them.

Majority of their proven transfers (Verse, Wilson, Coleman, Bell, Bethune, etc..) also came thru for them with solid play. Similar to our proven transfers (Matt Lee, Cohen, Cam Ward, Martinez, Barrow). We haven't been as "lucky" with some of our transfers what weren't necessiarly great players on their previous teams.

Regardless, it's difficult to haul in 3 successful portal classes in a row and have success without decent recruiting.
 
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LokiCane said:
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One of my best friends from undergrad/law school lives across the street from the family. We were talking about the Michigan decommit when we went to the Duke game together, and when it looked like Carter Smith was headed to F$U, I texted him to try to make a last-ditch effort to save the kid from Prison Mike.

I have no idea what happened, but I hope that enough rational thoughts were shared so the kid could realize what a disaster it would be to choose F$U.

And for the record (I've discussed this before), there are MASSIVE numbers of Big 10 alums and fans in SW Florida. So flipping from Michigan to Wisconsin is not so crazy here.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
F$U got "lucky" in the sense that they did not have as much competition, but I give them full credit for identifying a number of impact players.

And let's be VERY clear about what is meant by "lucky" here.

When F$U got Jared Verse, they were not coming off a 10-win season like they were in the 2022-23 off-season. So F$U had very few victories, a recently promoted G5 head coach, and not much else besides "The Climb" to sell their school (it certainly wasn't a superior NIL program). And who knows, maybe Jared Verse had posters of Chris Rix hung in his childhood bedroom. But when F$U identified Verse (kudos), they did not have the same kind of Portal-offer competition from other schools. THAT WAS LUCKY, given their handicaps at the time.

Now, Coleman is different. F$U signed him coming off of a 10-win season (and a 6-game winning streak to close out 2022). Jordan Travis looked like he had turned the corner. I would NEVER call F$U "lucky" to get Coleman. You can understand why Coleman picked F$U.

But for MOST (not all) of the F$U Portal players who played in 2022 (10 wins) and 2023 (13 wins), F$U was lucky to have landed the guys they did, because there were not a ton of good reasons to pick F$U before November-December 2022. Except for high-quality shoulder massages.
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shoeless said:
Bud Elliott will have Sperry a 4 star before you know it
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